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The point isQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Linda Thorne is shouting at figures that are way out in giving you the public the actual number of people sleeping on the streets
The problem is far more severe than the city council want you to believe
The last few weeks they have been putting up rough sleepers to get them off the streets and massage the figures and keep the tourists to winter wonderland happy
Give it the new year they will be back on the streets
Can only really go off the info you post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You said you didn't work, you were a full time carer.
Personally I would have worked in the hours I had spare from caring, not watching football and fishing but I suppose we are all different.
I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to know your mother had passed, sorry to hear that.
You couldn't kick my arse, you wear t-shirts over your jumpers, I've seen the footage ;)
Not everyone that doesn't follow your view is ignorant btw.
If it's ok for people to give away their spare money at Xmas instead of spending so lavishly, same really as using your spare time to work if we swap the values of time and money in the situation..
I'll play devils advocate here and suggest Shelter, The Wallich illustrate the 'numbers' to garner public support and funding?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Shelter was established in 1966, their aim to stop homelessness. Not doing great are they?
Not sure if it's still the case but pre pandemic Cardiff had enough capacity in temporary accommodation that no individual needed to sleep rough. Covid meant every authority had to find accommodation for everyone and priority need was binned off.
The truth is Cardiff City Council would love to end homelessness in the city centre area as they feel the population of rough sleepers contribute to ASB and crime etc.
The sad fact is they do, councils are then given a choice to either engage them into services or criminalise them. In reality Cardiff City Council in the recent past have done both, like most Welsh authorities. The homelessness issue is a complex one, far too to look at it as simply as it appears you do.
I'm no fuucking Tory.
Well you sound like oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Shelter don't build houses that's up to governments
Or sell council houses if they are tory ones
Shelter are a pressure group and that's it
You sound like you have swallowed the Welsh govt and cardiff councils publicity leaflets
Cardiff Council have been a knife in the back of the city's housing charities for many years . I worked for several in the 1990s and it never changes .
Shelter Cymru heavily influenced the Housing Act (Wales) 2014 Act and have done since including this month's Renting Homes Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Temporary accommodation rightly is strict on alcohol and drugs. Last thing people looking for a safe roof over their head is to have someone off their head around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Just seen him outside Aldi. I didn’t give him anything. I must be a Tory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
The problem is temp accommodation is by its nature not the solutionQuote:
Originally Posted by logic
Yes that's what a campaigning and pressure group doesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
But they can't rebuild the millions of homes lost to the tories selling them
Comprende?
So Right to Buy was The Senedd and Cardiff City Councils fault? Not the Tories?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Right I got that.
Entirely agree with you on your sentiment regarding Right to Buy but you’re jumping around from one issue to another.
The only answer is more social housing. Without it rapid rehousing programmes will never get off the ground for multi complex needs individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
No the right to buy was the fault of the Tories....who gave huge reductions with taxpayers money to bribe people to buy council housesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
The houses sold were not replaced by successive tory governments
Clearly the fault of the Tories
The implementation of local authority housing policy whilst dependent on central government funding .....was carried out by City councils and local Borough councils ....in Cardiff , Bridgend etc
So they were are responsible for implementing policy on a local level
I can't be any clearer than that and I don't know why you are confused
But that's by the by
Get your feckin money out
I totally agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
We need a huge social housing building programme in the UK
But even on this thread we have people who are prepared to blanket people with , for example , substance problems and think only the really deserving should get any help
Get your money out
A long thread, so i've had to scan through, but homelessness is something that I've always thought of as there by the grace of god (as a saying of course, i'm not religious).
Sludge, in my opinion is spot on. All he's saying is to give a little bit of what you'd spend on christmas, to a cause like this.
I find it a sad indictment of society for every single person that doesn't understand this.
I may be the only one, but reading this it didn't sit right that rather than concentrating on the disgusting crime someone you essentially grew up with committed, you were more concerned with what you had given to them (that you no longer wanted anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I don't know if this is a reflection of the tory government we've lived under for so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Do you understand what a 'full time carer' means?
My dad years ago, passed, after suffering with dementia, and I understand.
I truly hope that you don't ever have to decide what do with the hours you have 'spare from caring'.
Well of course there are people who society has tried to help time and again and that can involve addiction but that's an easy brush to paint sufferers withQuote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
If one can generalise homelessness can come from job loss , relationship breakdown , financial problems , sexual abuse , forced marriage , racism , mental illness etc
It really is not just the druggies
He just hasn't been in that position and doesn't understand , I forgive himQuote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
As you know during the latter stages of dementia type illnesses the strain is absolutely immense
Whilst looking after any family member with needs is incredibly hard and it's certainly not a competition the desperate state people with dementia get into is a horror show
When my parents were ill we couldn't get them into a home as they had capacity to say no ......when they totally lost everything there were no places for them .....even millionaires couldn't buy a room in care homes
I was so knackered from sometimes being up 24 hours dealing with falls , numerous trips to the toilet , other visits to the toilet that ended on the carpet , shopping , cooking , repeat , repeat ......that when the council provided us with carers three mornings a week I would rest in bed
If I had the energy to go fishing or follow city around the country I would have done so !
You're speaking to someone who cares for a family member, works full time, and looks after his own kid :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
Why does sludge get away with these threads when plenty of others getnpuled on for being bullies and ruining the board etc?
I've been away for a while for my own reasons, but nothing has changed.
Look at the start of the thread. You can see who changed the tone, yet nothing gets done about him.
Someone will be along soon to say how awful it is that sludge gets picked on.
No wonder the board is how it is, when you've got him with free reign to act how he wants and abuse people freely. It's ok tho cos he's been here 25 years posting shit.
It seems it’s ok for him to go around calling anyone who disagrees with his communist ideology twats and ****s.
He’s even abusing a moderator but he gets away with it time and time again. He’s obviously got something on Mike.
And yet people wonder why the numbers are down on this forum.
Shove it.
Good grief. If that’s what you took from it then go back to school you utter moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
I've spent months away, can't be me.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I suspect you don't live on here day in day out, many will get blamed but there is just one constant in all of it.
But he gets free reign.
You reap what you sow.
Jumping around again butt.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
We all know RTB was a disaster but it was a calculated one as the dead old hag was hoping to change the UKs political landscape.
Back to the point, Cardiff Council or any homelessness team in Wales are hampered by a lack of investment, same as Social Services, health, mental health, substance misuse, probation, emergency services I could go on.
The bloke you see on the street who suffers with his mental health perhaps needs all the services available to progress? The same bloke who could be given a property but fail to maintain it because there's a 3 year wait for counselling services or a 2 year wait for mental health?
I may be wrong in my assumption here but how is a local authority 'knifing homelessness charities in the back'?
Talking about the charities, they do very well out of local authorities gaining contracts for homelessness services in relation to support, accommodation, housing first schemes etc. Still statistics show a rise in rough sleeping. They're at least culpable and not blameless in this, what they doing butt?
Still on that Cardiff Councils rough sleeping figures are collected by their rough sleeping intervention team contracted out (if I remember rightly) to a major Welsh homelessness charity. They must be lying about the figures to suit the council?
Here's a thought, instead of the Senedd throwing money at third sector organisations and charities, who in reality run off with their own agendas whilst loosely keeping to the strategic script, why not keep the money 'in house' develop homelessness services which are better coordinated and can be implemented quickly due to the reduced need of holding meetings with various organisations, whilst the charities pay their CEOs, directors decent sums of coin for attending conferences and whining about the sector conditions that they have contributed to.
Let's take all services back.
Sounds quite socialist that doesn't it?
Now whose the Tory handsome?
It's not the 90s Sludgey anymore butt. Take off your Barker Baggies and mixer shirt. You no longer need to listen to Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine or eat Bird's-eye crispy pancakes for tea.
Travel with us butt, we're here for you.
Merry Winterval.
Wow. I won't point out the irony in posting that straight after literally the comment before "it seems ok for him to go around calling anyone who disagrees with his communist ideology twats and ****s".Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
While I think it's rude to point to someone's intellect just because they challenge something you say, it's precisely my schooling that allowed me to read what you posted and suggest a personality trait that perhaps you hadn't intended to share. Rather than going straight to abuse you could reflect on it.
Well if you do you would realise what an incredibly hard job it is and you would try and claim that after caring all day and night for a loved one you would go out enjoying yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Because full time carers ......which isn't you as you work so you get a break from the stress .....simply don't chill out and do what people who don't care do .....they are too exhausted
Looking after a child is not caring . It's parenting . If you child had a chronic illness or disability , that's caring
Why did you spend months awayQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
The last time you were here you were joining every other thread to argue with people and doing an impression of a troll you suggest I am
What's it to be?
The tone of the thread was changed by your valleys buddy who used the MO you have used in the pastQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Suggesting I and others are benefit scroungers
It's complete bollocks
This is or was a thread about homelessness but you after several months away are back here doing the same thing
You keep crying wolf
Valley RamsQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Christ I don't know where to startQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
You think that the homeless charities do WELL out of funding from the council ?
Are you taking the piss ? The council fund the voluntary sector because they know they deal with people that very often won't deal with the council or are simply not a priority
It's not a village fete out there and money isn't thrown around like confetti
The City Council every Xmas put money into getting people off the streets . It's done to make the city look good . Because if they were serious about it they would it into the new year when the weather is often worse .
The City Council funds voluntary sector agencies because it means they can control them . A lot of housing problems in Cardiff are down to evictions from Council Properties and people used to be directed to the housing help centre on St Mary Street which was run .....by Cardiff Council
I think you are living in a bit of a utopia and you are definitely barking up the wrong tree if you think voluntary sector organisations are the problem . It's central government , funding and the implementation of housing policy on a local level .
If you do think that specific housing charities in Cardiff are on a jolly then share it with me via pm
Adios
Ha ha I've got far too many!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I didn't say every carer was a lazy B, I said I have a mate who moved back in with his Mum for free board and lodge and to stop working, claims carers allowance although she's just a bit old and can't walk to the shops as easily as she used too. His job is now shopping for them both and some dusting, and yes he's always been a lazy B. Maybe not compared to you, I couldn't be sure but he is compared to me, I suppose it's all relevant?
PS I cared for my Mum, moved her in here, didn't claim a penny, and me, and the Mrs both still worked as well as caring for her last two years, it's what you are supposed to do.
That's a good point, it's easy for someone not working or paying taxes to say give more, surely it would be better for them to get a job, work, and pay more so it's a better society rather than demanding more money from people who are paying their dues?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Magic money tree again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
It's so easy to deal with all of these problems, just spend more money, it's free............................
Get with the program, we've just had a one-in-a-hundred-year event, the pandemic, and there is not enough money to fund the NHS let alone build a shed load of houses.
It's because he's thick and talks nonsense, then realises it himself and then just loses his temper and calls people childish names. He's slipped up a few times, he's very jealous and says, them in their big houses why can't I have that?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
We've been sold this lie for decades. There's so many flaws in this. Biggest one is......if it worked....it would be working and we'd already have a better society. Except we don't do we? We make other people rich by working for other people and are supposed to be grateful for the scraps whilst the suits sniff coke and drink Bollinger and tell us what to spend our money on. Stop peddling this Tory, failed, capitalist rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Do you even get the irony in this post? Just so I can make it easier, I've highlighted the inconsistencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
F*ck me. It's Christmas. May I suggest some light Dickensian reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I dont need to reflect on anything, my conscience is clear and your analysis of what I wrote couldnt be further from the truth. I couldnt give two shits about the old bits I gave him, they were going to the dump anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
My point was, had I not helped in some small part this piece of shit get back on his feet 20 years ago, who knows, maybe he would not have fathered a now 18 year old daughter and she in turn wouldnt be having a sleepover at his house where one of her friends got raped by this monster.
To suggest I care more about an old TV and sofa than the young girl who was raped, when I have an 18 year old daughter myself, is quite frankly absurd and offensive.
Furthermore, I did not "Grow up" with him, hes someone I knew since teenage years whilst playing junior football and he played for another team.
Just dropped off at the Gurnos foodbank and I have to say a very humbling experience.
Utter bollocks. It changed when you started calling anyone who disagreed with you a Tory. Soppy ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY