BreakTheLaw Boris

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

How do you know that he didn’t have COVID when he attended all the piss ups, and how do you know that he didn’t pass it on to someone who later died? After all that’s why “HIS” COVID laws were in place, to stop the spread and save lives. The COVID laws that he continually broke.

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Perhaps he did . He was on life support himself surely the rule in life is for all and perhaps if he has to resign from his job then everyone else who were caught should as a death is death.

Let's be honest this is not about Covid it's about hatred of an individual...

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Brilliant.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

The outpouring of criticism is justified should he resign for a penalty notice no .

There's quite a few worse offenders out there who probably broke self isolation rules resulting in someone becoming very unwell and potentially dying .

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Who are the worse offenders? Perhaps they’ve been done as well, this bloke was on telly every night with scientists either side of him stressing the need not to do the things that he was doing. He’s the Prime Minister for f*ck’s sake, worse offenders!!!! I despair of the apologists for him:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Who are the worse offenders? Perhaps they’ve been done as well, this bloke was on telly every night with scientists either side of him stressing the need not to do the things that he was doing. He’s the Prime Minister for f*ck’s sake, worse offenders!!!! I despair of the apologists for him:facepalm:

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The thing is, it’s “all about hatred of an individual”, there wasn’t all of this fuss when all of those other Prime Ministers were judged to have broken their own
law - oh, hang on, that’s wrong isn’t it. But what about that “silly SNP woman”? What she did was much worse.

The King of whataboutery really has had a bit of a mare today.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Perhaps he did . He was on life support himself surely the rule in life is for all and perhaps if he has to resign from his job then everyone else who were caught should as a death is death.

Let's be honest this is not about Covid it's about hatred of an individual...

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HE WAS NOT ON LIFE SUPPORT :hehe: he was in and out of hospital in a week. Another lie.

Q how many Boris supporters does it take to change a light bulb?

A None. Boris tells them he’s done it and they all sit around in the dark clapping.

Unfit to govern, a liar and a charlatan.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Perhaps he did . He was on life support himself surely the rule in life is for all and perhaps if he has to resign from his job then everyone else who were caught should as a death is death.

Let's be honest this is not about Covid it's about hatred of an individual...

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Vary rarely post anymore but cannot understand your logic, he is the PM of the UK and the rule setter,
he then broke the rules, repeatedly lied about breaking them, got caught, paid the fine and then made light of his offence by suggesting he didn't know the rules, he also lied to Parliament but still you defend the indefensible, unbelievable

27 hours and 7 pages of posts later something called BreaktheLaw Boris gets sent to the Politics Board. CCMB moderation on a plate!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

A message sent to Tom Pick @The Indie

I didn't have a birthday party for my 50th. My partner had died in the first week of lockdown. Instead, my friend came and left a cake on my doorstep. She stood 2 metres away while I cried. She couldn't comfort me. I had to cry alone and she had to watch and feel helpless

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A mother and father wearing hazmat suits had to stand behind a curtain as they watched their 13yr old son take his last breath. They couldn't even show their faces to him. None had covid. That made me angry, and it still does nearly 2 years on.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

A mother and father wearing hazmat suits had to stand behind a curtain as they watched their 13yr old son take his last breath. They couldn't even show their faces to him. None had covid. That made me angry, and it still does nearly 2 years on.

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Two years ago you were calling out anyone who said that Covid was anything other than the sniffles as some kind of naysayer. My sympathies to anyone who had to go through what you described but at that time there was no test and trace, no vaccine and the greatest risk of transmission was in hospitals and homes.

Still Boris Johnson is a nice bloke and it was only a piece of cake so let's move on, eh!

The week in Tory. Read and weep.

https://twitter.com/russincheshire/s...CgAiyqCYDOz7oQ

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Originally Posted by life on mars

The outpouring of criticism is justified should he resign for a penalty notice no .

There's quite a few worse offenders out there who probably broke self isolation rules resulting in someone becoming very unwell and potentially dying .

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Yep and I won't be voting for them to be Prime Minister either.

The calls for his resignation are more about the lie and cover up than the £50 fine, the only reason anyone cares today is because Boris wouldn't be honest and told everyone to wait until the investigation was complete.

You have incredibly low standards if you think the way Boris has behaved over the past few months (/his whole life) should permit him to remain in the post he holds.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Perhaps he did . He was on life support himself surely the rule in life is for all and perhaps if he has to resign from his job then everyone else who were caught should as a death is death.

Let's be honest this is not about Covid it's about hatred of an individual...

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That is such a pathetic cop out, so it is impossible to criticise someone's behaviour now? it's just a character assassination? This is more about being proven right time and time again. Boris is and always was unfit for high office.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

A mother and father wearing hazmat suits had to stand behind a curtain as they watched their 13yr old son take his last breath. They couldn't even show their faces to him. None had covid. That made me angry, and it still does nearly 2 years on.

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This is what pisses me off about the 'everyone broke the rules' bullshit. No they didn't and in most cases, it actually wasn't possible to in a lot of circumstances.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Two years ago you were calling out anyone who said that Covid was anything other than the sniffles as some kind of naysayer. My sympathies to anyone who had to go through what you described but at that time there was no test and trace, no vaccine and the greatest risk of transmission was in hospitals and homes.

Still Boris Johnson is a nice bloke and it was only a piece of cake so let's move on, eh!

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From the off, it was established that in 99% of cases Covid was a danger to those with underlying conditions or over 85. None of these met that criteria. Loudspeakers in Llandaff Fields shouting at decent, law-abiding folk to stand 20yds apart. Nurses dragging mothers, sons, away from dying loved ones. Police patrolling roads checking people are within 5 miles of home. On and on for 2 years. You're dead right I didn't join the 'let's shut the world down' chorus on here.

Second fine incoming https://twitter.com/telegraph/status...broTFdTY4r7c3g

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

From the off, it was established that in 99% of cases Covid was a danger to those with underlying conditions or over 85. None of these met that criteria. Loudspeakers in Llandaff Fields shouting at decent, law-abiding folk to stand 20yds apart. Nurses dragging mothers, sons, away from dying loved ones. Police patrolling roads checking people are within 5 miles of home. On and on for 2 years. You're dead right I didn't join the 'let's shut the world down' chorus on here.

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No you were the "6 people have died all with underlying conditions so calm down you drama queens" chorus. Your ability to grasp the idea that apparently healthy people liberally bouncing against each other might make things worse never creased your brow then so why would it two years later.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Second fine incoming https://twitter.com/telegraph/status...broTFdTY4r7c3g

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This is getting farcical.

In completely unrelated news, tomorrow an announcement will be made that asylum seekers are going to be sent to Rwanda. Now some cynical people may suggest that this is the very reddest of the so called 'red meat strategy'.

Obviously though the timing is just a complete coincidence :hehe:

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

In completely unrelated news, tomorrow an announcement will be made that asylum seekers are going to be sent to Rwanda. Now some cynical people may suggest that this is the very reddest of the so called 'red meat strategy'.

Obviously though the timing is just a complete coincidence :hehe:

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Dehumanising human beings straight from the Farage/UKIP play book. All done by the daughter of migrants.

This Tory government makes me ashamed to be British.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Dehumanising human beings straight from the Farage/UKIP play book. All done by the daughter of migrants.

This Tory government makes me ashamed to be British.

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Is it dehumanising? Or is it a tough measure done in conjunction with another country to actually try and stop the trade in human beings.

You tell me. And given that there are predictions of 1,000 people a day crossing by the summer, you tell me what we do with everyone, where we house them, how we process them etc.

As usual, howls of outrage but zero solutions. And maybe these wont be a solution, but maybe it's also worth trialling it?

I'm tired that there just seems to be this position for some, and they claim the moral highground for it, thats it's okay for thousands to cross the channel from a safe country, to pay thousands to people trafickers, for us to somehow feed and process unlimited numbers, for some to die in the channel etc etc.

The situation needs sorting. How you gonna do it?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Is it dehumanising? Or is it a tough measure done in conjunction with another country to actually try and stop the trade in human beings.

You tell me. And given that there are predictions of 1,000 people a day crossing by the summer, you tell me what we do with everyone, where we house them, how we process them etc.

As usual, howls of outrage but zero solutions. And maybe these wont be a solution, but maybe it's also worth trialling it?

I'm tired that there just seems to be this position for some, and they claim the moral highground for it, thats it's okay for thousands to cross the channel from a safe country, to pay thousands to people trafickers, for us to somehow feed and process unlimited numbers, for some to die in the channel etc etc.

The situation needs sorting. How you gonna do it?

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You think this is about stopping the people who trade in human beings rather than the human beings themselves? How sweet.

tbf this is not novel. Surely there is evidence from the Australian offshoring model to tell whether it is a success and provides value for money or not. At least politicians and others won't claim this as a Brexit prize given that Denmark is exploring something similar can they?

As seems to be the vogue these days personally I see the levels of asylum seeking in this country that is an issue that causes more heat than light. It certainly figures a lot lower for me than the integrity and fitness of the people who are currently governing us and using whatever culture war levers they have to distract from their own incompetence and immorality.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

You think this is about stopping the people who trade in human beings rather than the human beings themselves? How sweet.

tbf this is not novel. Surely there is evidence from the Australian offshoring model to tell whether it is a success and provides value for money or not. At least politicians and others won't claim this as a Brexit prize given that Denmark is exploring something similar can they?

As seems to be the vogue these days personally I see the levels of asylum seeking in this country that is an issue that causes more heat than light. It certainly figures a lot lower for me than the integrity and fitness of the people who are currently governing us and using whatever culture war levers they have to distract from their own incompetence and immorality.

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Yes there is evidence in respect of it, which is probably why they want to trial it.

What is your solution? Or is it cool to let whomever wants to come pay thousands of pounds to criminals and just rock on over? Or should we allow them to apply in France? And then what if those refused just come on over anyway?

Here's that bleeding heart liberal David Davis on the Australian "trial"

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/sta...41123467153413

This is a populist solution seeking a problem. The relatively small numbers of people now disproportionately travelling by boat rather than historically by air because of the hiatus in air travel presents practically no burden on our state, beyond those mega-amplified in the pages of the Daily Mail and Daily Express. Statistically we process one asylum application for almost two in the EU though I suspect with a lot more political noise from the ruling party mindful of its Farage flank.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn01403/

I suspect you are in a small minority of those pleased with this if your prime advocacy is to stop the people traffickers rather than following the xenophobic piper to the ballot box. I accept that I am in a minority in thinking this country is able to manage these relatively small numbers, especially since we seem to have scared Eastern European fruit pickers, lorry drivers and slaughtermen away in enough numbers to create labour shortages in those sectors.

There you go train them in areas of work shortage rather than have them being treated like gorillas in the mist.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Here's that bleeding heart liberal David Davis on the Australian "trial"

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/sta...41123467153413

This is a populist solution seeking a problem. The relatively small numbers of people now disproportionately travelling by boat rather than historically by air because of the hiatus in air travel presents practically no burden on our state, beyond those mega-amplified in the pages of the Daily Mail and Daily Express. Statistically we process one asylum application for almost two in the EU though I suspect with a lot more political noise from the ruling party mindful of its Farage flank.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...fings/sn01403/

I suspect you are in a small minority of those pleased with this if your prime advocacy is to stop the people traffickers rather than following the xenophobic piper to the ballot box. I accept that I am in a minority in thinking this country is able to manage these relatively small numbers, especially since we seem to have scared Eastern European fruit pickers, lorry drivers and slaughtermen away in enough numbers to create labour shortages in those sectors.

There you go train them in areas of work shortage rather than have them being treated like gorillas in the mist.

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You havent answered the question. If we have 1000 people a day arriving by boats seeking asylum, what would you do with them? Does it reach a point that it is ever an issue? Do we build a holding centre? Do we do that regionally? Do we let them work? What do we do if it encourages more?

My point is, you aren't offering a solution. Or you are saying there is no problem at all, which is fine I suppose. I just see a lot of people trying to gain the moral highground but offering zero ways to deal with people travelling in boats and the associated trade in people trafficking.

Is it not worth trying to cut off this gross trade?

The cost: It is a waste of 1.4 billion quid by a government that wont help people with their energy bills.

I’ve got an idea, put them up in The Ritz it would be cheaper.

Wake up Tory voters they are taking you for fools. Blaming immigrants for all the ills in this country is pathetic. It’s not a problem never has been. Get them processed quicker and working so they can make and pay their own way.

Oh and I’ve got another idea, why not send all the drug dealers to Rwanda and some of the other scum bags we’ve got over here instead.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You havent answered the question. If we have 1000 people a day arriving by boats seeking asylum, what would you do with them? Does it reach a point that it is ever an issue? Do we build a holding centre? Do we do that regionally? Do we let them work? What do we do if it encourages more?

My point is, you aren't offering a solution. Or you are saying there is no problem at all, which is fine I suppose. I just see a lot of people trying to gain the moral highground but offering zero ways to deal with people travelling in boats and the associated trade in people trafficking.

Is it not worth trying to cut off this gross trade?

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There's a potential loss of votes if this happens for some parties ?

It costs millions to police and manage the channel folk also die and crimes are committed.

There is a soft argument this is a safer for refugees.

Whose to say it doesn't pit people traffickers off ?.

Whose to say it doesn't brings order and control to a crap system ?

So much criticism no real alternative suggestion ??

This is Brexit Britain.

Control of our borders. So 1000 illegal migrants a day.

Send em to Rwanda. Great stuff.

Will it stop the illegal transport of migrants. Seriously apart from the right wing loons does anyone believe that.

No suprise to see the defence of it and yes makes you ashamed to be British.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

This is Brexit Britain.

Control of our borders. So 1000 illegal migrants a day.

Send em to Rwanda. Great stuff.

Will it stop the illegal transport of migrants. Seriously apart from the right wing loons does anyone believe that.

No suprise to see the defence of it and yes makes you ashamed to be British.

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Isn't this more about democracy if immigration was the only issue which I'm my opinion it wasn't.

Ask all the Welsh voters why they voted out many of them Labour voters or right wing Labour 🤔

So Rwanda can take tens of thousands in the coming years.

James is predicting 1000 illegal migrants a day.

This is going to go well.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

This is Brexit Britain.

Control of our borders. So 1000 illegal migrants a day.

Send em to Rwanda. Great stuff.

Will it stop the illegal transport of migrants. Seriously apart from the right wing loons does anyone believe that.

No suprise to see the defence of it and yes makes you ashamed to be British.

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Whats your solution? Carry on as we are? Keep enriching the global human trafficking trade? Allow everyone in?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Whats your solution? Carry on as we are? Keep enriching the global human trafficking trade? Allow everyone in?

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Have them apply in France for Travel Documents to apply for a Visa to apply for the asylum in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Have them apply in France for Travel Documents to apply for a Visa to apply for the asylum in the UK.

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Are France happy with that? Does France want to attract and house great camps of people destined for another country? What about people who know they will fail in applications(which many of those who arrive do) then carry on and travel across the UK anyway? What do we do with those people? Do we fly them back? Or is that France's job?

I'm not saying any system is perfect, but the current one is repulsive (abused, costly, deadly, enriches criminal gangs, relies on being rich enough to afford the boats etc) and the proposal you advocate has not happened probably for it's own good reasons.

I think a bit of a deterrent is no bad thing. Lots of these people are totally abusing a system designed to help the most vulnerable and that isn't okay.

Worth giving it a trial I think.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Are France happy with that? Does France want to attract and house great camps of people destined for another country? What about people who know they will fail in applications(which many of those who arrive do) then carry on and travel across the UK anyway? What do we do with those people? Do we fly them back? Or is that France's job?

I'm not saying any system is perfect, but the current one is repulsive (abused, costly, deadly, enriches criminal gangs, relies on being rich enough to afford the boats etc) and the proposal you advocate has not happened probably for it's own good reasons.

I think a bit of a deterrent is no bad thing. Lots of these people are totally abusing a system designed to help the most vulnerable and that isn't okay.

Worth giving it a trial I think.

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Perhaps you didn't get it the first time but in the mass of issues that trouble me then people seeking asylum in this country is way down on the list. Millions of vulnerable people are suffering energy and price inflation whilst their incomes/benefits are being eroded. The country is being run by a cabal of self-serving individuals more than willing to break international and their own laws and try to divert attention onto relatively trivial issues because they are popular and pander to prejudice.

I can see why you haver taken up the Tory banner and feel more comfortable defending their policies rather than your dalliances with Respect and the Liberal Democrats though!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Is it dehumanising? Or is it a tough measure done in conjunction with another country to actually try and stop the trade in human beings.

You tell me. And given that there are predictions of 1,000 people a day crossing by the summer, you tell me what we do with everyone, where we house them, how we process them etc.

As usual, howls of outrage but zero solutions. And maybe these wont be a solution, but maybe it's also worth trialling it?

I'm tired that there just seems to be this position for some, and they claim the moral highground for it, thats it's okay for thousands to cross the channel from a safe country, to pay thousands to people trafickers, for us to somehow feed and process unlimited numbers, for some to die in the channel etc etc.

The situation needs sorting. How you gonna do it?

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Whatever it is, I’ve a feeling we wouldn’t be discussing these measures today if it wasn’t for Johnson’s fine - it’s as predictable as night following day, Tories in trouble? Out comes the immigration/race card.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Perhaps you didn't get it the first time but in the mass of issues that trouble me then people seeking asylum in this country is way down on the list. Millions of vulnerable people are suffering energy and price inflation whilst their incomes/benefits are being eroded. The country is being run by a cabal of self-serving individuals more than willing to break international and their own laws and try to divert attention onto relatively trivial issues because they are popular and pander to prejudice.

I can see why you haver taken up the Tory banner and feel more comfortable defending their policies rather than your dalliances with Respect and the Liberal Democrats though!

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You have a right to care about the issues you care about, and other people have a right to care about issues they care about.

I don't think it is the biggest issue in the country, but I also think it's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, and personally illegal immigration, abuse of asylum, people dying on dinghies and the enrichment of criminal gangs in the repulsive people traficking industry is something that we should try and solve, even if it upsets a few peoples sensitivities along the way.

You've also failed to come up with any solutions and just wheeled out a few predictable tropes, which doesn't move us forward at all.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Whatever it is, I’ve a feeling we wouldn’t be discussing these measures today if it wasn’t for Johnson’s fine - it’s as predictable as night following day, Tories in trouble? Out comes the immigration/race card.

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I don't doubt some diary rejigging has occured in order to manage the press and get onto a topic the government are a little more comfortable discussing. But I think it's a bit of a conspiracy theory to suggest we wouldnt be talking about this otherwise. It's hardly a new topic and policy announcements typically come with many months preparation, especially given that Priti Patel is actually in Kigali today, which doesn't happen without some organisation.

I think this is all a big problem, it needs solving, and if this works, it's worth trialling.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

You have a right to care about the issues you care about, and other people have a right to care about issues they care about.

I don't think it is the biggest issue in the country, but I also think it's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, and personally illegal immigration, abuse of asylum, people dying on dinghies and the enrichment of criminal gangs in the repulsive people traficking industry is something that we should try and solve, even if it upsets a few peoples sensitivities along the way.

You've also failed to come up with any solutions and just wheeled out a few predictable tropes, which doesn't move us forward at all.

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If the government wanted to murder all of the people trying to seek asylum and I said that I disagreed with that policy; would I have to come up with a different solution or am I allowed to simply oppose the policy without having to do the government's job for them?

That was a rhetorical question.

TL:DR: It's ok to criticise a policy and not have a better one lined up.

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Originally Posted by Tito Fuente

If the government wanted to murder all of the people trying to seek asylum and I said that I disagreed with that policy; would I have to come up with a different solution or am I allowed to simply oppose the policy without having to do the government's job for them?

That was a rhetorical question.

TL:DR: It's ok to criticise a policy and not have a better one lined up.

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I appreciate that was a rhetorical question, but no, you wouldn't have to in that instance.

But then if we lived in a country where the government wanted to murder all of the people trying to seek asylum, the last thing you would do is speak up and question and their policies anyway.

Yes - it is possible to criticise a problem and not have a better one lined up, but such opinions are just substantially less useful than also being able to offer up an alternative.

Here you go, proof that this dog whistle idea will not work and it’s being done in order to fool the Tory right wing loons. https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/st...WmNWElM3qshBFg

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon will be on the front bench soon after being fast tracked as an MP.

Maybe hes too left wing for Boris , Patel and co though.