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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Dave Blue
Everyone has free school meals now. Why are you deliberately misleading?
Nonsense everyone doesn't get it, it's only for school kids :hehe:
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
I’d get that, but as a few on this board will tell you, EVERYONE is already talking about it non stop. Surely there’s no point getting people talking and raising awareness to an issue which everyone bar none is already talking about because it’s damaged their lives irreparably. So I’m back to wondering what the point is.
I wonder if they’ll get half a million joining this protest given it’s so important to the majority of Wales. Or will it be about 20 old timers shaking their fists. Only time will tell.
Have to agree though that I’m very surprised any protest involving the roads, especially a motorway is allowed
It's pointless I wouldn't join unless it was affecting the decision makers blocking their streets or something.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Given some of the sentiments expressed in this thread, I thought I'd share my experience this morning of driving over the Rhygos mountain in the dark with no road lights to guide me apart from the, not very good, cats eyes in the middle of the road. I make the journey once a week and stick to the 40 mph speed limit in force for about eighty per cent of the journey between Treherbert and Hirwaun, so I'd be breaking the speed limit if I drove two or three mph faster.
This morning, the journey was made worse by steady rain and the fact that my windscreen demisters always take ages to start having an effect. Although I've made the journey plenty of times now and so know the route well, it was harder than normal to see clearly this morning and so I was sometimes slowing to about 30mph, but there was never any one behind me at the time.
By the time someone quickly appeared behind me, the visibility problem had gone and so I was driving steadily at 40 mph (i.e. the speed limit for the road). This didn't stop the driver behind me flashing their lights at me and roaring past me as soon as the road was clear.
By now, I was close to the part of the road which is being repaired after what might be called a mini avalanche last year where it narrows to one lane which is controlled by traffic lights. I saw the car that had overtaken me drive through a red light and, having stopped myself at the lights, the three vehicles behind me went past me to drive through the same red light. Besides this, as is always the case when I drove along this road at 40 mph, I was overtaken by three or four vehicles as a matter of course - it makes you feel like someone driving 40 mph on a motorway.
On the return journey, I was approaching a roundabout where I was turning right, so I indicated to pull into the outside line and did so when I was about one fifty yards from the roundabout. Again, I was doing about 40 mph at the time, but this didn't stop a car behind me overtaking me on the inside and then cutting in front of me about seventy yards from the roundabout.
Can I ask those getting in such a state about the 20 mph speed limit what they think about all of the law breakers I saw out on the road this morning? Strictly speaking, I'd say about 50 per cent of the drivers I encountered this morning were clearly breaking driving laws and this doesn't include those, myself included, who were driving at about 25 mph in the one 20 mph zone I encountered on that journey from Treherbert to Hirwaun.
It seems to me that petitioning and demonstrating for something to be done about the approach of the law breakers I experienced this morning would be something for those making such an issue about the reduction of a speed limit to get involved with, but, of course, there's no party political element involved there is there.
You’ve explained it perfectly, if a law is unenforceable, what is the point of that law ?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Given some of the sentiments expressed in this thread, I thought I'd share my experience this morning of driving over the Rhygos mountain in the dark with no road lights to guide me apart from the, not very good, cats eyes in the middle of the road. I make the journey once a week and stick to the 40 mph speed limit in force for about eighty per cent of the journey between Treherbert and Hirwaun, so I'd be breaking the speed limit if I drove two or three mph faster.
This morning, the journey was made worse by steady rain and the fact that my windscreen demisters always take ages to start having an effect. Although I've made the journey plenty of times now and so know the route well, it was harder than normal to see clearly this morning and so I was sometimes slowing to about 30mph, but there was never any one behind me at the time.
By the time someone quickly appeared behind me, the visibility problem had gone and so I was driving steadily at 40 mph (i.e. the speed limit for the road). This didn't stop the driver behind me flashing their lights at me and roaring past me as soon as the road was clear.
By now, I was close to the part of the road which is being repaired after what might be called a mini avalanche last year where it narrows to one lane which is controlled by traffic lights. I saw the car that had overtaken me drive through a red light and, having stopped myself at the lights, the three vehicles behind me went past me to drive through the same red light. Besides this, as is always the case when I drove along this road at 40 mph, I was overtaken by three or four vehicles as a matter of course - it makes you feel like someone driving 40 mph on a motorway.
On the return journey, I was approaching a roundabout where I was turning right, so I indicated to pull into the outside line and did so when I was about one fifty yards from the roundabout. Again, I was doing about 40 mph at the time, but this didn't stop a car behind me overtaking me on the inside and then cutting in front of me about seventy yards from the roundabout.
Can I ask those getting in such a state about the 20 mph speed limit what they think about all of the law breakers I saw out on the road this morning? Strictly speaking, I'd say about 50 per cent of the drivers I encountered this morning were clearly breaking driving laws and this doesn't include those, myself included, who were driving at about 25 mph in the one 20 mph zone I encountered on that journey from Treherbert to Hirwaun.
It seems to me that petitioning and demonstrating for something to be done about the approach of the law breakers I experienced this morning would be something for those making such an issue about the reduction of a speed limit to get involved with, but, of course, there's no party political element involved there is there.
I don't know the road and it sounds like you were talking suitable care and caution where it was needed, there is nothing wrong with that, I drive much slower than most people through double parked cars, as I have previously seen doors open and children walk out between the gaps.
It sounds like you are more cautious or sensible than the majority of road users on that section of the road. I would ignore them, some are probably a bit daft, but some sound reckless, and if they don't calm down we will see their smashed-up cars on the next series of The Crash Detectives.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Harry Lime
Poor you.
Car wanker
So you have not got a car then have you , or never used one ?
Sounds as if you’re overlooking the fact that the policy is being funded at the expense of other more important issues -
And I’m not poor either , but thanks for your concern
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Dave Blue
Everyone has free school meals now. Why are you deliberately misleading?
WTF are you on about , not everyone gets FSM at present and the WAG refused to sanction FSM during half term ( summer holidays)
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Had reason to drive to Tongwynlais this morning, 20mph for about 5 minutes, then 50 down to
40 on Eastern Avenue, 30 on Manor Way, 50 on the A470 culminating in 20 in downtown Tongwynlais. Where is the 20mph blanket law that some keep banging on about:shrug: the areas that were 20 were sensibly categorised I reckon.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Had reason to drive to Tongwynlais this morning, 20mph for about 5 minutes, then 50 down to
40 on Eastern Avenue, 30 on Manor Way, 50 on the A470 culminating in 20 in downtown Tongwynlais. Where is the 20mph blanket law that some keep banging on about:shrug: the areas that were 20 were sensibly categorised I reckon.
It's only the boy racers who would object
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It's probably already been mentioned but I'm sure everyone taking part will be arrested and charged in line with Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil's motorway protests. Priti Patel would expect nothing less surely ?
Wouldn't want to suggest that perhaps drivers aren't the most oppressed group in this country and will instead get told gently to 'stop being a d#ck' and be allowed to move on peacefully.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Given some of the sentiments expressed in this thread, I thought I'd share my experience this morning of driving over the Rhygos mountain in the dark with no road lights to guide me apart from the, not very good, cats eyes in the middle of the road. I make the journey once a week and stick to the 40 mph speed limit in force for about eighty per cent of the journey between Treherbert and Hirwaun, so I'd be breaking the speed limit if I drove two or three mph faster.
This morning, the journey was made worse by steady rain and the fact that my windscreen demisters always take ages to start having an effect. Although I've made the journey plenty of times now and so know the route well, it was harder than normal to see clearly this morning and so I was sometimes slowing to about 30mph, but there was never any one behind me at the time.
By the time someone quickly appeared behind me, the visibility problem had gone and so I was driving steadily at 40 mph (i.e. the speed limit for the road). This didn't stop the driver behind me flashing their lights at me and roaring past me as soon as the road was clear.
By now, I was close to the part of the road which is being repaired after what might be called a mini avalanche last year where it narrows to one lane which is controlled by traffic lights. I saw the car that had overtaken me drive through a red light and, having stopped myself at the lights, the three vehicles behind me went past me to drive through the same red light. Besides this, as is always the case when I drove along this road at 40 mph, I was overtaken by three or four vehicles as a matter of course - it makes you feel like someone driving 40 mph on a motorway.
On the return journey, I was approaching a roundabout where I was turning right, so I indicated to pull into the outside line and did so when I was about one fifty yards from the roundabout. Again, I was doing about 40 mph at the time, but this didn't stop a car behind me overtaking me on the inside and then cutting in front of me about seventy yards from the roundabout.
Can I ask those getting in such a state about the 20 mph speed limit what they think about all of the law breakers I saw out on the road this morning? Strictly speaking, I'd say about 50 per cent of the drivers I encountered this morning were clearly breaking driving laws and this doesn't include those, myself included, who were driving at about 25 mph in the one 20 mph zone I encountered on that journey from Treherbert to Hirwaun.
It seems to me that petitioning and demonstrating for something to be done about the approach of the law breakers I experienced this morning would be something for those making such an issue about the reduction of a speed limit to get involved with, but, of course, there's no party political element involved there is there.
Well I have to admit what you said there Bob kind of summarises my feeling on the whole 20mph thing. It's not the speed limit that's the issue, it's the dickish other drivers
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My view is that the positive thing about the 20 mph issue is that MOST people seem to be more aware of their speed and are cutting down to 25 ish in 20 mph areas
That's got to be a good thing
However criminalising loads of drivers who are driving 26 mph in an area they used to drive at 33 , 34 is complete nonsense
At the end of the day if you are in a town centre or outside a school you should slowly be getting the message that you need to drop your speed which is surely the best end result ?
Ultimately if you are intent on doing say 28 mph outside a school and you kill a child then you can't really have a defence......but speed cameras doing the same driver travelling at 28 mph through a town centre at 4 in the morning with no body about ....it all seems destined to piss a lot of people off
I really can't see where it's all going to go and I think drakeford has messed up here and the sooner he steps down the better
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
My view is that the positive thing about the 20 mph issue is that MOST people seem to be more aware of their speed and are cutting down to 25 ish in 20 mph areas
That's got to be a good thing
However criminalising loads of drivers who are driving 26 mph in an area they used to drive at 33 , 34 is complete nonsense
At the end of the day if you are in a town centre or outside a school you should slowly be getting the message that you need to drop your speed which is surely the best end result ?
Ultimately if you are intent on doing say 28 mph outside a school and you kill a child then you can't really have a defence......but speed cameras doing the same driver travelling at 28 mph through a town centre at 4 in the morning with no body about ....it all seems destined to piss a lot of people off
I really can't see where it's all going to go and I think drakeford has messed up here and the sooner he steps down the better
your on the same wave length as me sludge regarding this issue
think Drakeford is going to get a bloody nose at the next election
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
your on the same wave length as me sludge regarding this issue
think Drakeford is going to get a bloody nose at the next election
When is the next election for the assembly?
I wish he would fall on his sword now he's causing a lot of damage
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
[QUOTE=splott parker;5464277]Had reason to drive to Tongwynlais this morning, 20mph for about 5 minutes, then 50 down to
40 on Eastern Avenue, 30 on Manor Way, 50 on the A470 culminating in 20 in downtown Tongwynlais. Where is the 20mph blanket law that some keep banging on about:shrug: the areas that were 20 were sensibly categorised I reckon.[/QUOT
Spot on - I drive quite a lot and the thing that strikes me more is those drivers who are unaware of the speed limits and choose to drive 20 in a 30 and 40 when the signage is crystal clear - this equally applies to drivers who speed and puts others in danger
Drivers are at fault here and not the policy.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
When is the next election for the assembly?
I wish he would fall on his sword now he's causing a lot of damage
He will be gone in the new year - never intended to serve a full term - stated this at the start of this government
Next elections are in 2025 I think and if you think there is other talent waiting in the wings then you are mistaken!!!!
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
He will be gone in the new year - never intended to serve a full term - stated this at the start of this government
Next elections are in 2025 I think and if you think there is other talent waiting in the wings then you are mistaken!!!!
Talent :hehe:
Drippy
Born Guessing
Elenud
they are great at picking talent :hehe:
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Talent :hehe:
Drippy
Born Guessing
Elenud
they are great at picking talent :hehe:
At the moment I reckon you could say that about all parties in Wales and England.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Talent :hehe:
Drippy
Born Guessing
Elenud
they are great at picking talent :hehe:
I was hoping someone would pick that up and I agree with Eric below there is nothing in any politician across the UK they are all self serving winkers - we are truly fecked for years to come
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Out of interest while on this topic, as I’d say there’s a fair split on this board of a)they hate 20 so much it’s taken over their lives b) it’s slowing
People so it’s fine and c) meh
Is there anyone on here who would prefer it to be 30 than 20 outside your house?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
When is the next election for the assembly?
I wish he would fall on his sword now he's causing a lot of damage
just remembered pretty sure someone mentioned here recently he was going to retire soon ?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
just remembered pretty sure someone mentioned here recently he was going to retire soon ?
The next Senedd election has to be before May 2026. Drakeford said when he won in 2021 that he wouldn't see out this term.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
Out of interest while on this topic, as I’d say there’s a fair split on this board of a)they hate 20 so much it’s taken over their lives b) it’s slowing
People so it’s fine and c) meh
Is there anyone on here who would prefer it to be 30 than 20 outside your house?
Yes, it could be 100mph, but you'd have a job it's a small culdesac, I bought it because people wouldn't need to park outside my house to go to shops pubs etc and there would be no traffic.
I didn't buy one on a rat run and complain people are driving past my house or by a town centre or football ground and complain that people are parking outside my house.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Yes, it could be 100mph, but you'd have a job it's a small culdesac, I bought it because people wouldn't need to park outside my house to go to shops pubs etc and there would be no traffic.
I didn't buy one on a rat run and complain people are driving past my house or by a town centre or football ground and complain that people are parking outside my house.
That makes sense. So what you're saying is that only people who can afford to should feel that they and their kids/grandkids are safe outside their house?
It's worth considering that there are many elderly people living in these "rat runs" that weren't like that when they purchased, too...
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
That makes sense. So what you're saying is that only people who can afford to should feel that they and their kids/grandkids are safe outside their house?
It's worth considering that there are many elderly people living in these "rat runs" that weren't like that when they purchased, too...
There are cheap cul-de-sacs, the point is don't buy a house on a busy street and then complain because it's a busy street.
I have previously lived near a church and understood it would be busy on Sundays, and a funeral home and it was busy some days for a bit, I didn't moan or ask the council to stop people parking, I moved it was my choice to pick that house.
What do you propose we do close all the roads so it's quiet for everyone?
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
There are cheap cul-de-sacs, the point is don't buy a house on a busy street and then complain because it's a busy street.
Cheap by what standards I should ask?
I should point out I'm not complaining, I live in a relatively quiet street, it's been 20 for a long time and I'm happy that it is. But I was getting to the point of a grumble about 20mph on a road near me recently when it was pointed out to me that despite being a "main" road, it was residential in strips all the way long.
I don't know why I or anyone else should have any more right for their family to be safer outside than anyone else, that's all.
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
Cheap by what standards I should ask?
I should point out I'm not complaining, I live in a relatively quiet street, it's been 20 for a long time and I'm happy that it is. But I was getting to the point of a grumble about 20mph on a road near me recently when it was pointed out to me that despite being a "main" road, it was residential in strips all the way long.
I don't know why I or anyone else should have any more right for their family to be safer outside than anyone else, that's all.
No one has, it's a personal choice some people would prefer a bigger house on a busy street than a smaller cheaper house on a quieter street. The benefit is your money goes further as most people don't fancy living in busy traffic, the downside is it's noisy and cars drive past fast and you are living in busy traffic.
All I object to is those people saying everyone should now drive at 5mph outside my house because I live here now and I don't like your noise.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
No one has, it's a personal choice some people would prefer a bigger house on a busy street than a smaller cheaper house on a quieter street. The benefit is your money goes further as most people don't fancy living in busy traffic, the downside is it's noisy and cars drive past fast and you are living in busy traffic.
All I object to is those people saying everyone should now drive at 5mph outside my house because I live here now and I don't like your noise.
I think you and I probably live in quite different areas, Cardiff is as you describe in some parts, but in the valleys a lot of housing on main roads (rather than culdesacs) tends to be cheaper housing. Add into that a lot of rental properties where people who aren't in a position to buy for financial or other reasons live too.
I don't think i've got any more right to have safer roads outside than them.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
When is the next election for the assembly?
I wish he would fall on his sword now he's causing a lot of damage
He’s not standing next time.
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
Dave Blue
He’s not standing next time.
So how much longer is he around for ?
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When he goes there won't be an election, the labour group will have an internal vote on the next leader, just as they voted for him when he took over.
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just found the times these are planned so could deffo affect travelling to the game if your coming from the east or the west tomorrow after 10am by the looks of it
times here below
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2023-...ng-the-weekend
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
When he goes there won't be an election, the labour group will have an internal vote on the next leader, just as they voted for him when he took over.
What sort of election do you have in mind? All leaders in uk are appointed by their party, the public don’t have a say at all.
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So it turns out half a million didn’t turn out, going by the photo at the top of this report. Also, can anyone spot anything about the demographic of the photo of those who did. Answers on a postcard
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...s-28000871.amp
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
All people?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
Middle aged Tory *****?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
Bald farmers?
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Re: 20mph -Protest this saturday on M4-PLAN AHEAD
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
All drivers?
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
All members of the caravan club.
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Middle aged Tory *****?
Well I can’t tell their voting intentions. But certainly at more of a folicly challenged time of life where change is difficult. I didn’t think the weather was that bad, I wonder what else affected the turnout?
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Originally Posted by
Dave Blue
What sort of election do you have in mind? All leaders in uk are appointed by their party, the public don’t have a say at all.
I think you'll find if you read my post that I didn't have any kind of election in mind. The clue is in the phrase "there won't be an election".
