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J R Hartley
Here they come, the out of touch baby boomers. During the war :old:
How about forty years ago, for a young miner who may have just bought their first house with three kids, it was so much easier back then!
Tough times never last but tough people do!
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North Cardiff Blue
How about forty years ago, for a young miner who may have just bought their first house with three kids, it was so much easier back then!
Tough times never last but tough people do!
They were some of the highest paid working class workers in the country and houses didnt cost 10 times their salary.
Of course ti was tough during the strike, and a tough graft for the men, but lets not pretend their familys were living in poverty when they were not on strike.
During the miners strike community pulled together to make sure families were fed. Now some young families who are not even on strike and work 2 jobs in a househols still cant afford to put food on the table. The rely on foodbanks and handouts like the striking miners and its just become "normal" to do so. But hey, young people today havent got it tough.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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J R Hartley
They were some of the highest paid workers in the country and houses didnt cost 10 times their salary.
They were just about to go on strike and many never worked in the mines again, most of the old ones were slammed on the long-term sick to fiddle with the figures.
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North Cardiff Blue
They were just about to go on strike and many never worked in the mines again, most of the old ones were slammed on the long-term sick to fiddle with the figures.
How would you know Thatcher lover? You were too busy w*nking off to pictures of her in her sheer blouse you sicko.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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J R Hartley
How would you know Thatcher lover? You were too busy w*nking off to pictures of her in her sheer blouse you sicko.
Probably you, Pam was all you could get :hehe:
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J R Hartley
They were some of the highest paid working class workers in the country and houses didnt cost 10 times their salary.
Of course ti was tough during the strike, and a tough graft for the men, but lets not pretend their familys were living in poverty when they were not on strike.
During the miners strike community pulled together to make sure families were fed. Now some young families who are not even on strike and work 2 jobs in a househols still cant afford to put food on the table. The rely on foodbanks and handouts like the striking miners and its just become "normal" to do so. But hey, young people today havent got it tough.
There was probably more poverty back then than now and the further you go back even more poverty, It is tough now but to think that all was rosey in the past is utter nonsense.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
There was probably more poverty back then than now and the further you go back even more poverty, It is tough now but to think that all was rosey in the past is utter nonsense.
None so blind than those that will not see
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
There was probably more poverty back then than now and the further you go back even more poverty, It is tough now but to think that all was rosey in the past is utter nonsense.
Why harp on about the trials & tribulations of the past? Surely the ‘now’ is the important time. People are struggling and preaching to them that it was worse years ago doesn’t help whatsoever. The City were shite in the 30s, doesn’t make the present performances any more palatable.
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splott parker
Why harp on about the trials & tribulations of the past? Surely the ‘now’ is the important time. People are struggling and preaching to them that it was worse years ago doesn’t help whatsoever. The City were shite in the 30s, doesn’t make the present performances any more palatable.
There are a generation who when everything is totted up, through basically no fault of their own, have ended up a fair bit ahead. Some of this generation don't like that being pointed out and it makes them defensive.
These are systemic issues that could be fixed if enough people wanted them to be.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
There was probably more poverty back then than now and the further you go back even more poverty, It is tough now but to think that all was rosey in the past is utter nonsense.
Nobody is saying the past was rosey. Times were tougher and jobs were on average tougher. The issue today is that the game is far more rigged against you, there isnt a route out, boomers had to scrimp, save and be sensible and they would emerge the other side as a homeowner with comfortable finances and a dignified, hopefully long, retirement.
There are millions of people now whose income and absolute base outgoings are such that this will not be possible for them. They aren't wasting money and they are doing jobs that absolutely need to be done but not being paid what they require to meet basic outgoings and plan for the future.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Yes, out of touch, boomers havent got the first clue the financial pressures young people of today face. Rent is taking up more than 50% of peoples wages ffs. Thats before all the other bills and taxes on top. The kids of today wont be retiring in their 50s, getting caravans down west, or a nice little apartment in the med because they easily paid off their mortgage before they were 40.
Maybe they ought to do without takeaways...mobile phones....netflix etc etc....we all had pressures then......aka I could not afford a proper bed....I filled my bath with hot water from the kettle because the HW tank was broken and I could not afford to fix it.........get real....
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Maurice Swan
Maybe they ought to do without takeaways...mobile phones....netflix etc etc....we all had pressures then......aka I could not afford a proper bed....I filled my bath with hot water from the kettle because the HW tank was broken and I could not afford to fix it.........get real....
Can’t you grasp that there are people who work hard, day in/day out, who just can’t keep their head above water. People like you telling them to ‘get real’ is so insulting. Well done to you, you got on, became a comfortable immigrant, to attain that is impossible for many, no matter how many hours they put in. Some are caught in a vicious circle with no escape, rent, food and a few home comforts is all they can afford with not a chance of putting a few bob away.
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splott parker
Can’t you grasp that there are people who work hard, day in/day out, who just can’t keep their head above water. People like you telling them to ‘get real’ is so insulting. Well done to you, you got on, became a comfortable immigrant, to attain that is impossible for many, no matter how many hours they put in. Some are caught in a vicious circle with no escape, rent, food and a few home comforts is all they can afford with not a chance of putting a few bob away.
Quite honestly that is bollocks....you don't think I / we worked hard in past times? I used to commute two hours each way....You don't think I/we struggled to get on the housing ladder....? I didn't get a car until I was 25.....we bought second hand furniture....don't give me that crap - it was no different then.
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splott parker
Can’t you grasp that there are people who work hard, day in/day out, who just can’t keep their head above water. People like you telling them to ‘get real’ is so insulting. Well done to you, you got on, became a comfortable immigrant, to attain that is impossible for many, no matter how many hours they put in. Some are caught in a vicious circle with no escape, rent, food and a few home comforts is all they can afford with not a chance of putting a few bob away.
Get real, we all know that they would be buying that house right now if they cancelled their £7.99 subscription to netflix.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
Maybe they ought to do without takeaways...mobile phones....netflix etc etc....we all had pressures then......aka I could not afford a proper bed....I filled my bath with hot water from the kettle because the HW tank was broken and I could not afford to fix it.........get real....
Put the Daily Mail down Maurice you f-ing clown
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Re: How do young people cope?
People taking the piss earlier in the thread about people with their Starbucks and avocado on toast, and in typical fashion here comes Maurice :hehe:falling hook line and sinker for the crap they put in the press.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Put the Daily Mail down Maurice you f-ing clown
I sometimes wonder how someone can repeatedly embarrass himself.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
There were 6.4 million people on Universal Credit in January 2024. 39% of them were in work - but not earning enough to live.
Is the 'mess' you speak of people claiming benefits (many don't claim who could) or the levels of pay that mean they cannot survive without?
The benefits system is a mess - the UC 'reforms' didn't resolve that and in many ways made it worse - but the underlying problem is poverty and low pay (and high housing and utilities costs). I'm sure you have your reasons for blaming 'soft leftie types' for all that but I think there are more obvious targets.
I was talking to someone who is on UC recently. Apparently, every month they calculate how much UC you get from your earnings, but they take something like 55p for every £1 you earn. Say that person is asked if they can do an extra couple of hours another day on minimum wage. With what they lose out on from UC, they'll make perhaps £12 for 2 hours work, minus any transport costs, perhaps even childcare costs. That doesn't incentivise work.
Also, if you have hours that can vary, you could be in a position where that doesn't affect your UC until the following month, so you could think you're doing well one month, then your UC drops quite a bit and you're in a spot of bother.
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Re: How do young people cope?
We are seeing capitalism failing miserably as predicted by many.
Unchallenged greed from the richest which has infected our politics means we can't take the actions needed to provide basic necessities for British people e.g. housing.
It's always the same, people who say look after our own first completely lose their minds at programmes aimed to help the neediest in the UK.
This isn't all older people, it's good to see many on here recognise the challenges that young people face, but I swear a significant percentage of you have had your brains completely scrambled by lead paint as kids and for some reason you froth at the mouth at the possibility of recognising that society has regressed significantly under your watch.
To those saying go without netflix, I think comments like that show how out of touch you are with the reality of things at the moment, budgeting and working harder can no longer overcome systematic failures.
I bought my house in 2012 while in my early 20s, if I were looking to buy today instead I wouldn't be able to buy my own house which to me is staggering.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
We are seeing capitalism failing miserably as predicted by many.
Unchallenged greed from the richest which has infected our politics means we can't take the actions needed to provide basic necessities for British people e.g. housing.
It's always the same, people who say look after our own first completely lose their minds at programmes aimed to help the neediest in the UK.
This isn't all older people, it's good to see many on here recognise the challenges that young people face, but I swear a significant percentage of you have had your brains completely scrambled by lead paint as kids and for some reason you froth at the mouth at the possibility of recognising that society has regressed significantly under your watch.
To those saying go without netflix, I think comments like that show how out of touch you are with the reality of things at the moment, budgeting and working harder can no longer overcome systematic failures.
I bought my house in 2012 while in my early 20s, if I were looking to buy today instead I wouldn't be able to buy my own house which to me is staggering.
So much is true in this post. Well said.
The comment you made, which I've highlighted in bold, sums things up so much.
Cut overseas aid. Let's not send millions to the EU. Let's look after ourselves.
"I can't get a new knee for 2 years. I've paid into the NHS all my life and I should be a priority." etc etc
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
I sometimes wonder how someone can repeatedly embarrass himself.
So do I, but you never fail to deliver.
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Canton Kev
So do I, but you never fail to deliver.
Aint that the truth.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Maurice Swan
I sometimes wonder how someone can repeatedly embarrass himself.
You were questioning black people’s haircuts the other week, dear God, you don’t live in France, you live on another planet. You bang on how you struggled, had bugger all but came through and made good and well done to you. This is because there were opportunities to do this in the past, those opportunities have, sadly, vanished for many, many hard working, decent people. You criticise them for attempting to live a normal life, giving their kids things they can barely afford. These folk are doing the best they can, making their homes as comfortable as possible, living as comfortable as possible despite the odds being against them.
You’ve made it quite clear that you sneer at struggling families because it’s all their own fault and the fact that they try and not get left behind is despicable and freeloading. And you’re not keen on those bloody black people having haircuts of their choice!!
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splott parker
You were questioning black people’s haircuts the other week, dear God, you don’t live in France, you live on another planet. You bang on how you struggled, had bugger all but came through and made good and well done to you. This is because there were opportunities to do this in the past, those opportunities have, sadly, vanished for many, many hard working, decent people. You criticise them for attempting to live a normal life, giving their kids things they can barely afford. These folk are doing the best they can, making their homes as comfortable as possible, living as comfortable as possible despite the odds being against them.
You’ve made it quite clear that you sneer at struggling families because it’s all their own fault and the fact that they try and not get left behind is despicable and freeloading. And you’re not keen on those bloody black people having haircuts of their choice!!
He would prefer le Pen over Macron as well. And when called an immigrant, his reply indirect reply was that he was superior in comparison to other 'Immigrants'
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
You were questioning black people’s haircuts the other week, dear God, you don’t live in France, you live on another planet. You bang on how you struggled, had bugger all but came through and made good and well done to you. This is because there were opportunities to do this in the past, those opportunities have, sadly, vanished for many, many hard working, decent people. You criticise them for attempting to live a normal life, giving their kids things they can barely afford. These folk are doing the best they can, making their homes as comfortable as possible, living as comfortable as possible despite the odds being against them.
You’ve made it quite clear that you sneer at struggling families because it’s all their own fault and the fact that they try and not get left behind is despicable and freeloading. And you’re not keen on those bloody black people having haircuts of their choice!!
First things first, and not relevant one bit to this post - the streams posted by Maurice are so poor you’d think he’s taking commission.
Secondly, on the actual topic of the thread, of which I care little to none what the majority of this ageing, out of touch messageboard thinks - being under 30 is an absolute circus at the moment, unless you have a job in finance or are a tradesmen (from my understanding of their earnings).
Couldn’t give a **** about people during the 1940s, as someone in this thread has brought forward as a counter point, or anything else. There quite literally hasn’t been a worse time to be in your mid to late twenties since the Industrial Revolution.
I quite literally cannot wait for the mass extinction of the current crop of over 70s who have over stayed their welcome. Property market will free up and things will (hopefully) stabilise.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
He would prefer le Pen over Macron as well. And when called an immigrant, his reply indirect reply was that he was superior in comparison to other 'Immigrants'
It’s a sobering thought that there are people still holding his type of views, not only holding them but repeating them on a messageboard. Although, perhaps that’s more preferable, we all know where he stands, it’s certainly not clandestine.
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
First things first, and not relevant one bit to this post - the streams posted by Maurice are so poor you’d think he’s taking commission.
Secondly, on the actual topic of the thread, of which I care little to none what the majority of this ageing, out of touch messageboard thinks - being under 30 is an absolute circus at the moment, unless you have a job in finance or are a tradesmen (from my understanding of their earnings).
Couldn’t give a **** about people during the 1940s, as someone in this thread has brought forward as a counter point, or anything else. There quite literally hasn’t been a worse time to be in your mid to late twenties since the Industrial Revolution.
I quite literally cannot wait for the mass extinction of the current crop of over 70s who have over stayed their welcome. Property market will free up and things will (hopefully) stabilise.
Over 70s:yikes::yikes: I’ve got a year to go!!!!:hehe:
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splott parker
Over 70s:yikes::yikes: I’ve got a year to go!!!!:hehe:
God speed :hehe::hehe::hehe:
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
Maybe they ought to do without takeaways...mobile phones....netflix etc etc....we all had pressures then......aka I could not afford a proper bed....I filled my bath with hot water from the kettle because the HW tank was broken and I could not afford to fix it.........get real....
As I said in another thread when you talked about netflix.
Everyone used to get a daily newspaper. It wasn't a luxury, it was the norm. If you want a daily newspaper now, the Sun for example is a quid a pop. Even if you don't buy it on weekends, that's 20 quid a month and double what Netflix costs.
That's just one example of many to show how much more expensive life is today than in your day. We could do bread and milk, electricity, it's all going to be the same.
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Re: How do young people cope?
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
You were questioning black people’s haircuts the other week, dear God, you don’t live in France, you live on another planet. You bang on how you struggled, had bugger all but came through and made good and well done to you. This is because there were opportunities to do this in the past, those opportunities have, sadly, vanished for many, many hard working, decent people. You criticise them for attempting to live a normal life, giving their kids things they can barely afford. These folk are doing the best they can, making their homes as comfortable as possible, living as comfortable as possible despite the odds being against them.
You’ve made it quite clear that you sneer at struggling families because it’s all their own fault and the fact that they try and not get left behind is despicable and freeloading. And you’re not keen on those bloody black people having haircuts of their choice!!
One thing I've learned as I've got older is that opportunity is probably a bigger factor in becoming successful than hard work or talent.
In another thread, Maurice said he got a decent job a few weeks after leaving school at 16. This would be unheard of today unless your family was already loaded.
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Eric Cartman
Nobody is saying the past was rosey. Times were tougher and jobs were on average tougher. The issue today is that the game is far more rigged against you, there isnt a route out, boomers had to scrimp, save and be sensible and they would emerge the other side as a homeowner with comfortable finances and a dignified, hopefully long, retirement.
There are millions of people now whose income and absolute base outgoings are such that this will not be possible for them. They aren't wasting money and they are doing jobs that absolutely need to be done but not being paid what they require to meet basic outgoings and plan for the future.
Good post :thumbup:
I appreciate it is tougher, being of a positive mindset I focus on how youngsters could avoid landing up in that situation, but I realise we are not all the same, and that some people are really struggling. How the hell do we deal with this mess, that is another matter!
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Originally Posted by
lardy
One thing I've learned as I've got older is that opportunity is probably a bigger factor in becoming successful than hard work or talent.
In another thread, Maurice said he got a decent job a few weeks after leaving school at 16. This would be unheard of today unless your family was already loaded.
People have to take those opportunities, we should be our own children's career advisers, if they are going to university look for a course that will at least lead to a well-paid job, otherwise, it's a waste of three years when they could be saving for a deposit for a house and working their way up the jobs ladder.
We should also be financially educating them letting them know that car finance on a fancy car is a quick way to lose a lot money on a depreciating liability that will reduce what they can borrow for a house purchase and that try and avoid any finance other than for a property full stop.
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I don’t think all boomers or oldies are doing that well, my in laws aren’t, mid 70’s, sold their house 12 years ago, faffed about and didn’t buy another, spent half the money and now they can’t afford one…..
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North Cardiff Blue
People have to take those opportunities, we should be our own children's career advisers, if they are going to university look for a course that will at least lead to a well-paid job, otherwise, it's a waste of three years when they could be saving for a deposit for a house and working their way up the jobs ladder.
We should also be financially educating them letting them know that car finance on a fancy car is a quick way to lose a lot money on a depreciating liability that will reduce what they can borrow for a house purchase and that try and avoid any finance other than for a property full stop.
You think people in their 20s are struggling because they're buying brand new BMWs?
I'm definitely all for more financial education (I certainly had none during school) but that's a bonkers example :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
lardy
As I said in another thread when you talked about netflix.
Everyone used to get a daily newspaper. It wasn't a luxury, it was the norm. If you want a daily newspaper now, the Sun for example is a quid a pop. Even if you don't buy it on weekends, that's 20 quid a month and double what Netflix costs.
That's just one example of many to show how much more expensive life is today than in your day. We could do bread and milk, electricity, it's all going to be the same.
My Nan and Gransha used to smoke about 80 fags a day between them and they only had his wage coming in to the house. He didnt drink but a lot of working men his age were also down the pub/social club several times a week. Sunday mornings on the piss down the club, home for a roast dinner.
What would the cost of that be these days? More than a Netlfix subscription, an avocado and the odd take-away I know!!!
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Originally Posted by
goats
I don’t think all boomers or oldies are doing that well, my in laws aren’t, mid 70’s, sold their house 12 years ago, faffed about and didn’t buy another, spent half the money and now they can’t afford one…..
My old man is still working at 71 hes never had so much money. Got his govenrment pension and his dirving job 40 hours a week, no mortgage since hes was 50, him and my mother go on 3/4 holidays abroad every year, twice as many weekends away in this country. They help me and my sister financially with their grandchildren so cant grumble but hes so out of touch with the pressures facing youngsters today, just because it doesnt really effect him, its frightening.
In fact, I cant say for definite but he could be posting on here as Maurice Swan.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
My Nan and Gransha used to smoke about 80 fags a day between them and they only had his wage coming in to the house. He didnt drink but a lot of working men his age were also down the pub/social club several times a week. Sunday mornings on the piss down the club, home for a roast dinner.
What would the cost of that be these days? More than a Netlfix subscription, an avocado and the odd take-away I know!!!
Exactly! It's like this sketch reading this thread.
https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE?si=1Y1kOFDIjgpfx5PQ
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
f-ing brilliant sketch :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
In fact, I cant say for definite but he could be posting on here as Maurice Swan.
:hehe: I missed this gem earlier!
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
:hehe: I missed this gem earlier!
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