Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
The uk is a broken place anyway losing billions every year, who cares who votes anymore to be honest, another 1.5 million added to the millions of clueless numpties means nothing.
Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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Originally Posted by
goats
The uk is a broken place anyway losing billions every year, who cares who votes anymore to be honest, another 1.5 million added to the millions of clueless numpties means nothing.
I understand the cynicism - but waving a white flag to the UK political parties and the neo-liberal consensus that most of them serve is not the answer.
The Chartists and the Suffragettes will be turning in their graves.
In my view we have a moral obligation to vote. The main parties may have more in common than differences - but the differences are still important.
If we don't like what is on offer, there are ways to change it from inside, or from outside.
Policy changes have been a regular feature of Starmer's first year - brought about by campaigners, trades unions, civil society putting pressure on MPs to defy the leadership.
Starmer is clueless, unprincipled and getting weaker. The Tories are a busted flush. Reform is a bitter and vacuous home for protest. The Lib Dems do bungee jumping. These people know how to play their game but they are not geniuses, they are usually not brave, and they have few roots. We (the public) can achieve change if we want to do that. Like the Chartists and the Suffragettes!
Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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Trigger
Why don't we all just agree that the cons were a shambles and Keir has said "hold my beer". Labour presented with an absolute tap in have gone out of their way to piss off as many people as possible, Keir and co can't be this incompetent, it has to be part of some grand plan surely.
They will win Welsh votes though so all good.
All the polls so far predict a plaid win but not enough to form government with reform coming second - if predictions are right plaid might have to form a three party coalition to have a chance of some element of power
Assuming the polls are out and reform win they would also have to form a coalition but with who is the question
I think the increase in seats and a change to the voting system is creating a completely different political landscape in Wales for next years elections
Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
All the polls so far predict a plaid win but not enough to form government with reform coming second - if predictions are right plaid might have to form a three party coalition to have a chance of some element of power
Assuming the polls are out and reform win they would also have to form a coalition but with who is the question
I think the increase in seats and a change to the voting system is creating a completely different political landscape in Wales for next years elections
All indications suggest that the next generation of UK governments (national and regional) will be Joseph's coat of many colours. That won't make for easy bedfellows and the electorate is likely to become yet more frustrated.
Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
All the polls so far predict a plaid win but not enough to form government with reform coming second - if predictions are right plaid might have to form a three party coalition to have a chance of some element of power
Assuming the polls are out and reform win they would also have to form a coalition but with who is the question
I think the increase in seats and a change to the voting system is creating a completely different political landscape in Wales for next years elections
Plaid winning? Jesus really? No chance surely? It’s bad enough kids have to drop decent subjects and do two Welsh GCSE’s now for no reason due to these nationalist clowns, imagine they had full control…..begs belief
Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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Originally Posted by
goats
Plaid winning? Jesus really? No chance surely? It’s bad enough kids have to drop decent subjects and do two Welsh GCSE’s now for no reason due to these nationalist clowns, imagine they had full control…..begs belief
Got to be better than the Reform lunatics.
Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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Originally Posted by
goats
The uk is a broken place anyway losing billions every year, who cares who votes anymore to be honest, another 1.5 million added to the millions of clueless numpties means nothing.
Agreed, we vote due to some distant guilty feeling of duty because, “people died for our vote”. In reality our votes count for nothing. The elite continue to do what they want regardless.
Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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splott parker
Isn’t it something like we’ve had a Tory government for 32 of the last 45 years? It seems to be a patttern that the Conservatives ride roughshod over us, people eventually get pissed off and Labour get in for a short while. The right wing media, millionaires & billionaires put the boot in, with huge smear campaigns, concerned that a bit of fairness may start kicking in, hoodwinking the gullible and the Tories get back in for another nest feathering period.
I am with you here Steve.
Spedger
Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
I understand the cynicism - but waving a white flag to the UK political parties and the neo-liberal consensus that most of them serve is not the answer.
The Chartists and the Suffragettes will be turning in their graves.
In my view we have a moral obligation to vote. The main parties may have more in common than differences - but the differences are still important.
If we don't like what is on offer, there are ways to change it from inside, or from outside.
Policy changes have been a regular feature of Starmer's first year - brought about by campaigners, trades unions, civil society putting pressure on MPs to defy the leadership.
Starmer is clueless, unprincipled and getting weaker. The Tories are a busted flush. Reform is a bitter and vacuous home for protest. The Lib Dems do bungee jumping. These people know how to play their game but they are not geniuses, they are usually not brave, and they have few roots. We (the public) can achieve change if we want to do that. Like the Chartists and the Suffragettes!
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Re: Voting age to be lowered to 16 by next general election
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
I understand the cynicism - but waving a white flag to the UK political parties and the neo-liberal consensus that most of them serve is not the answer.
The Chartists and the Suffragettes will be turning in their graves.
In my view we have a moral obligation to vote. The main parties may have more in common than differences - but the differences are still important.
If we don't like what is on offer, there are ways to change it from inside, or from outside.
Policy changes have been a regular feature of Starmer's first year - brought about by campaigners, trades unions, civil society putting pressure on MPs to defy the leadership.
Starmer is clueless, unprincipled and getting weaker. The Tories are a busted flush. Reform is a bitter and vacuous home for protest. The Lib Dems do bungee jumping. These people know how to play their game but they are not geniuses, they are usually not brave, and they have few roots. We (the public) can achieve change if we want to do that. Like the Chartists and the Suffragettes!
Well put so true
