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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
We have a tracing system - which doesn't work.
we have been mass testing - too late and not to the levels we should have been
Oh well in that case we may as well scrap them both and just do without, as they clearly not up to your high standards! Doh!
200,000 tests on kids under 10 in the last 2 weeks, less than 1% positive. You have to wonder if parents know how to spot if their kids have what’s known as the common cold. What a waste of 198,000 tests, not that any testing is going on eh
Why is a negative result a waste of a test?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Note to self:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
This is the point when you decided that's enough internet for one day.
I read that I have no idea where they get that figure from and find it difficult to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
If it is true then again it shows the bufoons trust in the British people is again a disaster.
Probably what needs to happen is a change of PM and a hopeless bunch of his government and a coalition of the best politicians to get us through this total disaster.
well you're so clever, tell us what they should be doingQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
And if you don't trust the people, how do you make anything work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I'd love to see your answer to that question.
And how would changing the government suddenly change the number of test or the number of labs or the number of people complying with the instructions?
Or make the IT specialist suddenly come up with a brilliant app they couldn't make the day before?
And if you shut down the economy again completely who is going to pay for it all?
If you think that all that will happen then you live in a dream world.
No government could have done much better in an unknown environment, but it is easy to stand on the sidelines and carp.
Mind as this board is for football supporters we should expect that to be second nature to them.
I agree with all of that. Imagine a coalition of politicians doing any better and the public having an instant mind change just because there are a few politicians from a different persuasion or mind set onboard. The mind boggles.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I'm not sure where you have the notion that I'm clever from.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I'm simply aware that the Westminster response to the pandemic was too little, too late. It has seen numerous lies; blame shifting; lack of principles; the wasting of money; unnecessary deaths and we are seemingly back at stage one seven months down the line with a half baked system that isn't working.
Because they are are hard to come by aren’t they? Kids get colds shocker. The fact that only 1% came back positive says it all. More weight to the argument that the youngest don’t really get it. You get back on the whisky lardQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Seven months is not correct more like 10 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
It wasn't just the Westminster response that was insufficient. The public health authorities and the NHS were found wanting as well. The entire system failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Or maybe they had covid symptoms like fever, cough, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Finding out who does and doesn't have covid is important.
Glad you came back and edited the post to get the insult in. Really hammers the point home, doesn't it? Can't believe you forgot the first time!
Naturally people will carp from the sidelines. When things are seen not to work people look for blame.
However, the government is damned if they do and damned if they don't. People say we went into lockdown too late but now are saying the new restrictions are too tight suggesting we should let things get worse before taking precautionary action. People say the government's rules are too complicated but others say they are not clear enough by addressing every situation which would arguably add to the confusion. The government was criticised for allowing passengers from abroad to enter the country but when the quarantine arrangements were introduced that was wrong adding to the destruction of the tourist and hospitality industries. Some are saying the government is ruining the economy which has come about significantly through the cost of the furlough arrangements but others are saying the arrangements should be extended beyond the end of October. Now commentators are saying the new furlough arrangements are not generous enough and that even businesses and workers with no future should be given more money while others believe the government is throwing money away as we will all be taxed to high heavens in order to pay for the response.
It would be impossible for any government to please everybody but there is no doubt this government will be damaged by their response to the pandemic just as Labour was for the financial crisis in 2008 and it seems to me that people would complain whoever was in charge. My own view is that we should all just get on with it and comply with the restrictions government has put in place which up to now isn't happening.
Again your support for your party is admirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
"No government could have done much better..."Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
I think there may be one or two around the world who have.
I agree. But we have a government where the man pulling the strings didnt comply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Agree a completely ridiculous statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Changing the Government now won't make much difference, because the damage has been done in many respects. Maybe a different Government would have made a difference beforehand though. The Conservatives, under Theresa May, mainly ignored the Cygnus Exercise carried out in 2016 and so we faced up to Covid with inadequate facilities and a lack of the required PPE, but I'm certain she would not have gone off on holiday during the month before we went into a national lockdown due to a Pandemic and that she would have attended at least some of the five Cobra meetings Johnson didn't turn up for.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Any Government besides this one would not have got themselves into a position where they ended up falling in behind a special advisor whose excuse for breaking lockdown rules was absurd - the attitude of the public changed after Dominic Cummings' drove almost the length of England to "isolate" and his eye testing fifty mile drive through the Durham countryside, Cummings wouldn't have got anywhere near the sort of position he now occupies under any of the other Prime Ministers of the recent past.
It was this Government that took the decision to move elderly people from hospitals into care homes back in March, this Government that hesitated in bringing in the March lockdown, this Government which has failed to back up grandiose schemes and claims with actual achievement (e.g. the App and track and trace).
I don't blame those who voted for this Government for what has happened this year in terms of Covid, nobody could have seen what was coming in December when we voted, but there were plenty who did as January went into February and February into March, sadly the UK Government conjured up images of Nero fiddling while Rome burned. We've just been unlucky that at the time the worst pandemic in a century hit, we happened to have a Cabinet full of nobodies who were being rewarded for their loyalty over Brexit and, in particular, a Prime Minister wholly unsuited for this sort of crisis.
You think Jeremy Corbyn would have done so much better? Could he have done worse. In my opinion Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Merchant of doom, back again. Apparently the app doesn't recognise NHS tests, but I'm sure hardly anyone goes to NHS places.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Ignore me and keep happy clapping!
It definitely worked last time, we reduced the number of deaths from over 1000 a day to zero and prevented the NHS from collapse!Quote:
Originally Posted by Garth Blue
I think that statement just confirms your personal bias. It would be stretching the imagination to think of anyone who could have done worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Possibly because the post I was replying to was personally biased; his post are very one way showing zero balance. You only have to read some of my earlier posts indicating my criticisms of this government in particular for the way they handled the Cummings debacle. Having said that Labour lost the election because the population at large could not see Corbyn as leader and voted Tory because Johnson was the least worst option. Needless to say I am not a fan of our PM either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Both mine had a temperature and one had a cough, they both had runny stuffy noses also. It’s generally known as the common cold, I think it’s been around for a while. Some parents are able to realise thisQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
You mean they delayed the inevitable from summer months to the far worse, start of 6 months of winter.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Not all parents are as fantastic as you. I remember when your home schooled yours for a couple of weeks and you were telling everyone here how you were doing a better job than the teachers!Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
No, just like what's happened in New Zealand it allowed the Government time to set up an effective track and trace strategy and also gave the NHS time to recover. New Zealand had a strategy of elimination and that's what we should have aimed for.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
It would be very difficult to eliminate, but the UK is an island and that gives an advantage over most other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Yes it would be very difficult to eliminate and of course we have about 15 times bigger population than NZ in roughly the same size area so we are far more congested here. However the strategy itself would enable us to minimise the spread of the virus until such time as the necessary tools were available to live with the virus; the vaccine being the Holy Grail.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
If we continue to pursue the idea of "living with the virus" when we don't have the necessary tools to contain it then we're setting ourselves up as lambs to the slaughter.
I didn't say that, I just think that Johnson is temperamentally just about as bad as we could have in the current position - just as with virtually every party leader i can think of in recent years, Corbyn would have been more diligent and responsible in his approach than Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Hang on a sec, I said that Theresa May and David Cameron would not have done things Johnson did do and has done. Yes, I come at things from a certain slant politically, but what party Johnson is in is immaterial in many ways - his personality and character is ill suited to the position we find ourselves in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
One other thing, I made my reply to what was little more than "ah but what if it had been Labour" style message which, when you think about it, only goes to show how poor this Government has been in handling the virus - using what iffery is usually a sign of an argument being lost or someone who cannot think of anything positive to say about their side.
I don't think his posts show zero balance, far from it. And the reason the Tories were elected in December was because the majority were dead set on Brexit and Johnson had made it the cornerstone of his party's manifesto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
No not a better job, my kids teachers are very good. What I said was the kids seemed to improve a lot with one to one teaching over lockdown, which they did. No doubt a lot would as opposed to 30 to 1 in a classroom. I’m really glad you seem to take in and recall all the stuff i waffle on about one here, I don’t.....:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Which we should have used and closed our borders all summerQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Lardy says the vaccine is the beginning of the end.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
But you can't stay permanently in lockdown,Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Not permanently but as long as it takesQuote:
Originally Posted by Garth Blue
He's right it's the beginning of the end to the problem. Patience is the keyQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
I did say that. It was in response to you saying that if there's a vaccine at Christmas " I’d be happy to sit in for 3 months if it was nailed on this would end once and for all."Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
So happy to see who's right. Will it end once and for all with the vaccine, or will it only be the beginning of the end?
Place your bets.