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the other bob wilson
Labour’s attempts to steal the title of the nasty party from the Tories no longer come as a surprise. Apparently, NHS waiting lists are coming down, so that’s something I’d hope for and expect from a Labour Government, but I can’t think of anything else they’ve done I feel similarly about - this new Government aren’t as funny and corrupt as the last one , but they’re just as heartless and pro the rich as them.
Agreed, the rich have them all in their pocket, except Corbyn, and of course he was taken out of play by the blob
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Dorcus
Agreed, the rich have them all in their pocket, except Corbyn, and of course he was taken out of play by the blob
Conspiracy theorist
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Tuerto
Yup. while we're all told to work harder if we want better, because hard work is good for us, but when we work hard and things don't get better, they actually get worse, then we blame ourselves for not working hard enough, it's the mantra passed down by the super rich and those who have their interests at heart. And we're taking it, and at the same time fighting amongst ourselves like two boxers out on their feet in the final round, it's depressing to see so many people with so much in common being ripped apart by the manipulation by those who only have their own greed and dominance at heart.
👍 Exactly.
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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JamesWales
Conspiracy theorist
No, realist
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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Dorcus
No, realist
Are you sure Ade ?
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Heathblue
Are you sure Ade ?
Yes Fart!
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Dorcus
Yes Fart!
Archive everything
We have it all
"Q"
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Heathblue
Archive everything
We have it all
"Q"
Nothing is ever forgotten
"Z"
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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Dorcus
Nothing is ever forgotten
"Z"
Not even changed username.
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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Heathblue
Not even changed username.
Good lad! What was your previous one?
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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Dorcus
No, realist
"The blob" didn't take him out of play, certainly no more scrutiny than Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Ed Miliband and the rest received.
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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JamesWales
"The blob" didn't take him out of play, certainly no more scrutiny than Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Ed Miliband and the rest received.
I don’t know what ‘the blob’ is, but if you think the ‘scrutiny’ Corbyn faced (it wasn’t scrutiny - it was orchestrated political assassination) was in the same league as the others you ‘whatabouted’ you are deluded or dishonest. It wasn't traditional left-right knockabout - it was the whole of the mainstream media, included the supposed liberal bits, other political parties, foreign governments and commentators, the Labour right and Labour machine, and any ex general trying to do a 1970s David Sterling impression.
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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jon1959
I don’t know what ‘the blob’ is, but if you think the ‘scrutiny’ Corbyn faced (it wasn’t scrutiny - it was orchestrated political assassination) was in the same league as the others you ‘whatabouted’ you are deluded or dishonest. It wasn't traditional left-right knockabout - it was the whole of the mainstream media, included the supposed liberal bits, other political parties, foreign governments and commentators, the Labour right and Labour machine, and any ex general trying to do a 1970s David Sterling impression.
Our Right Wing friend would conveniently forget all this.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
As was pointed out earlier it could be they are getting all the bad stuff front loaded and out of the way
That being said not only have Labour made some idiotic decisions even that which had to be done has been delivered so badly
Blair and his mob were far more wise
They are making a mess of the economy. There is no growth, so we have to keep increasing taxes. Reeves is acheiving the complete opposite of what she said she was trying to do. No wonder Halifax let her go. She'd have given the wrong change on the cash desk.
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Dorcus
Good lad! What was your previous one?
Depends really on which version of this MB back to when it started, but only two, never felt the need to go incognito.
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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jon1959
I don’t know what ‘the blob’ is, but if you think the ‘scrutiny’ Corbyn faced (it wasn’t scrutiny - it was orchestrated political assassination) was in the same league as the others you ‘whatabouted’ you are deluded or dishonest. It wasn't traditional left-right knockabout - it was the whole of the mainstream media, included the supposed liberal bits, other political parties, foreign governments and commentators, the Labour right and Labour machine, and any ex general trying to do a 1970s David Sterling impression.
Nonsense. It was no different to what they all face. Or at least anyone who goes against the status quo. The left just has an insane chip on its shoulder. Obviously his past comments will be investigated, twisted, explored. His economic policies gone through with a firm tooth comb etc. The guy could have been prime minister. That is scrutiny. You just call it an orchestrated political assassination. What do you call it if it's Farage then?
We probably agree on how the media try to twist and sensationalize things but for you to think it only applied to Corbyn (whereas I acknowledge it applies to all) is you being dishonest, or perhaps you just don't know about the other examples?
One of the greatest being the programme channel 4 put out called "UKIP: The first 100 days" which is still the most extraordinary biased intervention I have ever seen from a public broadcaster into an election.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31505966
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I don't feel I can comment on this thread as I didn't vote Labour. However, the only time I have ever voted Labour was when Corbyn was leader, Make of that what you will.
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stevo
I don't feel I can comment on this thread as I didn't vote Labour. However, the only time I have ever voted Labour was when Corbyn was leader, Make of that what you will.
I make of it that you're sane and sensible and a breath of fresh air 👍
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JamesWales
Nonsense. It was no different to what they all face. Or at least anyone who goes against the status quo. The left just has an insane chip on its shoulder. Obviously his past comments will be investigated, twisted, explored. His economic policies gone through with a firm tooth comb etc. The guy could have been prime minister. That is scrutiny. You just call it an orchestrated political assassination. What do you call it if it's Farage then?
We probably agree on how the media try to twist and sensationalize things but for you to think it only applied to Corbyn (whereas I acknowledge it applies to all) is you being dishonest, or perhaps you just don't know about the other examples?
One of the greatest being the programme channel 4 put out called "UKIP: The first 100 days" which is still the most extraordinary biased intervention I have ever seen from a public broadcaster into an election.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31505966
I take it this post is a joke.
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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JamesWales
What are you proposing instead of capitalism?
Communism?
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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the other bob wilson
I take it this post is a joke.
No Bob. Why, is it only Corbyn who has been criticised by the media is it? Have you looked why they did it? The guy didn't even control his own party. He lost MP after MP, he had his own members saying not to vote for him, he was a weak leader, people didn't trust him on the international stage, he had some extremely dodgy pals, few trusted him on the economy and most British Jews thought he enabled antisemitism.
All of that stuff was going to be (and rightly so) reported on, and when he was confronted on it he handled it badly. There was no grand conspiracy against him.
As I said earlier, the media are too negative and too sensational and like a character assassination but the idea it was some big conspiracy or that it was just done to Corbyn is absolutely false.
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JamesWales
No Bob. Why, is it only Corbyn who has been criticised by the media is it? Have you looked why they did it? The guy didn't even control his own party. He lost MP after MP, he had his own members saying not to vote for him, he was a weak leader, people didn't trust him on the international stage, he had some extremely dodgy pals, few trusted him on the economy and most British Jews thought he enabled antisemitism.
All of that stuff was going to be (and rightly so) reported on, and when he was confronted on it he handled it badly. There was no grand conspiracy against him.
As I said earlier, the media are too negative and too sensational and like a character assassination but the idea it was some big conspiracy or that it was just done to Corbyn is absolutely false.
The fact you picked Farage (is it true that the BBC programme’s name was changed to Nigel Farage’s Question Time a few years ago?) out as someone comparable to Corbyn is hilarious. Come on, admit it - you were having a laugh weren’t you?
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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the other bob wilson
The fact you picked Farage (is it true that the BBC programme’s name was changed to Nigel Farage’s Question Time a few years ago?) out as someone comparable to Corbyn is hilarious. Come on, admit it - you were having a laugh weren’t you?
How on earth is it having a laugh? It's an entirely legitimate example and why isn't it? They are both politicians who look to upset the status quo. You think he gets a good press, isn't subject to abuse? You think Boris wasn't? You think Liz Truss or Teresa May aren't? Or Trump, or Diane Abbott..the list goes on and on. That UKIP example I gave is a shocking example but demonstrates that media criticism goes far far beyond Corbyn. You havent acknowledged the criticisms by the way. Of course the media will pick up on them.
This happened in an election year. Do you think reporting on it is some big conspiracy from the media?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902
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JamesWales
It does. The BBC report has this line: 'According to the West of England Combined Authority website, Norris previously worked as an NSPCC-trained child protection officer.'
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Angela Eagle ....get rid
Nia Griffiths ...ditto
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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jon1959
It does. The BBC report has this line: 'According to the West of England Combined Authority website, Norris previously worked as an NSPCC-trained child protection officer.'
Yeah it points to something wider and more worrying an abuse of power. Innocent until proven guilty etc but its one that sounds terrible so far
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They should throw the book at him if he’s guilty - if he is, then I find it very hard to believe that there weren’t at least suspicions about his behaviour within the Labour Party.
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the other bob wilson
They should throw the book at him if he’s guilty - if he is, then I find it very hard to believe that there weren’t at least suspicions about his behaviour within the Labour Party.
Friend of mine worked with him a little when he was mayor of the West of England. Never said anything remotely close to this but didn't speak that highly of him..more a case of finding him a bit dull/uninspiring etc.
Ironically enough I think he was viewed as a safe pair of hands against Moggy, who presumably would be a front runner for a dramatic return in any by-election if it came to that.
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JamesWales
Friend of mine worked with him a little when he was mayor of the West of England. Never said anything remotely close to this but didn't speak that highly of him..more a case of finding him a bit dull/uninspiring etc.
Ironically enough I think he was viewed as a safe pair of hands against Moggy, who presumably would be a front runner for a dramatic return in any by-election if it came to that.
I doubt that. He's fannying about on GB news, enjoying himself - and the Tory Party is in toxic disarray.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...09-10-mar-2025
If/when there is a by election there my guess is that the Lib Dems v Reform will be the story.
Labour have tanked since the election (even from their shallow % vote then); the Tories are rudderless and down two points from their 'worst ever' result. Labour and Tories both damaged goods.
Reform have surged but are maybe tarnished by the Lowe-Farage feud and tying themselves to the Trump train, and the Lib Dems are lurking in fourth but have improved their status and reputation since the election - and are likely to hoover up Labour (and maybe Green) votes.
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Anybody get a letter about power cuts in Wales?
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Wales-Bales
Anybody get a letter about power cuts in Wales?
No, but I've had the rates bill 😭
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Re: How do Labour voters feel about the party at the moment?
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jon1959
I doubt that. He's fannying about on GB news, enjoying himself - and the Tory Party is in toxic disarray.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...09-10-mar-2025
If/when there is a by election there my guess is that the Lib Dems v Reform will be the story.
Labour have tanked since the election (even from their shallow % vote then); the Tories are rudderless and down two points from their 'worst ever' result. Labour and Tories both damaged goods.
Reform have surged but are maybe tarnished by the Lowe-Farage feud and tying themselves to the Trump train, and the Lib Dems are lurking in fourth but have improved their status and reputation since the election - and are likely to hoover up Labour (and maybe Green) votes.
Yeah that's a fair point. It may be interesting actually. Typically from a left perspective that kind of area would more be your Libby greeny types than Labour. In fact looking at the result I was quite surprised to see how low they were, but I think there was a degree of a co-ordination to try and get the scalp of Rees-Mogg.
Likewise more of a Tory area than Reform I think. Could actually be very interesting...if one happens of course.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nort..._constituency)
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Liberals , Greens etc and Labour should fight under liberal banner to keep out the nazis
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Liberals , Greens etc and Labour should fight under liberal banner to keep out the nazis
How come you have never mentioned this before?
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Taunton Blue Genie
How come you have never mentioned this before?
I have to keep ensuring the message gets across
It's fecking hard work though boyo
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I have to keep ensuring the message gets across
It's fecking hard work though boyo
I agree, there's a ton of right wing sludge to wade through, Sludge
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Dorcus
I agree, there's a ton of right wing sludge to wade through, Sludge
And once that's been done we have to listen to Yvette Cooper talking total rubbish
The current labour government don't seem to have any presence at all
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SLUDGE FACTORY
And once that's been done we have to listen to Yvette Cooper talking total rubbish
The current labour government don't seem to have any presence at all
It's a good thing they have you as a spokesperson :biggrin:
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She was on BBC breakfast this morning being grilled on the small boat arrivals, which are you 25% year on year.
Gangs well and truly smashed there. 👏
