I didn't say I wasn't going to comment. I think it's important that people continue to debate issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I just said it's best to not comment specifically on what you said.
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I didn't say I wasn't going to comment. I think it's important that people continue to debate issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I just said it's best to not comment specifically on what you said.
I agree with you. Don't comment to me. Why not do something useful and comment to your MP and demand our Government stand up for the lambs to the slaughter? If people had adopted your stance in mid 1940s the Holocaust would have claimed even more victims.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
This thread was about an event in Amsterdam, not Palestine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Perhaps thats what has confused you?
I think you were confused because you thought it was Kristallnacht! I'm assuming you weren't in Amsterdam that night given your poor understanding of events but, had you been there, just how many Arabs would you have given a good kicking to demonstrate your loyalty to your Zionist friends?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yes, no one on this thread was there .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
But, a reminder.. Its me quoting the people who run the city and the police force in that city. It's you that putting all your eggs in a basket weaved by Sludge and Owen Jones.
I know that you think that objecting to people being beaten up for their religion makes someone a Zionist but it really doesn't. You need to get off those dodgy websites more!
I've never been on a dodgy website in my life. The only dodgy content I read is your nonsensical bile.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You made a good suggestion earlier to offer no more comment given your insouciance to innocent Arab deaths. You showed a spark of wisdom then but, as usual, your far right psyche reverts to type.
You've indelibly marked yourself as someone indifferent to wanton Arab slaughter: fair enough your extreme beliefs wouldnt permit anything else, but the least you could do is stop bellyaching about a bit of footie agro. At least try to wake up and get a sense of proportion.
All of these posts of yours are dead ducksQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
They are completely ignoring.....as are you , the beating that the Tel aviv fans took after they abused and attacked local people of Arabic descent
Sent home with their tails between their legs
The anti Semitic cobblers is a smoke screen
As is usual on here on almost all the semi political threads it's you and you alone who is the sole defender of all this nonsense and its a hybrid mix of your right wing views and your pathetic ego not allowing you to be wrong
I suppose you giving way to admitting SOME tel aviv fans were ......a little bit naughty .....is about as good as its going to get
No I said I wouldnt comment on your ignorant post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Second time I've explained that now! 👍
What an arse you areQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Owen Jones is an annoying far lefty but he has given a platform to a journalist whose video evidence was doctored to present arabs in a bad light .....and pretend Jewish fans were attacked .....
Never mind me or Owen Jones ......that woman is first class observation
And you still won't admit it's the most telling evidence
You are bleating again with this crap about poor people being beaten up for their religion ......well take a look at the evidence .....its Arabs being beaten up by Jews you idiot
And the second video by the NM journalists ?
They have both danced all over your face and shown the pathetic pro Israeli outpourings up for what they are
But there's nothing ignorant about my post and you continue to comment because you have a warped sense of ethics. My goodness you're more concerned about a few football ultras getting a slap than sweet children having their heads blown off! How do you sleep at night?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Excuse me Owen Jones isn't a far lefty, he's someone who speaks eminent sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Oh here he is. The man who never leaves the UK piping up to confirm that the people who run the city and the police are talking cobblers!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Honestly, you would make an amazing Little Britain character. Like those people in school who said their Dad's knew things that even the govt doesn't know!
Also all of those quotes DO take into account the fact some Maccabi Tel Aviv fans vandalised a taxi, tore down a flag etc. So you are just flat wrong on that too.
But that doesn't justify the random attack of anyone of that nationality or religion.
Your position on this is the exact opposite of the riots in the UK earlier this year.
You are honestly on here saying you know more than the police and mayor of Amsterdam. It's actually beyond preposterous.
Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You need help Sludge, you honestly do.
You, Dorcus and Owen Jones know the truth. The police, mayor and Prime minister clearly don't.
If it helps you sleep tonight to think that, then I am happy to say it!
At last, you see the truth! Rejoice and seek forgivenessQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Jim will say that Dutch journalist is an Iranian plant. Anything to keep him safe in his far right cocoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Do you realise how ridiculous you actually are?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Good one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Not a good one, just a truthful one.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
When you persist in trying to pervert the truth for ideological reasons you will eventually be caught out. And why go to all this trouble I ask myself when you're not even a high tax earner!
You're a strange one indeed!
Okay, you are officially filed under troll now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Nos da ducky
Okay you are officially filed under fascist now!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Buenos Noches Jimbo
Nothing screams fascism like quoting the mayor of Amsterdam, the Dutch Prime Minister and chief of police whilst denunciating antisemitism, ill grant you that. Shocking stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Welterusten, Ducky!
All corrupted by Western support for the Zionist agenda and hatred for Moslems. No wonder they are your support teamQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yes, your bias. I’ve posted two videos, in the first the person doing the filming specifically says that what is on her film is not what the main stream media and politicians are saying it is. The second video shows Sky News reporting what her video shows in one way and then changing it to something completely different shortly afterwards, why? Not only that, the second video has someone else on camera filming the Tel Aviv fans and, apparently, features him being threatened by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I don’t think anyone is denying that there was a degree of violence against the Tel Aviv fans are they, what is arguable is the timing of the events. I’ve posted two videos that suggests that the Tel Aviv fans were the instigators of the problem and so the same defending themselves argument that Netanyahu uses to justify what we’re seeing in Gaza would apply here wouldn’t it - albeit the initial attack was not as devastating as the Hamas one on 7 October was.
Have you read the little exchange above? Some of the stuff posted by Dorcus and Sledge last night to merely for sticking to the facts as reported and not resorting to corners of the internet for gossip were pretty extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We know that some of the first incidents were from Tel Aviv fans, but are you saying that justifies far more serious revenge attacks against anyone as a result?
Why would the politicians and media lie here? Or are we edging into a grand conspiracy theory?
And what is my bias? I'm talking about events in Amsterdam. Why are you talking about Netenyahu?Or are you saying global events can justify local violence against random people? I'm sure you can't be saying that?!
How do we know that they were more serious? Even if they were, you’re showing your bias by arguing that the so called revenge attacks were more serious and devastating than the original attack, that’s contrary to the position you have adopted with Gaza where you’ve defended the Israelis.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
A simple riposte:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
1. Absolutely NO ONE in this thread has sought to justify the violence which occurred in Amsterdam
2. Yes, there absolutely is a political conspiracy to support Israel to the hilt. The attempt to conflate anti-Zionist criticism with anti-Semitism is a Western establishment policy.
3. You can't have it both ways: either we just condemn the events as another instance of football violence and disassociate Netanyahu or we enter into a debate as to whether or not religious and ethnic hatred was involved and in which case Netanyahu's murderous campaign must be taken into account as an important backdrop.
Well five were hospitalised, there were 60 arrests, 7 of which were Israeli. Also the authorities in Amsterdam are quoted as saying so and emphasising the antisemitic nature of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think people need to explain why all of that is untrue and why the authorities are lying before accusing others of bias etc. it's flirting with a pretty big and old conspiracy theory!
Reading though this makes quite clear that the authorities are aware of what happened but not of it justifies what followed. That seems a reasonable conclusion to me.
https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland...aviv~bae84eed/
I dont engage much with the Israel/ Palestine debates because I think it's an impossible situation. I think there's extremists on both sides. It definitely shouldn't be used to justify violence thousands of miles away and certainly isn't a reason to start disbelieving the authorities on the ground.
1. Yes they have. And the very first post on this thread does just thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
2. Totally disagree. The media isn't shy in reporting what is happening in Gaza (and the wet bank and Lebanon) or giving people on both sides a platform
3. I don't want it both ways. I'm saying we should believe what the authorities on the ground have told us. You can't use a global event or someone pinching a flag or vandalising a taxi t justify mass random attacks on people. Tbh I would have thought this is something we would all agree on.
The last two reporters in the clips posted danced all over your face JW
What they said could have been written by any of those trying to answer your pathetic replies on here
It was great to watch Rav Shanker put a foot up your arse and the arse of other stubborn pro Israel stooges.....including western governments and media
You are back again this morning with the same little boys can never be wrong nonsense
That final video by NM news is your nemesis , it came from above , as they say
Best if you move onto another thread now , you have been stuffed 👌
Spot on again , up the creek with no paddleQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Why do you call on people you disagree with to explain themselves, when you’ve done nothing to address the fact (emphasis fact) that two people who videod events on the night have said that those videos featured Tel Aviv fans, not a bunch of anti Semites as reported by the likes of CNN and the BBC. Also, I don’t think there’s been any mention from you as to why Sky completely changed the emphasis of their reporting from what they said originally has there?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Why do you think that an internet video of one incident trumps the opinion of the Dutch Prime Minister, Mayor Of Amsterdam, chief of police etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Will this be your consistent approach to riots now?
The police arrested people on both sides. We know that. But the authorities have clearly stated that this in no way justified what followed.
I'll repeat a selection of the quotes. Not from internet interviews. But from people responsible for managing the city in question who will have full account of details.
Why do you so blithely dismiss it?
Authorities say Thursday's attacks - which caused five people to be hospitalised - were motivated by antisemitism as the fans were sought out across the city."
"We must not turn blind eye to antisemitism, says Dutch king after attacks on Israeli football fans"
"I am deeply ashamed of the behaviour that unfolded," Halsema told reporters. "On Telegram [messaging] groups people talked of going to hunt down Jews. It's so terrible I can't find the words for it."
"The national co-ordinator for combating antisemitism in the Netherlands said a line had been crossed and the "readiness to commit such violence was disgusting".
Prime Minister Dick Schoof said earlier on Monday that "antisemitic attacks against Israelis and Jews" were "nothing short of shocking and reprehensible".
"Halsema and the heads of the Dutch police and prosecution said at a press conference on Friday that violence by “rioters and criminals” aimed at some of the 2,600 “Jewish Israeli visitors” had left five people in hospital and 20 to 30 with minor injuries. There were reports of fireworks set off, people being thrown into canals and some Maccabi supporters being asked for identity documents in order to be allowed back to their hotels."
It's a video filmed by a journalist , that's why it is believedQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Who has been interviewed about it
It's a fact
There is no " opinion " about it
Unlike your twaddle on here
You are an embarrassment to yourself sometimes how you can use the word blithely dismiss about other is perfect in describing your brass neck
The comments about the events by NM news journalists on here are perfect to describe the situation being presented and perfect for describing you
You simply won't accept that even you can be wrong but you are
If you weren't so one eyed you'd quickly understand why a report from an eye witness and journalist who was actually amongst the rioters as the events unfolded would trump anything the authorities would say.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's painfully simple: she was there at the time and she has no ulterior motive other than to report the facts. On the other hand, the Dutch Prime Minister, The Dutch King, the Mayor of Amsterdam and the Chief of Police were not at the scene at the time and received at best second hand reports. Moreover, they all share an ulterior motive which does not permit unbiased assessment.
Like Sludge said your cherished right wing faith has kippered you in this thread
Yes indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Why have sky news initially reported the violence filmed as being poor , innocent (sic) Jewish fans being attacked ?
Because it was local Arabic youths being chased and assaulted by these poor innocent Jewish etc etc etc
What's that abut then jimbo ?
This dangerous nonsense is not too dissimilar to the witch hunt perpetrated on Jeremy Corbyn by the present incumbents of Labour's top table, among others.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
This conflation of anti - Zionism and anti-Semitism (by the way I hate using this term, it's so corrupted) is so wicked it needs to be called out as it's often a ploy used to excuse Israeli excesses.
But I do accept the video. The video feeds into the much wider conclusions that have been drawn, and it is those that YOU do not seem to accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
For you to label anyone one eyed is quite something Sludge!
Well the Dutch parliament is debating anti semitism today and the Dutch cabinet is presenting a plan on Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Quite clearly you, Bob or Sludge need to email over a link to this game changing Owen Jones video pronto cos it clearly undermines what all the supposed experts in the police and government think.
"In The Hague, meanwhile, the Lower House debate has begun on the riots. This comes a day after the Amsterdam city council debated the events of the past week. The cabinet is working on measures against anti-Semitism; it wants to present a concrete plan on Friday."
https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland...aviv~bae84eed/
I think you missed the point. The Dutch government doesn't need any evidence; they have an agenda to maintain.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales