AAIB INTERIM REPORT

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

My boss is surprisingly chilled with me spending so much time chatting on here because I am in the office or in the air morning,noon & night.
As long as I put in my 1,920 hours per annum either in the office or the air he seems to be very chilled about what I do with the other 6,840hrs of the year. Based on the fact that over the last 12 months I have given my boss 3,120hrs he cuts me some 'slack'

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I have kids. I'm not falling for that old line. Put your boss on so we hear it directly from him.

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

I am guessing that the reference ( That C##t killed your Star player by his 'Wheeling,Dealing ways !! ). is where you read that as me apparently accusing of McKay being a murderer. So are you really saying that you don't think he has 'blood on his hands?'
The context of that statement is: Willie McKay organised the Sala flight, Willie McKay paid for the flight to be organised, Willie McKay isn't the type of guy to not know the finer details of anything he has a finger in, if Willie McKay honestly did leave all the finer details to Dave Henderson & Dave Henderson didn't tell Willie McKay that he was going to use a colourblind Daytime only rated PPL I would be very surprised that Willie McKay was so slapdash to allow someone to be in control of a McKay deal.

I think it would be fair to say that Willie McKay is a manipulative controlfreak, so him not knowing what was happening is a very unlikely scenario.

I might be 'slighting' Willie McKay in my distrust of the man, but his past track record is a fair marker of his ability to 'slip & slide' in most things.

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You’re an expert in aviation apparently. That doesn’t necessarily translate to being an expert on football agents (you claim to not be a football fan so that makes it even less likely perhaps)

The other thing you don’t seem to be an expert on is what might be deemed libellous that you commit to print.

My counsel - stick to facts

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Originally Posted by Duggie

The identity of the aircraft’s owner has no bearing on the crash, it’s not relevant. For example, if I loaned my car to you and someone smashed into you on the M4, the fact that I own the car is irrelevant to the cause of the crash.

The report states the maintenance history of the aircraft, which is relevant and appears to be within the legal requirements.

You need to understand that in a report of this nature, there is no room for emotion, sentiment or speculation, just facts that are provable with evidence.

No crime has been reported (that I’m aware of anyway), so what is it you think the police are investigating ? Just because we don’t know who owns the aircraft doesn’t mean anything illegal has taken place. Shell companies, for example, exist to mask things like this. Whilst they appear shady they are legal.

If the AAIB discovers evidence of a crime I’m sure it will be passed on to the police and/or other relevant authorities. Until then, there is no crime so nothing to investigate.

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The crash certainly has relevance to the owner[s] though. There is £500k worth of plane at the bottom of the ocean and sooner or later someone will put an insurance claim in. If the pilot wasn't qualified to fly the plane in those circumstances then yet another can of worms is opened. If I allow someone without a licence to drive my car and they write it off, I am not insured...

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Originally Posted by Duggie

Got it thanks. It certainly backs up what you have been saying. No way should the pilot have been flying this trip.

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So when will we finally hear from the bloke who apparently sent him to his death on this flight? Henderson? Still, not a word.
Despite what a few jacks are saying on their forum, pathetic point scoring, I think our club has handled this whole tradegy really well. We are obviously being advises by the clubs lawyers on exactly what to do. Someone has to be accountable for this terrible event.

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

You’re an expert in aviation apparently. That doesn’t necessarily translate to being an expert on football agents (you claim to not be a football fan so that makes it even less likely perhaps)

The other thing you don’t seem to be an expert on is what might be deemed libellous that you commit to print.

My counsel - stick to facts

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I am not sure I want to be known as an Aviation expert ( that encompasses those TV hungry people who want to be on every TV News story & talk utter bollocks whilst claiming to be an Aviation expert ).

What I am quite happy to be known as is an Aviation consultant :sherlock: I gather knowledge & store it for future reference, I give advice & I receive advice so I am not the 'Jack of all trades, but the Master of one'

I got to the point where I felt that it was time to 'Piss or get off the pot'
Duggie seemed to be the most sensible person who I felt I could give a snippet that would back up all I have stated on here as being 100% bona-fide.
" I pissed in the pot " & I think Duggie will agree that what I said was there really was? The snippets I gave him answered all the questionability about whether the pilot should have been flying at night, whether the pilot should have been flying a fare paid passenger & whether the pilot had the ratings to be flying in those conditions.

I don't claim to being an expert on football agents, I wouldn't really want to have 'that string to my bow'
I do know that my boss has seen the work of football agents & other unscrupulous bastards within the football industry as they were the very reason he didn't want to be in that industry.

From what I am told there is a glut of deception & corruption within the bigger clubs, my boss opined it was bad in the 80's & 90's but must be diabolical now?
In his days of accompanying his father to home games he was shocked that his father's parking space in the stadium was given to someone as much an undesirable as Willie McKay.

There was also an 'unwritten rule' that he could park his own car on the road outside the stadium on matchdays, this 'unwritten rule' was retracted/denied when a Ticket Tout decided that he needed his car on the road outside the stadium so he had a 'safehouse to keep his spiv tickets' For clarity, his father would be at the Stadium from the morning of a matchday, he & his mates would arrive about 90mins before kick off so there were usually 2 vehicles parked at the stadium or thereabouts ( both cars would be known as they had personalised Club numberplates)

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

I am not sure I want to be known as an Aviation expert ( that encompasses those TV hungry people who want to be on every TV News story & talk utter bollocks whilst claiming to be an Aviation expert ).

What I am quite happy to be known as is an Aviation consultant :sherlock: I gather knowledge & store it for future reference, I give advice & I receive advice so I am not the 'Jack of all trades, but the Master of one'

I got to the point where I felt that it was time to 'Piss or get off the pot'
Duggie seemed to be the most sensible person who I felt I could give a snippet that would back up all I have stated on here as being 100% bona-fide.
" I pissed in the pot " & I think Duggie will agree that what I said was there really was? The snippets I gave him answered all the questionability about whether the pilot should have been flying at night, whether the pilot should have been flying a fare paid passenger & whether the pilot had the ratings to be flying in those conditions.

I don't claim to being an expert on football agents, I wouldn't really want to have 'that string to my bow'
I do know that my boss has seen the work of football agents & other unscrupulous bastards within the football industry as they were the very reason he didn't want to be in that industry.

From what I am told there is a glut of deception & corruption within the bigger clubs, my boss opined it was bad in the 80's & 90's but must be diabolical now?
In his days of accompanying his father to home games he was shocked that his father's parking space in the stadium was given to someone as much an undesirable as Willie McKay.

There was also an 'unwritten rule' that he could park his own car on the road outside the stadium on matchdays, this 'unwritten rule' was retracted/denied when a Ticket Tout decided that he needed his car on the road outside the stadium so he had a 'safehouse to keep his spiv tickets' For clarity, his father would be at the Stadium from the morning of a matchday, he & his mates would arrive about 90mins before kick off so there were usually 2 vehicles parked at the stadium or thereabouts ( both cars would be known as they had personalised Club numberplates)

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What the hell are you on about?🤪. That is one crazy mixed up post. Have you read what you’ve written about McKay?

As for Duggie - he/she could be you for all I know. You don’t seem to care about who you accuse of crimes so why not post everything you apparently PM’d on here for all to see. As for your boss... he sounds a complete tosser.

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Originally Posted by goats

So when will we finally hear from the bloke who apparently sent him to his death on this flight? Henderson? Still, not a word.
Despite what a few jacks are saying on their forum, pathetic point scoring, I think our club has handled this whole tradegy really well. We are obviously being advises by the clubs lawyers on exactly what to do. Someone has to be accountable for this terrible event.

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This is only my personal opinion ( caveat to cover me not falling foul of 'StraightouttaCanton's counsel ),
I would imagine Dave Henderson is lying low.:sherlock:
I would imagine that Dave Henderson has been told to lie low.:frown:
I would imagine that if Dave Henderson doesn't lie low, he will be forced to.

I am sure that CCFC are acting under legal advice by highly paid lawyers etc, I would imagine that these lawyers are giving the newspapers some shit over the crap they print in the hope of selling more papers ( Today's newspaper is tomorrow's Chip wrapper ), however I am sure they will be looking closely at the legalities of the actual flight & other important aspects of the Sala transfer.

One thing for sure is Someone has to be accountable for this terrible event. Where the buck stops is anyone's guess.

The known facts about the licence of the pilot not allowing him to conduct a flight at night & the known fact that it was only a PPL aren't going to bode well & will probably nullify the aircraft insurance so the beneficial aircraft owner will be looking for 'a pound of flesh' for the aircraft value which is probably £250k.

I can foresee the fallout that this tragedy will have on the Ibbotson family & whilst Dave Ibbotson broke the law I feel he was coerced into it by the organisers, so I really hope they are jointly held accountable for this tragedy.
I think the Ibbotson family have suffered enough now, that is not a 'U Turn' from me, it is just a statement of compassion.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

The crash certainly has relevance to the owner[s] though. There is £500k worth of plane at the bottom of the ocean and sooner or later someone will put an insurance claim in. If the pilot wasn't qualified to fly the plane in those circumstances then yet another can of worms is opened. If I allow someone without a licence to drive my car and they write it off, I am not insured...

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Whilst you are right in what you say, from the perspective of the AAIB, the fact that Mr. Bloggs owned the plane didn’t contribute to the crash. This is all they will focus on. Once all the facts (that can be established) are known, I’m sure that authorities will take action where they deem appropriate.

Ibbotson was not qualified to fly at night according to the endorsement on his licence, therefore he should not have been flying that plane. I think everyone agrees on this.

I read in a news report (so not yet verified as far as I’m concerned) that another pilot was due to fly the plane, possibly with Ibbotson alongside him, but he dropped out at the last minute. Maybe Ibbotson felt put under pressure to fly the plane by himself, I’m just speculating there of course, but it’s a scenario I can imaging happening.

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

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As for Duggie - he/she could be you for all I know. You don’t seem to care about who you accuse of crimes so why not post everything you apparently PM’d on here for all to see. As for your boss... he sounds a complete tosser.

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I can confirm that I am a 40-something y/o man who is not Flyer46. I have worked within the aviation industry for a number of years and also served in the RAF (long time ago) hence my views on how the AAIB present their reports (basically I have read quite a few reports over the years and seen their reports on accidents I had knowledge of). I am, however, not an expert in any of these things, I just express my views on how I see things.

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Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton

What the hell are you on about?��. That is one crazy mixed up post. Have you read what you’ve written about McKay?

As for Duggie - he/she could be you for all I know. You don’t seem to care about who you accuse of crimes so why not post everything you apparently PM’d on here for all to see. As for your boss... he sounds a complete tosser.

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I would assume any educated person to be intelligent enough to realise that if I wrote something I had read it also :music:

Now, this is getting to be a bit daft where anyone who doesn't seem to be normal is 'called out'...... So now I am Wales-Bales, Duggie, Baker, Uncle Tom Cobley, a 12yr old schoolkid & who I actually am
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Maybe I will be accused of being Willie McKay next or could I actually be Dave Henderson just keeping tabs on all of you lot?

Duggie will be impressed that I have morphed into him now :facepalm:
I pm'd a few things to Duggie because he seems to be a 'wise old owl' & to be honest I was getting just a bit tired of being accused of speculating when I had hard facts to back up my statements so he was the recipient to get given privy information just so he could state I wasn't 'cuckoo'

Now, you are 'calling out' my boss as a complete tosser :yikes: I have stated that he has no real interest in football, but even with that statement I am sure his family has put more into football than you have & most likely he has still put more into football than you ever could & he hates the game.

I will ask him if He will throw down a gauntlet to you where you can pick a Stadium & the pair of you can see who gets the better treatment by the Stadium staff? Chances are he will get recognised instantly & the staff will ask you " Who the f#ck are you "
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Shall we make it more interesting where both of you can request a meet up with Warnock & see who gets the meet & who gets told to " F#ck off "

My boss's identity will remain hidden until you decide on what to do now the glove is in the dust :wave:

If McKay gets his 'open meeting' with the CCFC hierachy where the pap's get to cover the 'showdown' you can be sure my boss will be there to watch the hoedown.
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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

The crash certainly has relevance to the owner[s] though. There is £500k worth of plane at the bottom of the ocean and sooner or later someone will put an insurance claim in. If the pilot wasn't qualified to fly the plane in those circumstances then yet another can of worms is opened. If I allow someone without a licence to drive my car and they write it off, I am not insured...

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That Malibu when in good condition was possibly worth about £250k... my opinion having seen the actual aircraft a few months before the accident would have been the owners would have struggled to get £175k for it.
It was a 'tired looking aircraft'

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

I would assume any educated person to be intelligent enough to realise that if I wrote something I had read it also :music:

Now, this is getting to be a bit daft where anyone who doesn't seem to be normal is 'called out'...... So now I am Wales-Bales, Duggie, Baker, Uncle Tom Cobley, a 12yr old schoolkid & who I actually am
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Maybe I will be accused of being Willie McKay next or could I actually be Dave Henderson just keeping tabs on all of you lot?

Duggie will be impressed that I have morphed into him now :facepalm:
I pm'd a few things to Duggie because he seems to be a 'wise old owl' & to be honest I was getting just a bit tired of being accused of speculating when I had hard facts to back up my statements so he was the recipient to get given privy information just so he could state I wasn't 'cuckoo'

Now, you are 'calling out' my boss as a complete tosser :yikes: I have stated that he has no real interest in football, but even with that statement I am sure his family has put more into football than you have & most likely he has still put more into football than you ever could & he hates the game.

I will ask him if He will throw down a gauntlet to you where you can pick a Stadium & the pair of you can see who gets the better treatment by the Stadium staff? Chances are he will get recognised instantly & the staff will ask you " Who the f#ck are you "
or
Shall we make it more interesting where both of you can request a meet up with Warnock & see who gets the meet & who gets told to " F#ck off "

My boss's identity will remain hidden until you decide on what to do now the glove is in the dust :wave:

If McKay gets his 'open meeting' with the CCFC hierachy where the pap's get to cover the 'showdown' you can be sure my boss will be there to watch the hoedown.
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Originally Posted by Flyer46

My boss is surprisingly chilled with me spending so much time chatting on here because I am in the office or in the air morning,noon & night.
As long as I put in my 1,920 hours per annum either in the office or the air he seems to be very chilled about what I do with the other 6,840hrs of the year. Based on the fact that over the last 12 months I have given my boss 3,120hrs he cuts me some 'slack'

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3120 hrs ? How much “in the air” ? That’s a very interesting Flight time limitation scheme you work to...................:sherlock:..

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

3120 hrs ? How much “in the air” ? That’s a very interesting Flight time limitation scheme you work to...................:sherlock:..

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Flyer will be pleased he’s got another pilot to chat to.

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

The PA46 Malibu range nearly all have FIKI ( Flight Into Known Icing ) capabilities. I believe N264DB had de-icing boots on the leading edges of the wings & leading edge of tailplane & also the leading edges of the elevator ( highlighted in yellow boxes )
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These are hydraulically inflated to break off Ice build on these surfaces ( if they have a pin hole or leak, they fail to work )

It is not known (by me) if they were serviceable on N264DB or whether the pilot understood the procedure to use them correctly

The engine in the PA46 Malibu is a fuel injected engine so carb icing isn't an issue.

My assumptions on the erratic decrease, increase, decrease in altitude are one of two scenarios:
(1) The pitot head froze up & instruments failed to function correctly, thereby the pilot chasing the needles was fighting to keep what he thought was level flight
(2) He got Spatially disorientated & just simply lost control & was pulling & pushing at the controls trying to regain level flight.

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Hydraulically inflated de icing boots ?

If as you are claiming that you are a PA46 pilot you may want to brush up on your systems knowledge and avoid Flying in icing conditions for the time being :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

Hydraulically operated de icing boots ?

If as you are claiming that you are a PA46 pilot you may want to brush up on your systems knowledge and avoid Flying in icing conditions for the time being :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

3120 hrs ? How much “in the air” ? That’s a very interesting Flight time limitation scheme you work to...................:sherlock:..

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RTFM :facepalm: What part of "As long as I put in my 1,920 hours per annum either in the office or the air " didn't you understand?

40hrs per week = 1920hrs over 48weeks
The 40hr week can be made up of office hours or flying hours or sitting on my rear waiting for whatever :popcorn:

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

Hydraulically inflated de icing boots ?

If as you are claiming that you are a PA46 pilot you may want to brush up on your systems knowledge and avoid Flying in icing conditions for the time being :thumbup:

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I don't need to brush up on my systems knowledge and avoid Flying in icing conditions for the time being, I am fully aware that I should have said pneumatic, when doing quite a few things at the same time I am not infallible & posting on here is in spare moments when I am not exactly focusing on this board but a 'calling out' appears & I answer 'half cocked' because there are so many naysayers on this messageboard.

I know the PA46 Systems well, if the deceased pilot knew them he would probably still be alive today..... I do know that the deceased pilot hadn't even looked at the POH so I guess that is testament to RTFM being a good way to stay alive.

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Flyer will be pleased he’s got another pilot to chat to.

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I would rather be exchanging messages with Dave Ibbotson than with SHB ( who seems to be ' late to the party ' on anything )

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

RTFM :facepalm: What part of "As long as I put in my 1,920 hours per annum either in the office or the air " didn't you understand?

40hrs per week = 1920hrs over 48weeks
The 40hr week can be made up of office hours or flying hours or sitting on my rear waiting for whatever :popcorn:

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And i asked the question what FTL scheme if any do,you operate to ?.

Also what register is the PA46 you allege to operate on ? and under what category ?
Private or Public transport ?
Curious also to know what licence you hold ?

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

I don't need to brush up on my systems knowledge and avoid Flying in icing conditions for the time being, I am fully aware that I should have said pneumatic, when doing quite a few things at the same time I am not infallible & posting on here is in spare moments when I am not exactly focusing on this board but a 'calling out' appears & I answer 'half cocked' because there are so many naysayers on this messageboard.

I know the PA46 Systems well, if the deceased pilot knew them he would probably still be alive today..... I do know that the deceased pilot hadn't even looked at the POH so I guess that is testament to RTFM being a good way to stay alive.

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You should have said pneumatic but didn’t despite going on say that they don’t work if they have a “Pin Hole” or a leak.

I guess google is a close friend of yours ......:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

You should have said pneumatic but didn’t despite going on say that they don’t work if they have a “Pin Hole” or a leak.

I guess google is a close friend of yours ......:thumbup:

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Good work....

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

And i asked the question what FTL scheme if any do,you operate to ?.

Also what register is the PA46 you allege to operate on ? and under what category ?
Private or Public transport ?
Curious also to know what licence you hold ?

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We operate our PA46 in full compliance to CAP1267 & 1268 with special attention to FTL 205(a)
We operate our PA46 in the Public Transport category
I operate our PA46 on a CPL/IR

Now, I have answered your questions, I am equally curious to know what licence you hold & what your day to day hack is ?

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

You should have said pneumatic but didn’t despite going on say that they don’t work if they have a “Pin Hole” or a leak.

I guess google is a close friend of yours ......:thumbup:

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I am now bored of the 'nitpicking' & brownie point scoring so I will await your reply to what you fly & on what licence to determine whether there is any point in conversing with you? I find people like Wales-Bales more interesting than you ( but then I would seeing as I am allegedly him )

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

We operate our PA46 in full compliance to CAP1267 & 1268 with special attention to FTL 205(a)
We operate our PA46 in the Public Transport category
I operate our PA46 on a CPL/IR

Now, I have answered your questions, I am equally curious to know what licence you hold & what your day to day hack is ?

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That’s interesting is it the turbine model ? And I take it you fly it single crew ?

EASA ATPL HOLDER , Current Airbus A320 Captain FYI

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

That’s interesting is it the turbine model ? And I take it you fly it single crew ?

EASA ATPL HOLDER , Current Airbus A320 Captain FYI

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Currently 500TP & it is sometimes single crew & sometimes multi crew.
Possibly looking to upgrade to the M600 or PC12NG in a year or so.

Not quite in the Airbus league, so hats are doffed to you :wave:

This is not good news ( never is a death good news ) for the Ibbotson family, I genuinely hope that the body does get located as the family do deserve closure. This is probably the most devastating news to the family as the search now will be a 'needle in a haystack'

Personally I hope the wreckage is now retrieved as it must hold some clues & god forbid the pilots body is trapped under the aircraft on the seabed.

Supposition is IMHO that it spun into the sea but I will stress that is non proven & only an opinion based on data seen.

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

We operate our PA46 in full compliance to CAP1267 & 1268 with special attention to FTL 205(a)
We operate our PA46 in the Public Transport category
I operate our PA46 on a CPL/IR

Now, I have answered your questions, I am equally curious to know what licence you hold & what your day to day hack is ?

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Without wanting to nitpick but CAP 1267 & 1268 are just CAA publications which refer to the introduction of EASA ORO.FTL.100 legislation from Feb 2016.

If as say you do you fly this aircraft single crew or multi crew on an AOC where the largest aircraft has less than 19 seats then I seem to remember you are exempt from this legislation.

You may want to tell your boss :thumbup:

Also FTL 205(a) doesn’t apply to single crew ops , as you are still under UK CAA CAP 371 rules.

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Originally Posted by Sky High Bluebird

Without wanting to nitpick but CAP 1267 & 1268 are just CAA publications which refer to the introduction of EASA ORO.FTL.100 legislation from Feb 2016.

If as say you do you fly this aircraft single crew or multi crew on an AOC where the largest aircraft has less than 19 seats then I seem to remember you are exempt from this legislation.

You may want to tell your boss :thumbup:

Also FTL 205(a) doesn’t apply to single crew ops , as you are still under UK CAA CAP 371 rules.

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Complying to something that isn't mandatory is a safety net we use, so whilst I don't see your message as nitpicking I don't feel it is productive for me/us to continue discussing aviation procedures or protocol because the footie fans are getting a tad peeved by incessant posting of aviation stuff because it falls into non footie stuff as far as they are concerned.

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

Complying to something that isn't mandatory is a safety net we use, so whilst I don't see your message as nitpicking I don't feel it is productive for me/us to continue discussing aviation procedures or protocol because the footie fans are getting a tad peeved by incessant posting of aviation stuff because it falls into non footie stuff as far as they are concerned.

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I've never noticed anybody getting peeved by SHB's posts on here tbh.

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

Complying to something that isn't mandatory is a safety net we use, so whilst I don't see your message as nitpicking I don't feel it is productive for me/us to continue discussing aviation procedures or protocol because the footie fans are getting a tad peeved by incessant posting of aviation stuff because it falls into non footie stuff as far as they are concerned.

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No do please carry on. Sky High Bluebird has been providing our aviation feedback on both of the recent tragedies relating to football & aviation. He's certainly not late to the party and has commented on the Sala tragedy from the first day.

Speaking on behalf of footie fans any diversion from the last couple of performances is welcome.

Fill your boots.

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

Complying to something that isn't mandatory is a safety net we use, so whilst I don't see your message as nitpicking I don't feel it is productive for me/us to continue discussing aviation procedures or protocol because the footie fans are getting a tad peeved by incessant posting of aviation stuff because it falls into non footie stuff as far as they are concerned.

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I find that hard to believe given the ridiculous costs involved.

I think given your “knowledge” on all things aviation it’s best you stick to football .......:ayatollah:

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Originally Posted by Baloo

I've never noticed anybody getting peeved by SHB's posts on here tbh.

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Me neither. SHB has always provided good educational and balanced insight.

Regarding the other cretin, who in their right mind would be prepared to accuse people of killing other people on a football message board ffs?

Flyer46. I have stated all along that I have valued your posts relating to aspects of the flight but I must admit that some of your allegations relating in particular to the agent have been potentially off the mark for the present at least and I suggest you quit making comments that could get you into trouble later on. However, since the AAIB report was published, your posts have become increasingly bizarre. Normally you should not get into an argument with people who disagree with you as it's simply not worth it as one minor disagreement can mushroom into something much bigger. But when you start calling people uneducated and moronic and then bigging yourself and your infamous boss up, coupled with the fact you have replied to so many comments, only encourages people to goad you even more. Just stick to aviation matters would be my advice. And if you are who you say you are this shouldn't be too difficult.

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Flyer46. I have stated all along that I have valued your posts relating to aspects of the flight but I must admit that some of your allegations relating in particular to the agent have been potentially off the mark for the present at least and I suggest you quit making comments that could get you into trouble later on. However, since the AAIB report was published, your posts have become increasingly bizarre. Normally you should not get into an argument with people who disagree with you as it's simply not worth it as one minor disagreement can mushroom into something much bigger. But when you start calling people uneducated and moronic and then bigging yourself and your infamous boss up, coupled with the fact you have replied to so many comments, only encourages people to goad you even more. Just stick to aviation matters would be my advice. And if you are who you say you are this shouldn't be too difficult.

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Vindec, Duly noted & your advice makes perfect sense :facepalm: I am who I say I am and my boss is exactly what I say he is. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

Complying to something that isn't mandatory is a safety net we use, so whilst I don't see your message as nitpicking I don't feel it is productive for me/us to continue discussing aviation procedures or protocol because the footie fans are getting a tad peeved by incessant posting of aviation stuff because it falls into non footie stuff as far as they are concerned.

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The hole is getting bigger and bigger, post by post. You came on here disparaging others with less intelligence than you and with an inferior education to you - and then tried to dismiss someone, a regular on here with considerable gravitas, before learning than he who knows more about aviation than you do.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The hole is getting bigger and bigger, post by post. You came on here disparaging others with less intelligence than you and with an inferior education to you - and then tried to dismiss someone, a regular on here with considerable gravitas, before learning than he who knows more about aviation than you do.

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Did I not say to SHB " I doff my hat to you? "

The trouble with having posters with 'monikers' is you just don't know who you are actually chatting to?

There are probably quite a lot of regulars on here with considerable gravitas, you really don't know who or what the next person is?

For all you know one of the 'monikers' could be John Hartson or even Neil Warnock so I have learnt today that it is wiser to see the cut of the person before 'cutting them down'

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

Did I not say to SHB " I doff my hat to you? "

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Prior to your comment above you replied to SHB as follows: "I find people like Wales-Bales more interesting than you ( but then I would seeing as I am allegedly him )"

Well, guess what, SHB's posts have always been interesting (and still are) but you tried your patronising attitude yet again and came very much unstuck! Only afterwards did you adjust your position. Fool yourself by all means.

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Originally Posted by Flyer46

Did I not say to SHB " I doff my hat to you? "

The trouble with having posters with 'monikers' is you just don't know who you are actually chatting to?

There are probably quite a lot of regulars on here with considerable gravitas, you really don't know who or what the next person is?

For all you know one of the 'monikers' could be John Hartson or even Neil Warnock so I have learnt today that it is wiser to see the cut of the person before 'cutting them down'

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I've stayed out of this and let you all get on with it but am I right in thinking that you are slamming people who use 'monikers' when you use a 'moniker' yourself.

Seems a lot of your credibility has been lost, and it's everyone else's fault

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Prior to your comment above you replied to SHB as follows: "I find people like Wales-Bales more interesting than you ( but then I would seeing as I am allegedly him )"

Well, guess what, SHB's posts have always been interesting (and still are) but you tried your patronising attitude yet again and came very much unstuck! Only afterwards did you adjust your position. Fool yourself by all means.

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I did indeed say "I find people like Wales-Bales more interesting than you ( but then I would seeing as I am allegedly him )" & at the point of posting that I did think Wales-Bales was a more interesting type of person. Everyone can with a bit of insight be enlightened.
I still think Wales-Bales is a quite interesting character, but I am aware some of you have differing opinions on him ( everyone to their own eh ! )

Knowing what a 'Blue Genie' is, I am guessing you might be a quite interesting character as well, well it depends on whether you are the Sexual predilections type of ' Blue Genie ' who goes for Sordid personal experiences or the pill popping type of ' Blue Genie ' ?