BreakTheLaw Boris

[cyril evans awaydays]

Are France happy with that? Does France want to attract and house great camps of people destined for another country? What about people who know they will fail in applications(which many of those who arrive do) then carry on and travel across the UK anyway? What do we do with those people? Do we fly them back? Or is that France's job?

I'm not saying any system is perfect, but the current one is repulsive (abused, costly, deadly, enriches criminal gangs, relies on being rich enough to afford the boats etc) and the proposal you advocate has not happened probably for it's own good reasons.

I think a bit of a deterrent is no bad thing. Lots of these people are totally abusing a system designed to help the most vulnerable and that isn't okay.

Worth giving it a trial I think.

Perhaps you didn't get it the first time but in the mass of issues that trouble me then people seeking asylum in this country is way down on the list. Millions of vulnerable people are suffering energy and price inflation whilst their incomes/benefits are being eroded. The country is being run by a cabal of self-serving individuals more than willing to break international and their own laws and try to divert attention onto relatively trivial issues because they are popular and pander to prejudice.

I can see why you haver taken up the Tory banner and feel more comfortable defending their policies rather than your dalliances with Respect and the Liberal Democrats though!

[JamesWales]

Perhaps you didn't get it the first time but in the mass of issues that trouble me then people seeking asylum in this country is way down on the list. Millions of vulnerable people are suffering energy and price inflation whilst their incomes/benefits are being eroded. The country is being run by a cabal of self-serving individuals more than willing to break international and their own laws and try to divert attention onto relatively trivial issues because they are popular and pander to prejudice.

I can see why you haver taken up the Tory banner and feel more comfortable defending their policies rather than your dalliances with Respect and the Liberal Democrats though!

You have a right to care about the issues you care about, and other people have a right to care about issues they care about.

I don't think it is the biggest issue in the country, but I also think it's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, and personally illegal immigration, abuse of asylum, people dying on dinghies and the enrichment of criminal gangs in the repulsive people traficking industry is something that we should try and solve, even if it upsets a few peoples sensitivities along the way.

You've also failed to come up with any solutions and just wheeled out a few predictable tropes, which doesn't move us forward at all.

[cyril evans awaydays]

You have a right to care about the issues you care about, and other people have a right to care about issues they care about.

I don't think it is the biggest issue in the country, but I also think it's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, and personally illegal immigration, abuse of asylum, people dying on dinghies and the enrichment of criminal gangs in the repulsive people traficking industry is something that we should try and solve, even if it upsets a few peoples sensitivities along the way.

You've also failed to come up with any solutions and just wheeled out a few predictable tropes, which doesn't move us forward at all.

You seem to have bundled up illegal immigration, abuse of asylum, people dying in dinghies and enrichment of criminal gangs into one big issue that is resolved by sending certain people legitimately seeking asylum in this country by whatever route they choose to Rwanda.

Illegal immigrants should be dealt with by the law as they are illegal and sent back to whence they came.

Bogus asylum seekers similarly. Though around eight out of 10 people (the one's being sent to Africa that you care so much about their exploitation) have their asylum claims granted because they are at risk in their homeland.

Dealing with criminal gangs making money trafficking people across the channel obviously requires international co-operation based on trust. However this government wants people to hate the French as much as the people in the boats so perhaps that goodwill and trust is in short supply.

Our asylum rules before this dead cat stuff were proportionate and the number of people seeking asylum is proportionate with the amount of unrest in the rest of the world.

Why you think sending trafficked people to the middle of Africa is the best way to deal with what you say is the biggest problem traffickers I guess you will be able to rationalise.

Still it's been about two or three pages since anyone posted about Boris Johnson breaking the law multiple times when he lied about that he had to Parliament so if this is mirrored on discussion groups across the country, job done eh!

[the other bob wilson]

You seem to have bundled up illegal immigration, abuse of asylum, people dying in dinghies and enrichment of criminal gangs into one big issue that is resolved by sending certain people legitimately seeking asylum in this country by whatever route they choose to Rwanda.

Illegal immigrants should be dealt with by the law as they are illegal and sent back to whence they came.

Bogus asylum seekers similarly. Though around eight out of 10 people (the one's being sent to Africa that you care so much about their exploitation) have their asylum claims granted because they are at risk in their homeland.

Dealing with criminal gangs making money trafficking people across the channel obviously requires international co-operation based on trust. However this government wants people to hate the French as much as the people in the boats so perhaps that goodwill and trust is in short supply.

Our asylum rules before this dead cat stuff were proportionate and the number of people seeking asylum is proportionate with the amount of unrest in the rest of the world.

Why you think sending trafficked people to the middle of Africa is the best way to deal with what you say is the biggest problem traffickers I guess you will be able to rationalise.

Still it's been about two or three pages since anyone posted about Boris Johnson breaking the law multiple times when he lied about that he had to Parliament so if this is mirrored on discussion groups across the country, job done eh!

Think that’s a bit unfair, Johnson’s always talking about our French friends.

[Eric Cartman]

You have a right to care about the issues you care about, and other people have a right to care about issues they care about.

I don't think it is the biggest issue in the country, but I also think it's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, and personally illegal immigration, abuse of asylum, people dying on dinghies and the enrichment of criminal gangs in the repulsive people traficking industry is something that we should try and solve, even if it upsets a few peoples sensitivities along the way.

You've also failed to come up with any solutions and just wheeled out a few predictable tropes, which doesn't move us forward at all.

I can't work out why will this stop people from paying for traffickers to get them into the UK.

[JamesWales]

I can't work out why will this stop people from paying for traffickers to get them into the UK.

Would you pay £10,000 or so to a human trafficker who you will never see again for a boat to the UK if you thought when you got here you would be flown to Rwanda and processed?

The idea here is to reduce illegal immigration done via criminal gangs. There is no ideal solution, but doing nothing isnt an option

[Claude Blue]

Would you pay £10,000 or so to a human trafficker who you will never see again for a boat to the UK if you thought when you got here you would be flown to Rwanda and processed?

The idea here is to reduce illegal immigration done via criminal gangs. There is no ideal solution, but doing nothing isnt an option

They will focus their attention on women, children and family groups (genuine or not) thus increasing the risk to even more people.

The fact that women, children and family groups are excluded shows that even Johnson and Patel do not regard Rwanda as entirely safe. Add to that the fact that homosexuality is still frowned upon in that country and you may begin to understand why any decent human being would regard this policy as disgusting.

Sadly we are governed by people with no moral compass or decency and do not value human life.

[JamesWales]

They will focus their attention on women, children and family groups (genuine or not) thus increasing the risk to even more people.

The fact that women, children and family groups are excluded shows that even Johnson and Patel do not regard Rwanda as entirely safe. Add to that the fact that homosexuality is still frowned upon in that country and you may begin to understand why any decent human being would regard this policy as disgusting.

Sadly we are governed by people with no moral compass or decency and do not value human life.

If it helps to break the current cycle of human trafficking then it's worth trying. To do nothing, to tolerate the status quo should be more disgusting to any decent human being. I dont think people have any real idea quite how repulsive and global this industry is, and many people in this country dont seem to care as long as they can just claim some moral high ground and slag off the government.

Is this not what Denmark are doing? If it slows the trade in human trafficking and reduces illegal immigration we should try it.

[Claude Blue]

If it helps to break the current cycle of human trafficking then it's worth trying. To do nothing, to tolerate the status quo should be more disgusting to any decent human being. I dont think people have any real idea quite how repulsive and global this industry is, and many people in this country dont seem to care as long as they can just claim some moral high ground and slag off the government.

Is this not what Denmark are doing? If it slows the trade in human trafficking and reduces illegal immigration we should try it.

Australia and Israel have both tried off shoring migrants - both systems failed and the costs were exorbitant. Perhaps this government should learn from these countries?

The best solution (you'll never fully stop it) is greater cooperation with our EU neighbours, particularly France. Not easy as the French can be awkward buggers (!!) but we need to work diplomatically with all our European allies.

Getting back into the Dublin Convention (and improving it) would be a start.

[Hilts]

They will focus their attention on women, children and family groups (genuine or not) thus increasing the risk to even more people.

The fact that women, children and family groups are excluded shows that even Johnson and Patel do not regard Rwanda as entirely safe. Add to that the fact that homosexuality is still frowned upon in that country and you may begin to understand why any decent human being would regard this policy as disgusting.

Sadly we are governed by people with no moral compass or decency and do not value human life.

Well said.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Well said.

You might think so but clearly you have not been taking LoM's deep philosophical views into consideration. I'll precis:

Bounce around, bounce around, if you don't house a single male asylum seeker, you're a Jack!

[Hilts]

I can't work out why will this stop people from paying for traffickers to get them into the UK.

It wont.