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19-09-23, 14:28
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Rjk

as for using fuel, you'll remember from your GCSE physics that energy is proportional to the square of velocity, so even if the journey is taking longer it will use more energy to do it more quickly.

If a car had one gear you might have a point, but it doesn't, so it's nonsense.

For example - suppose I drive for 5 miles at a constant 30mph. One day I drive the whole 5 miles in 4th gear, the next I drive it in 1st. According to your comment, I'd use the same amount of fuel both times.

Cars use gears. The energy used by the engine results in revs per second. 2000 revs per second uses the same amount of fuel regardless of gear.
19-09-23, 14:31
Rjk

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

If a car had one gear you might have a point, but it doesn't, so it's nonsense.

For example - suppose I drive for 5 miles at a constant 30mph. One day I drive the whole 5 miles in 4th gear, the next I drive it in 1st. According to your comment, I'd use the same amount of fuel both times.

Cars use gears. The energy used by the engine results in revs per second. 2000 revs per second uses the same amount of fuel regardless of gear.

pretty much all cars can manage to do 20mph in 3rd or 4th gear though, no need to drop to 2nd
19-09-23, 14:51
goats

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by life on mars

168,324 petiton signatures and counting ............

It matters not, we live in a dictatorship, they don’t need to listen.
19-09-23, 14:52
Dave Blue

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I've just read the actual petition, and it has to be the most poorly written load of nonsense I've ever seen on there, it reads like something from the Wales online comments section, with random BLOCK CAPITALS and somehow stating that this is the end of socialism in Wales.
I'm actually embarrassed for anyone associated with this.

There will be a backlash against these squealers soon. Far more important things to get in a lather about but they can barely squeak about them. Pathetic.
19-09-23, 14:52
goats

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Rjk

pretty much all cars can manage to do 20mph in 3rd or 4th gear though, no need to drop to 2nd

20 in 4th? No chance…..you like talking nonsense right?
19-09-23, 14:53
Dave Blue

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by goats

It matters not, we live in a dictatorship, they don’t need to listen.

The audacity of the Welsh, especially Labour Welsh, to make decisions about their own country that ‘they’ can’t stop. Shocking.
19-09-23, 14:55
Rjk

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by goats

20 in 4th? No chance…..you like talking nonsense right?

I'll do 20 in 4th on the way home later if you like
19-09-23, 15:07
The Bloop

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'll do 20 in 4th on the way home later if you like

Don't bother with 4th. It's 1st, 2nd, 5th for me 🙂
19-09-23, 15:29
HiVis

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Rjk

the doctors saying this are full of shit.

lots of evidence to show that collisions at 20mph are a lot less dangerous than those at 30, not to Mention the fact that they happen much less frequently

If I am hit by a bus at 20mph I'm dead.

Your post is a crock of shit.
19-09-23, 16:03
olderblue

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by goats

20 in 4th? No chance…..you like talking nonsense right?

No one will need to worry about gears when they move on to the next stage of the plan
Full employment in Wales.

Every car will have to have someone walking in front carrying a flag as they travel round at 12 MPH
It’s been done before

These lot down the Bay aren’t as daft as you think
19-09-23, 16:14
Maurice Swan

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Not that long ago I branded Drakeford a despicable man....and my post got removed....
Since then I think a lot worse has been said about him....

My further comment is that he needs to be sectioned....he has no touch with reality.

I look forward to this being removed......
19-09-23, 16:20
North Cardiff Blue

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I just read that its 68,000. If it gets to 100,000 the government is duty bound to debate it.

Brilliant remember it's one signature per email address, I'll check if my XL Bully Satan (he's so soft and loves kids) wants to vote on his email, while he still can :thumbup:
19-09-23, 16:25
Rjk

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Maurice Swan

Not that long ago I branded Drakeford a despicable man....and my post got removed....
Since then I think a lot worse has been said about him....

My further comment is that he needs to be sectioned....he has no touch with reality.

I look forward to this being removed......

I think it's hilarious the amount of anger he generates from certain posters on here
19-09-23, 16:27
Rjk

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by olderblue

No one will need to worry about gears when they move on to the next stage of the plan
Full employment in Wales.

Every car will have to have someone walking in front carrying a flag as they travel round at 12 MPH
It’s been done before

These lot down the Bay aren’t as daft as you think

12 mph is a pretty brisk walk, it'll do wonders for the nation's quads
19-09-23, 16:28
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I think it's hilarious the amount of anger he generates from certain posters on here

Seriously ? I've yet to meet someone outside of Pontcanna who doesn't think he's an utter tw*t.
19-09-23, 16:35
North Cardiff Blue

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The Brynglass tunnel speed limit increased to 20 miles per hour from 100 meters per hour.
19-09-23, 16:36
splott parker

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All the jibes being aimed at the Labour Party yet the vote on the matter in the assembly saw the three main parties in favour. For what it’s worth I think it should be reviewed and the system rejigged, taking certain major roads out of the 20mph zone. One thing though, that Tory leader, who was photographed with ‘20’s Plenty’ signs, you’d take it from that he agreed with the changes, has now changed his tune and sees it as a vote catcher. Says a lot more about him than Mark Drakeford.
19-09-23, 16:45
Rjk

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by splott parker

All the jibes being aimed at the Labour Party yet the vote on the matter in the assembly saw the three main parties in favour. For what it’s worth I think it should be reviewed and the system rejigged, taking certain major roads out of the 20mph zone. One thing though, that Tory leader, who was photographed with ‘20’s Plenty’ signs, you’d take it from that he agreed with the changes, has now changed his tune and sees it as a vote catcher. Says a lot more about him than Mark Drakeford.

I think there are very few roads that need changing, and they'll probably get sorted out over the coming year
19-09-23, 16:45
North Cardiff Blue

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by splott parker

All the jibes being aimed at the Labour Party yet the vote on the matter in the assembly saw the three main parties in favour. For what it’s worth I think it should be reviewed and the system rejigged, taking certain major roads out of the 20mph zone. One thing though, that Tory leader, who was photographed with ‘20’s Plenty’ signs, you’d take it from that he agreed with the changes, has now changed his tune and sees it as a vote catcher. Says a lot more about him than Mark Drakeford.

Reverse gear for you at 20mph it's been great for weeks good old Mark :hehe:

Still, you got there in the end with a bit of common sense, just one lefty left :thumbup:
19-09-23, 16:47
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Rjk

pretty much all cars can manage to do 20mph in 3rd or 4th gear though, no need to drop to 2nd

:hehe: I fear for the state of your car if you're doing 20 in 4th.

Go back to your physics teacher.
19-09-23, 16:48
North Cardiff Blue

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Reverse gear for you at 20mph it's been great for weeks good old Mark :hehe:

Still, you got there in the end with a bit of common sense, just one lefty left :thumbup:

It's a good point, I might try and reverse to work tomorrow, it might be more stimulating and easier to keep under 20mph.
19-09-23, 16:54
splott parker

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Reverse gear for you at 20mph it's been great for weeks good old Mark :hehe:

Still, you got there in the end with a bit of common sense, just one lefty left :thumbup:

Reverse gear? I’ve said on this thread that it doesn’t really bother me and that it’s quite amusing witnessing the antics of the ‘Mr Angrys’. I’ve said that I’ve got other more important things to get on with. The reverse gear that the Tory leader is using is certainly exceeding 20mph though, no surprise there though:thumbup:
19-09-23, 17:12
cyril evans awaydays

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by HiVis

If I am hit by a bus at 20mph I'm dead.

Your post is a crock of shit.

Your lyrics are a crock of shit.

This is better.

And if a double-decker bus
Crashes into us
To die by your side
Is such a heavenly way to die
19-09-23, 17:24
splott parker

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

It's a good point, I might try and reverse to work tomorrow, it might be more stimulating and easier to keep under 20mph.

You’re answering yourself:hehe::hehe::hehe:
19-09-23, 17:35
The Bloop

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Reverse gear for you at 20mph it's been great for weeks good old Mark :hehe:

Still, you got there in the end with a bit of common sense, just one lefty left :thumbup:

Am I the remaining lefty ?
Didn't know it was a political thing especially given that the proposal was widely supported by the 3 main parties.
ARTD is only getting involved as he's seen it as a way of political point scoring against Mark Drakeford.
19-09-23, 17:39
jeepster

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Am I the remaining lefty ?
Didn't know it was a political thing especially given that the proposal was widely supported by the 3 main parties.
ARTD is only getting involved as he's seen it as a way of political point scoring against Mark Drakeford.

:thumbup:ARTD is a big turd in the Tory swamp
19-09-23, 17:40
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by jeepster

:thumbup:ARTD is a big turd in the Tory swamp

He's a sweating red faced farmer
19-09-23, 17:43
cyril evans awaydays

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by splott parker

You’re answering yourself:hehe::hehe::hehe:

Ah, the old forgot to log out to agree with myself error!
19-09-23, 17:45
Robin Friday's Ghost

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

:hehe: I fear for the state of your car if you're doing 20 in 4th.

Go back to your physics teacher.

Mine, which is a 1.6, seems to be happiest at 22mph in 3rd so that's what I'm using. What's 2mph between friends? I could definitely do 20mph in 4th so long as I was going downhill. On the flat, not so much
19-09-23, 17:50
LeningradCowboy

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The petition is completely irrelevant. It's votes in the ballot box that count. Nothing is going to change unless there is some indication that a lot of Labour MSs will lose their seats at the next Senedd elections.
19-09-23, 17:52
jimmyscoular

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

I'd stick with the 20 if Drippy retired instead, but signed again.

Have people stopped listening to Tufty?
19-09-23, 18:31
TWGL1

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

The petition is completely irrelevant. It's votes in the ballot box that count. Nothing is going to change unless there is some indication that a lot of Labour MSs will lose their seats at the next Senedd elections.

I wonder if Lynn Global miscalculated this one :hehe:
19-09-23, 20:32
Eric the Half a Bee

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy

The petition is completely irrelevant. It's votes in the ballot box that count. Nothing is going to change unless there is some indication that a lot of Labour MSs will lose their seats at the next Senedd elections.

Lobby Plaid Cymru to stand up to the 20mph limit then. They're the only party that could affect Labour.
19-09-23, 20:58
Harry Paget Flashman

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Its hardly causing a nightmare.

Don't know what the fuss is.
19-09-23, 22:00
Eric the Half a Bee

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I've been looking again at the Welsh Government's own spreadsheets on accident data from 2021 and 2022. Feel free to download them from https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalog...ent-Level-Data

2022 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2021 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 3.
2020 - lockdown
2019 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2018 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.

I haven't researched them all, but one accident in 2022 was in the Gower where a car drove into a petrol station where, I'm pretty sure, a reduction in speed wouldn't have made any difference.
19-09-23, 22:02
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Lobby Plaid Cymru to stand up to the 20mph limit then. They're the only party that could affect Labour.

I don't want that lot in , I hope labour themselves row back
19-09-23, 22:09
Eric the Half a Bee

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Since 2018 there have been 14 accidents on 30mph speed limit roads that have resulted in fatalities or serious injury. Oddly, 5 of those were in 2020 when we were in Covid lockdown. 2 of those 14 accidents occured during working hours, Mon-Fri between 9-5. 9 of the 14 accidents occured after 9pm and before 6pm, when it is dark.
19-09-23, 22:49
Rjk

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Re: 20mph online petition

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

I've been looking again at the Welsh Government's own spreadsheets on accident data from 2021 and 2022. Feel free to download them from https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalog...ent-Level-Data

2022 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2021 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 3.
2020 - lockdown
2019 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.
2018 - number of accidents on 30mph roads across Wales that resulted in fatalities or serious accidents - 2.

I haven't researched them all, but one accident in 2022 was in the Gower where a car drove into a petrol station where, I'm pretty sure, a reduction in speed wouldn't have made any difference.

that data seems completely at odds with this data I've found , also from the Welsh government...

which is correct?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...UMTc296MCFc8U1

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19-09-23, 23:11
Dave Blue

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I don't want that lot in , I hope labour themselves row back

I asked yesterday who would prosper from this policy. It’s not PC as they support it. It won’t be the Tories because they are toxic. It will be a non story in 2 weeks thank God.
20-09-23, 00:13
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

I asked yesterday who would prosper from this policy. It’s not PC as they support it. It won’t be the Tories because they are toxic. It will be a non story in 2 weeks thank God.

I hope so but I think it's a daft policy and just gives the Tories a foot in the door

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