Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
Have you read the little exchange above? Some of the stuff posted by Dorcus and Sledge last night to merely for sticking to the facts as reported and not resorting to corners of the internet for gossip were pretty extreme.

We know that some of the first incidents were from Tel Aviv fans, but are you saying that justifies far more serious revenge attacks against anyone as a result?

Why would the politicians and media lie here? Or are we edging into a grand conspiracy theory?

And what is my bias? I'm talking about events in Amsterdam. Why are you talking about Netenyahu?Or are you saying global events can justify local violence against random people? I'm sure you can't be saying that?!
A simple riposte:

1. Absolutely NO ONE in this thread has sought to justify the violence which occurred in Amsterdam

2. Yes, there absolutely is a political conspiracy to support Israel to the hilt. The attempt to conflate anti-Zionist criticism with anti-Semitism is a Western establishment policy.

3. You can't have it both ways: either we just condemn the events as another instance of football violence and disassociate Netanyahu or we enter into a debate as to whether or not religious and ethnic hatred was involved and in which case Netanyahu's murderous campaign must be taken into account as an important backdrop.