FT: NORTH MACEDONIA 1 - 1 WALES. Match thread

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Originally Posted by City123

Joe Allen, one of the most overrated players we've ever had

Time to retire son

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Time to retire from watching football for you I reckon, clueless

EDIT, I've just seen your other post

EMOTIONS ARE HIGH :hehe:

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Originally Posted by City123

I think Allen was a good player

I also think he's been overrated by fans/media putting him alongside Bale & Ramsey as Wales "trinity", in reality he's nowhere near either of those and much closer to someone like Ashley Williams or Ledley

I also think its time for him to retire, or he shouldn't be picked for Wales when he can't even get into Swansea's team

I also may have written that in haste/annoyance :thumbup:

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You did 😂👍

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Fckkng useless Jack bastard.

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Lame. He's playing for Wales not Swansea

Brilliant play by Joe Allen as the goal ran down the clock while simultaneously lulling North Macedonia into a false sense of security.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Time to retire from watching football for you I reckon, clueless

EDIT, I've just seen your other post

EMOTIONS ARE HIGH :hehe:

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If we can allow Allen a howler, we can allow City 123 as well 😁

Great servant but WTF was Joe Allen doing, and more so why was he on the pitch at all - Rambo has played more minutes than him this season. Bellers needs to learn from this.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

If we can allow Allen a howler, we can allow City 123 as well ��

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I don't think Allen could see the Macedonia player, although happy to be corrected.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Time to retire from watching football for you I reckon, clueless

EDIT, I've just seen your other post

EMOTIONS ARE HIGH :hehe:

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:hehe: :hehe:

Why do it to ourselves. I'm taking up knitting.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I don't think Allen could see the Macedonia player, although happy to be corrected.

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He's tried to play a safe pass, as he's afraid to make a mistake for me. I've been there, he's second guessed the ball forward. He's done, thank God we got away with that.

Thoroughly enjoyed this game - in stark contrast to boring, boring England.
Thought Wales were the better team, but a draw felt like a fair result.
Even Mrs Cyclops was shouting when Brooks scored.
How on earth did that Mace player miss his kick at the end?
A great watch!

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I don't think Allen could see the Macedonia player, although happy to be corrected.

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Possibly not, but it's a loose pass regardless. Allen was also at fault against Iran, from memory, so I'm not buying Ashley William's idea that he is 'allowed' one mistake for Wales.

Great technique from Brooks for the goal though, he placed that beautifully. Some great build up play and passing from Wales tonight too and a point isn't a bad result after everything.

Bellers is doing a great job but he should never have brought J A back into the squad. A fine player in his prime but at 35 it's time to call it a day.

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Originally Posted by caerkid

Possibly not, but it's a loose pass regardless. Allen was also at fault against Iran, from memory, so I'm not buying Ashley William's idea that he is 'allowed' one mistake for Wales.

Great technique from Brooks for the goal though, he placed that beautifully. Some great build up play and passing from Wales tonight too and a point isn't a bad result after everything.

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Brooks technique and calmness was so good that he even incorporated a nutmeg for extra measure......... The ball Allen played looked like a ball he would play at club level, a sort of automatic reaction, a knowing pass ort of thing, who knows.... i don't particularly like the grief he is getting from some, if it had been Ramsey then the reaction would have been very different on here. ome people are pissed i reckon because Allen was included in the squad above other players..

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I don't think Allen could see the Macedonia player, although happy to be corrected.

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He could have played the ball to his left Welsh player there

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

Bellers is doing a great job but he should never have brought J A back into the squad. A fine player in his prime but at 35 it's time to call it a day.

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Maybe not, but in nearly 200 minutes of football, Allen took part in around 15 of those, it didn't quite go to plan, but his remit would have been to keep it simple, he didn't, although he built a career playing that way. I tend to agree with what you are saying, and maybe Bellamy was being a bit to clever for his own good, but it's not the daftest thing i've ever seen from a football manager.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

He could have played the ball to his left Welsh player there

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He didn't though, although maybe that was what he was attempting and obviously ****ed it up. One thing i am certain of is that he didn't see the Macedonian player who must have been in an offside position?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Brooks technique and calmness was so good that he even incorporated a nutmeg for extra measure......... The ball Allen played looked like a ball he would play at club level, a sort of automatic reaction, a knowing pass ort of thing, who knows.... i don't particularly like the grief he is getting from some, if it had been Ramsey then the reaction would have been very different on here. ome people are pissed i reckon because Allen was included in the squad above other players..

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I don't think Allen does that if he's match fit/sharp, that's my main gripe about his inclusion in the squad, he's not played since the derby and it showed. Even before then he wasn't a permanent fixture in their midfield

Putting aside a certain City player (who doesn't play enough according to Bellamy), then you have Charlie Savage playing regularly for Reading, hell you even have Will Vaulks and Lee Evans playing regularly. We've seen over the past few years the issues of playing players who aren't getting regular minutes and how rusty they can be, that's particularly true the older they get

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Brooks technique and calmness was so good that he even incorporated a nutmeg for extra measure......... The ball Allen played looked like a ball he would play at club level, a sort of automatic reaction, a knowing pass ort of thing, who knows.... i don't particularly like the grief he is getting from some, if it had been Ramsey then the reaction would have been very different on here. ome people are pissed i reckon because Allen was included in the squad above other players..

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Too right. Bellamy made a big thing of not picking Colwill because he didn’t play enough, then picks and brings on a long past his best Allen. Then he looks to go backwards when we needs a goal and cocks up the game.

Allen is shot, it was a bad decision and an even worse pass. I don't know how he's in the squad, let alone on the pitch. Credit to Bellamey though, he has got what seem like an average squad playing really well.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Think I'd rather Joe Allen not to have played that pass and it finish 0-0 with us being disappointed at not getting 3 points, than us rescue a point like that.

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I completely disagree.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Too right. Bellamy made a big thing of not picking Colwill because he didn’t play enough, then picks and brings on a long past his best Allen. Then he looks to go backwards when we needs a goal and cocks up the game.

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christ, imagine if Colwill had made that mistake instead of Allen

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Originally Posted by City123

I don't think Allen does that if he's match fit/sharp, that's my main gripe about his inclusion in the squad, he's not played since the derby and it showed. Even before then he wasn't a permanent fixture in their midfield

Putting aside a certain City player (who doesn't play enough according to Bellamy), then you have Charlie Savage playing regularly for Reading, hell you even have Will Vaulks and Lee Evans playing regularly. We've seen over the past few years the issues of playing players who aren't getting regular minutes and how rusty they can be, that's particularly true the older they get

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Who knows, i'd have to watch it again, i'm not sure he gets his body in a good position with the ball and he offloads it too quickly. I can sort of see Bellamy's logic with Allen, that's why he only afforded him 10 minutes or so, cool head, very experienced, doesn't need to run, he never has, keep it simple. Almost didn't work out. As for the unmentionable one, Bellamy just doesn't rate him, no more complicated than that i reckon.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Maybe not, but in nearly 200 minutes of football, Allen took part in around 15 of those, it didn't quite go to plan, but his remit would have been to keep it simple, he didn't, although he built a career playing that way. I tend to agree with what you are saying, and maybe Bellamy was being a bit to clever for his own good, but it's not the daftest thing i've ever seen from a football manager.

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His first contribution was to give away a free kick in a dangerous position. I would hate for him to end his Wales career on a negative note.

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

His first contribution was to give away a free kick in a dangerous position. I would hate for him to end his Wales career on a negative note.

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Well, i would have thought this will be his final contribution. I like Allen, but i don't think that Bellamy will select him again.

I was surprised Charlie Savage wasn't in the squad. He has stepped up this season and will be ready to push onto a higher level. Practically an ever present for us this season.