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So they don't stop homophobia then?Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
No one is saying they are going to immediately stop homophobia though. Just as the kick it out campaign hasn't immediately stopped racism.
It helps highlight the problem though and will help reduce it just as racism as reduced massively at football in the last 25 years.
Will make it happen less frequently, won't come close to completely stopping it.
Less frequently is good isn't it?
You're always going to have racists and bigots but it will stop the casual homophobia from people who probably don't realise that it's that bad just as it did with racism in football.
1 time less is better, so yes.
The worst thing you can say about rainbow laces is you think they don't work, which is a fair enough opinion.
I fail to see what else you can have against them.
Has no bearing on my life. Pointless moaning about it.
My opinion is there is no need to make a fuss, but when people do it doesn't bother me one bit. They can crack on.
Fair enough my opinion is it does a good job of making football more inclusive and helps raise awareness of homophobia and the negatives around it.
It's made us debate it on here so if it gets people talking then it's doing its job.
Awareness is a big thing I agree.
I don't have a problem with it, I'm just trying to understand how it helps, I'm of the opinion that if we are constantly pointing out peoples differences those differences will always be in peoples minds, I know I don't need reminding of it because I really don't care what other people do, it's nothing to do with me, I'd prefer a 'Mind your own business' campaign, that could just about cover everyone and everything.
in a nut shell
I have to agree with you on your first point mate ,
your 2nd point well we needed gay clubs , because the djs were the bollocks (pardon the pun) back in the day and
a hell of a lot better than the "straight clubs"
and your point about sexuality well I think that's a personal thing
Gay bars are different to rainbow laces. We have them as there is commercial demand. It would be a wonderful world if everyone just coexists side by side but, newsflash, the world doesn't work that way. We have gay bars because seeing two men kissing in a club drives some people, not all people not a majority of people and probably less people than in years past, to violence.
I see your point, but isn’t that a bit like segregation?
Of course it's not, segregation is something that's enforced.
Not always
Can you not choose to segregate yourself from others ? ?
From dictionary.com
the act or practice of segregating; a setting apart or separation of people or things from others or from the main body or group
Gay bars don't exclude straight people. And if they did, they would follow through on their rules, i.e. enforce them.
No
But Gays go into Gay bars and " segregate " themselves from others
I know full well the reason they do, I have gay friends and I mentioned above a incident outsides Minskies, but it always struck me they " took themselves away to be with like minded people "
And Cardiff City fans segregate themselves from Swansea City fans by going to the CCS every other week instead of the Liberty, to also be with like minded people.
But the word segregation has unsavoury connotations, and that's how I took it that TH63 meant it. Maybe he didn't. I think of racial segregation or away fan segregation, where some authority says "you, go over there and stay there".
Indeed, the word often does have unsavoury connotations
I was just pointing out that it is not always " something that's enforced. ", you can choose to segregate yourself
Ah pointless semantics, the best addition to any discussion !
The reason why there are gay bars or gay friendly pubs is simple ......if two men were seen holding hands or snogging in a club or bar in st Mary street on a Saturday night it wouldn't be long before some pissed up insecure bully boy gave them grief or worse, gay bars are places where gay people feel safe
A lot of straight people seem to hate the idea of two men kissing yet go into most clubs on most Saturday nights and you will see people kissing ...it's life , just accept it or don't watch !!
In Australia back in the 90's they used to have a " red Upside down Triangle " ( base at the top ) to signify is was a " gay safe bar ", it worked well and everyobe knew where they stood
Obviously it’s not enforced segregation, but imho if a section of society needs their own bars then something is wrong with society. By retaining your own bar or club then surely you are perpetuating the idea that you are different, something to be kept separate from other people?
And I only popped in for a Toblerone....In Australia back in the 90's they used to have a " red Upside down Triangle " ( base at the top ) to signify is was a " gay safe bar ", it worked well and everyobe knew where they stood
It's not a case of "needing" own bars but "wanting" own bars. There's nothing per se wrong with that - after all, bars/clubs can be themed of music genre. What I find wrong with it is that it's acceptable to self segregate based upon professed sexuality yet it would be wrong to segregate ( self or otherwise ) based upon say skin colour or race.
With regards to your last point, it's the case of wanting to accentuate being different whilst also rightly wanting equality. With regard to that, I don't find there's much difference with a club having for example a goth night.
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