US Election - Trump Wins

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Originally Posted by Silures

Congratulations president trump. Would have got my vote if I was from the u.s. he seems very keen on the uk, so that can only be Good for us. Also reigning in Russia with better relations, can also only be a good thing.

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He's Tsar of Russia too? That's some payback from Putin!

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Originally Posted by Silures

Congratulations president trump. Would have got my vote if I was from the u.s. he seems very keen on the uk, so that can only be Good for us. Also reigning in Russia with better relations, can also only be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

He's Tsar of Russia too? That's some payback from Putin!

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He's just giving a weather report.

I blame the Colonel for Trump's victory. There was a lot of misinformation emanating from the Colonel early on in this thread. It caused confusion in the rust belt and things never recovered from there.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

I blame the Colonel for Trump's victory. There was a lot of misinformation emanating from the Colonel early on in this thread. It caused confusion in the rust belt and things never recovered from there.

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I'm making CCMB great again.

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Originally Posted by Silures

The lying Bully Corbyn and that evil dyke racist slag side kick of his you mean? There is no one more nastier than that pair

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Idiot. :biggrin:

My Croesy detecting radar makes a humming noise on seeing Silures posts.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

My Croesy detecting radar makes a humming noise on seeing Silures posts.

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Who the **** is crosey?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

My Croesy detecting radar makes a humming noise on seeing Silures posts.

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:hehe:

There will be a lot of that in the weeks to come. :-)

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Originally Posted by Whisperer

The American Nation has spoken. When the forgotten get a voice don't be surprised with their message.
Just like Brexit there is a world outside the cosmopolitan major cities. The smaller less glamourous states who have never had a voice till now, right or wrong they have now been heard and the message is change for good or bad we are yet to see.

Power to the people.

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it was always worth a shot for them, nothing to lose and maybe a little to gain, who knows maybe trump will impose import tariffs and the US will reverse the rot that has taken hold, maybe just maybe they can rebuild manufacturing again

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

Idiot. :biggrin:

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Idiot for telling it like it is. Diane the slag Abbott is a rancid slag racist and Corbin is nothing but a lying bully

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

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There will be a lot of that in the weeks to come. :-)

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Seems like he's been living on the internet to long and has gone all paranoid. Thinks everyone is the same person

^^ ^^ :biggrin:
Idiot!

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

^^ ^^ :biggrin:
Idiot!

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Dickead hehehe ^^^^^^

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Originally Posted by Silures

Dickead hehehe ^^^^^^

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This.

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Originally Posted by Silures

Dickead hehehe ^^^^^^

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well you're obviously not fresh in from the outside world!! chris :sherlock:

Anyone who is content with Trump becoming president is an absolute disgrace to this forum and this football club

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Originally Posted by Zenith

Anyone who is content with Trump becoming president is an absolute disgrace to this forum and this football club

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Zenith

Anyone who is content with Trump becoming president is an absolute disgrace to this forum and this football club

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Who else should they have voted for? Sanders got nobbled.

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Originally Posted by Zenith

Anyone who is content with Trump becoming president is an absolute disgrace to this forum and this football club

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Who else should they have voted for? Sanders got nobbled.

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Now that the American electoral college has given us Trump I think Bernie Sanders' has set the right tone - let him get on with it but no free pass (and that includes peaceful demonstrations):


"Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media.

People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids – all while the rich become very much richer.

To the degree that Mr Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him.

To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him".

Anyone who believes Trumps pre election persona will relate much to President Trump doesn't now much about politics.
He will tone it down , he wont cut off China , he wont bring the jobs home as it isnt feasible. I could go on.
The President is a figure head not someone in total control of the country.

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Originally Posted by Zenith

Anyone who is content with Trump becoming president is an absolute disgrace to this forum and this football club

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Go **** yourself.

I am not going to defend Donald Trump, I would never vote for him in an ordinary election but this was no ordinary election. The thought of Hillary Clinton is as shocking, if not more shocking than Trump. I think Trump will surprise many on here to be quite a competent president. I am content with Trump as president, I am not thrilled or happy about the outcome but he won't be as bad as you think, much like Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Anyone who believes Trumps pre election persona will relate much to President Trump doesn't now much about politics.
He will tone it down , he wont cut off China , he wont bring the jobs home as it isnt feasible. I could go on.
The President is a figure head not someone in total control of the country.

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As long as he builds a wall then nothing else matters.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

I don't think she did give anywhere near as much back. Your point about the working class being left behind is an interesting one. Are they? Clinton won more of the popular vote than Trump amongst the poorest. Trump won more of the popular vote than Clinton amongst the most affluent.
I think the white male blue collar vote was strongly fuelled and anti immigration. So globalisation has played a part.

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She called nearly half the country a "basket of deplorables" and "irredeemable". Very nasty. She also refused to say something nice about Trump during one of the debates and generally mocked him throughout.

Those stats you gave me are heavily skewed by racial factors (most will be working class), 8% of black people voted Trump, surprisingly 29% of hispanics voted for Trump. You will find the elites in America almost exclusively backed Clinton. You only have to look at Trump largely having to self fund his campaign compared to Clinton who received obscene donations from Soros and co. Also take a look at Hollywood, the media luvvies exclusively backed Clinton, in fact the highest profile endorsements Trump received were iron Mike Tyson and Gary Busey.

I found this election fascinating. As you probably know, America is like two countries, Rural Vs Urban. I have first hand experience of the differences, I was lucky enough to be able to work in America for three months shortly after Obama was elected in 2008. I was based in Milwaukee but regularly had to go "upstate" to the sticks. I listened to talk radio the whole time I was there, I was surprised by the liberal nature of the content in Milwaukee but when I traveled outside of the city the stations were quite terrifying, angry and the hatred of Obama was palpable. This wasn't even the deep south.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Anyone who believes Trumps pre election persona will relate much to President Trump doesn't now much about politics.
He will tone it down , he wont cut off China , he wont bring the jobs home as it isnt feasible. I could go on.
The President is a figure head not someone in total control of the country.

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It's a fair point, but Trump isn't a politician. Whether you think Obama was a good president or not, he had the statesman aura about him, and Trump needs to find that.

His victory speech was good though, and that's all we have to go on so far.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Now that the American electoral college has given us Trump I think Bernie Sanders' has set the right tone - let him get on with it but no free pass (and that includes peaceful demonstrations):


"Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media.

People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids – all while the rich become very much richer.

To the degree that Mr Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him.

To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him".

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It's interesting that American politicians always bang on about looking after their middle class whereas here it's all about hard-working families (who are presumably not middle class in the main).

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

She called nearly half the country a "basket of deplorables" and "irredeemable". Very nasty. She also refused to say something nice about Trump during one of the debates and generally mocked him throughout.

Those stats you gave me are heavily skewed by racial factors (most will be working class), 8% of black people voted Trump, surprisingly 29% of hispanics voted for Trump. You will find the elites in America almost exclusively backed Clinton. You only have to look at Trump largely having to self fund his campaign compared to Clinton who received obscene donations from Soros and co. Also take a look at Hollywood, the media luvvies exclusively backed Clinton, in fact the highest profile endorsements Trump received were iron Mike Tyson and Gary Busey.

I found this election fascinating. As you probably know, America is like two countries, Rural Vs Urban. I have first hand experience of the differences, I was lucky enough to be able to work in America for three months shortly after Obama was elected in 2008. I was based in Milwaukee but regularly had to go "upstate" to the sticks. I listened to talk radio the whole time I was there, I was surprised by the liberal nature of the content in Milwaukee but when I traveled outside of the city the stations were quite terrifying, angry and the hatred of Obama was palpable. This wasn't even the deep south.

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You secured a job in America eight years ago? Let's see, you were aged 84 then. What were you, a fecking wheelchair tester?! 8% of blacks and 29% of Hispanics voted for Trump, you say. Pollsters' credibility is in the dirt following yesterday and Brexit but assuming those figures are broadly correct, which they likely are, the huge majority amongst those ethnicities probably feared Trump's pledge to return jobs to the USA with the expectancy they secure work instead of gobbling government cheese for no effort other than to drop sprogs at intervals. I was surprised that enough white heterosexuals remained in the critical swing states to push Trump over the line.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

It's interesting that American politicians always bang on about looking after their middle class whereas here it's all about hard-working families (who are presumably not middle class in the main).

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Doesn't 'middle class' mean something different in America?

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

She called nearly half the country a "basket of deplorables" and "irredeemable". Very nasty. She also refused to say something nice about Trump during one of the debates and generally mocked him throughout.

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No - she called half the Trump supporters a 'basket of deplorables' and 'irredemable' (i.e people who are racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic). When she made those comments - a serious mistake for many reasons - she was talking about the people who were actively supporting Trump during the election campaign, not future voters. So not 'half the country' - just half the Trump activists!

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/09/po...f-deplorables/

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Originally Posted by surge

Was that genuinely in response to my post or using my post to make a general point? My point was about how Trump campaigned and won anyway (which could have scary impact on the world) regardless of what he'll do as president.



Unless it is a truly dodgy system it seems unlikely a leader could be elected on 75% of the vote let alone 95% plus. However, there is a difference between the way Trump has campaigned and the policies he has announced as key (climate change being a myth etc.) and most political leaders when they are on the opposite side of the spectrum to an individual.

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No, not having a go at you bruv - I totally agree with you about how crass his campaign was. We'll just have to wait and see if a crass campaign translates into a crass presidency. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Go **** yourself.

I am not going to defend Donald Trump, I would never vote for him in an ordinary election but this was no ordinary election. The thought of Hillary Clinton is as shocking, if not more shocking than Trump. I think Trump will surprise many on here to be quite a competent president. I am content with Trump as president, I am not thrilled or happy about the outcome but he won't be as bad as you think, much like Brexit.

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Sorry to break it to you mate, but you're defending Donald Trump there. Now go **** yourself.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Go **** yourself.

I am not going to defend Donald Trump, I would never vote for him in an ordinary election but this was no ordinary election. The thought of Hillary Clinton is as shocking, if not more shocking than Trump. I think Trump will surprise many on here to be quite a competent president. I am content with Trump as president, I am not thrilled or happy about the outcome but he won't be as bad as you think, much like Brexit.

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Brexit hasn't happened just so you know

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

She called nearly half the country a "basket of deplorables" and "irredeemable". Very nasty. She also refused to say something nice about Trump during one of the debates and generally mocked him throughout.

Those stats you gave me are heavily skewed by racial factors (most will be working class), 8% of black people voted Trump, surprisingly 29% of hispanics voted for Trump. You will find the elites in America almost exclusively backed Clinton. You only have to look at Trump largely having to self fund his campaign compared to Clinton who received obscene donations from Soros and co. Also take a look at Hollywood, the media luvvies exclusively backed Clinton, in fact the highest profile endorsements Trump received were iron Mike Tyson and Gary Busey.

I found this election fascinating. As you probably know, America is like two countries, Rural Vs Urban. I have first hand experience of the differences, I was lucky enough to be able to work in America for three months shortly after Obama was elected in 2008. I was based in Milwaukee but regularly had to go "upstate" to the sticks. I listened to talk radio the whole time I was there, I was surprised by the liberal nature of the content in Milwaukee but when I traveled outside of the city the stations were quite terrifying, angry and the hatred of Obama was palpable. This wasn't even the deep south.

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The second half of your post is doubtless true. Clinton won the vote in 31 out of 35 Cities yet outside of these urban areas in small towns and rural areas she did very badly. I think you can day the same for the UK to an extent. In respect to the first part of your post it seems a very mixed picture. Clinton has not done as well as expected amongst the female vote,Afro Caribbeans and Hispanics. I am pretty certain Sanders would have done considerably better.

I think that a World Leader ought to be able to conduct themselves with a modicum of decorum?!

Trump has been the worst example of 'prospective World leader' that I can ever remember - by some stupendous margin.
I hope the ugly President elect has not set some ugly electoral precedent...

Yes, President Trump will be different will be different to Candidate Trump.

But what has been seen , cannot be unseen. Nor erased.

The people have spoken. The system returned Donald. It is what it is.
Let's hope Donald is a stooge (deary me .. what a wish ..!) , like most other recent-day Presidents undoubtedly have been, and that he gets some swift lessons on decorum and diplomacy.

Personally, I am glad that Washington has been supposedly turned upside down. I'm only (very) disapointed to see that it was Trump.

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

I think that a World Leader ought to be able to conduct themselves with a modicum of decorum?!

Trump has been the worst example of 'prospective World leader' that I can ever remember - by some stupendous margin.
I hope the ugly President elect has not set some ugly electoral precedent...

Yes, President Trump will be different will be different to Candidate Trump.

But what has been seen , cannot be unseen. Nor erased.

The people have spoken. The system returned Donald. It is what it is.
Let's hope Donald is a stooge (deary me .. what a wish ..!) , like most other recent-day Presidents undoubtedly have been, and that he gets some swift lessons on decorum and diplomacy.

Personally, I am glad that Washington has been supposedly turned upside down. I'm only (very) disapointed to see that it was Trump.

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Yep if only it was Sanders that had turned Washington upside down.

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Originally Posted by Zenith

Sorry to break it to you mate, but you're defending Donald Trump there. Now go **** yourself.

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Not going to defend his previous actions and the way he as conducted himself during the campaign, he's probably said about 10 different things that on there own would disbar him from continuing his campaign. What I don't like is belters like you telling people they are a disgrace for being content, I was relieved it wasn't Hillary and wished it was Bernie. In the context of the two horse race that is the presidential race of course I am content with Trump.

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Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2

Brexit hasn't happened just so you know

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Fully aware of that but when it does happen it won't be as bad as you fear. :thumbup:

I'm fed up with liberal hand wringing and leftie fear mongering, it's never as bad as they make out, never.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird since 1948

Fully aware of that but when it does happen it won't be as bad as you fear. :thumbup:

I'm fed up with liberal hand wringing and leftie fear mongering, it's never as bad as they make out, never.

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I dont think you have been very generous with your demographic there! - but I hope you are right.

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

I think that a World Leader ought to be able to conduct themselves with a modicum of decorum?!

Trump has been the worst example of 'prospective World leader' that I can ever remember - by some stupendous margin.
I hope the ugly President elect has not set some ugly electoral precedent...

Yes, President Trump will be different will be different to Candidate Trump.

But what has been seen , cannot be unseen. Nor erased.

The people have spoken. The system returned Donald. It is what it is.
Let's hope Donald is a stooge (deary me .. what a wish ..!) , like most other recent-day Presidents undoubtedly have been, and that he gets some swift lessons on decorum and diplomacy.

Personally, I am glad that Washington has been supposedly turned upside down. I'm only (very) disapointed to see that it was Trump.

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Obamas diplomacy was shameless appeasement (Iran), empty threats and punitive economic penalties (Russia) willful ignorance (Iraq) and bombs and mortars (Libya, Syria). He was deeply unpopular among many leaders across the world. The notion that Obama has been anything other than a disaster in the field of world diplomacy is laughable, Trump may prove to be a lot better. The continuation of American aggression in the world was one of the main reasons I was hopeful Clinton wouldn't get her grubby hands on the presidency.

The most amount of sense he ever made during the campaign was on foreign policy, his incompetencies are at home.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Doesn't 'middle class' mean something different in America?

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Middle class normally indicates a College education which would in-turn hopefully mean a fairly professional job

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

My Croesy detecting radar makes a humming noise on seeing Silures posts.

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