I'm not a right winger, more of an inside forward with an eye for goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
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I'm not a right winger, more of an inside forward with an eye for goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Stop it! :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
because Communism doesn't work, sent from my £1,000k i phoneQuote:
Originally Posted by stevo
That’s a bit like me saying all right wingers are fascist, racist *****.Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
no you've lost me thereQuote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Since when Brainiac?Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
fair point , the great communist states are, eerr ,
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
yes, my new phone = racism?Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
For me, wing is just something added to a word to continue to drive hate between different factions, let's be clear here, spineless Eric has used it in the context of calling people racist, but he's got no bollox, his innuendo is very clear when you look at his posting history. I dislike most politicians and gravitate towards different politicians on different days and different issues, WB has mentioned, it's a uni party and IMO he's correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Together you are strong
Divided you are weak
"Q"
I note in the Tory graph today, a millionaire is leaving this country every 24 hours, the politics of hate and envy is reducing this countries tax take, why not set a higher tax band for high earners but not a level to make them want to leave the country, is this right or left wing thinking ?
Well, there's a teaser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
A higher tax band for higher earners is 'left'. Angst that rich twats will take their ill-gotten gains to a different jurisdiction where they will pay less tax (as if they don't anyway) is 'right'. How we missed Phil Collins! Describing a desire for redistribution and equality as 'the politics of hate and envy' is capital letters 'RIGHT'.
Together you are strong
Divided you are weak
"Lenin"
You are just doing what you are accusing others of doing with the 'politics of envy'. It's pretty easy to make a case for higher taxes on wealthy people without it coming from a place of envy or hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Rich twats, letting the guard down :hehe: BTW i'm PAYE and may be a twat, but will never be a rich oneQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
We want better housing
We want a better health service
We want better social care
We want better transportation services
The UK via immigration is growing annually at approx. the size of Manchester
etc.
etc.
some thing has to pay for for all the above and more!!, I have no idea if the Tory graph is right but IMO, the country shouldn't be making our wealthy look outside the UK to live and stash their wealth, taking say 35% of a million is better than taking 60% of F/All
Not by choice but i've only ever worked for wealthy entrepreneurs my current and what will be my last employer falls into this bracket i don't begrudge them or any previous employer having a lifestyle that most of us would like if being honest, these entrepreneurs, provide a backbone of employment to those who would never want the responsibility of running a business are prepared to turn up for 40/60 hours per week, do a job and get by O.K, i'm reasonably sure my views on individuals having billions wouldn't be far from yours (when my current employer bins me, tomorrow, next week, next year i have no idea when it will be) i've promised Doris that i'm going to call it a day and put my feet up i rarely keep my promises though!!!
Phil Collins, great drummer but ruined Genesis, he did write however, a great song called Driving the last spike, (we can't dance album) his lyrics in this song are stunning and all about working men & women!!!
WE could always Drill baby Drill to generate a bit of extra wonga, but all poiticians (all badge colours) would only divide it it out amoungst themselves.
Not sure if you know who this journalist is, but the Q people :hehe: are anticipating big things because she posted this today she was featured in the Q posts a couple of times.
"follow the pen"
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4 pages of discussion about right v left
Some good,some rubbish as always.
One question lads?
Where does the centre come into this equation?
Just asking like
The centre is where the majority of the people reside and it is always shifting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
fair play that nice mr lenin was very considerate to anyone who wasn't ''together''Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
A higher tax for higher earners isn't really a left-wing idea. It's pretty across the board and I think the income tax rates in communist countries were typically the same irrespective of income, although I'm sure thats not universal. The top rate of tax under the Tories was also higher than under Blair's Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The issue here though is how to get the tax rate right to maximise income for the state. Tax the "rich twats" too much and they **** off, or don't bother to invest. So it's getting the level right.
I'm not sure calling people rich twats and quoting Lenin is the best arguments to demonstrate a lack of hatred, but there we go.
Can confirm I definitely didn't miss Phil Collins!
I don't miss Phil Collins either - although I'm not sure he flounced when he said he would (after the 1997 election).Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Also I didn't quote Lenin. The words are supposed to be from Q - the alt right shaman much beloved by some on here (and name dropped for a reaction by Heath). It just amused me to pretend Vladimir Ilych was the source (because it sounds credible).
I wonder how all those countries with higher tax rates (personal and corporate) than the UK manage to survive? A quick google check throws up most of Scandinavia, half a dozen European states that seem to be doing fine, and a few East Asian success stories. Maybe the tax rates are not the whole story? Maybe there are other reasons people choose to work and pay tax in a particular country? Maybe where there is more of a collectivist culture and an experience of good quality infrastructure and public services even the rich twats choose to stay and join in?
are Scandinavian countries realising mass immigration is not good for them ? sure i read it in the graneadQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The point is: 'are they seeing mass emigration of very high earners', and if so why has that not caused the economic disaster that some predict in the UK if tax rates are high.Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
Can't see a doctor ? That's because most work 3 days a week, a few 4. With NI and a top slice of 45% tax, above a certain level you're working for less than half your salary. Airlines offer 60% and 80% contracts to captains for the same reason. Hospital consultants the same. If people can chose how much to work, they will, the same as choosing where to live..Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Err, that’s not the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Not sure, but Sweden has cut their income tax rates in recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The reality is, particularly within the EU, that states do compete on taxes. With such a laissez faire economic system, tax rates are a key area of competition.
Perhaps the most famous example being Irelands low corporate tax rates.
or, the point is they are removing people who only take from the system, thus keeping the very high earners happy their money is going to their fellow vikingsQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959