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“Culture associated with the football club” :xmashehe: - you mean scrapping and acting lairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
And because you weren’t interested in going to football to watch football, you find it impossible to contemplate there are those who were and you can’t imagine there are those who look at how Tan and co have pissed away the huge opportunity his money gave us and get annoyed? As i said, absurd.
You find it impossible to contemplate that most of the fanbase don’t care about boardroom politics, ultimately if what you’re saying is so true why are the trust membership numbers staggeringly low ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
maybe not that absurd, people walked away when VT upset them once before :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
agreed, most dont care, they want to see a successful team playing decent football, but if that doesnt happen, they just hope one day it will, its that hope that keep most going backQuote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Or when they sold Toshack.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
You take one line of a long post of mine and seek to make a completely pointless argument which has nothing whatsoever to do with what the message was about :facepalm:. What are your thoughts about the owner of the club making a series of decisions over a decade or more that make it much harder for him to get a return on his, considerable, investment?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I wonder if you spoke to any Wolves, Fulham, Villa or Brentford fans since our Championship games against them in 2017/18 whether they would swap places with you?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
That’s about as relevant.
You gave people not happy with the hierarchy at City two options, buy the club or walk away from it. I suppose that means you think every one still going to games should be like you - perfectly happy to see the team being beaten at home much more often than they win over a period of nearly four and a half seasons, perfectly happy to see the club having seven managers in four years (with a good chance that there’ll be another one before the season is over) and perfectly happy to see the club try to muddle through with a skeleton coaching staff and part timers occupying the senior administration positions. As I said, absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I don't think anyone has been talking about boardroom politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The concern/complaints have been about the lack of a club strategy or even a short-medium term plan; a lack of decision making around the manager position and the coaching staff, and a crap record on communicating with supporters (or customers if you and Matt prefer).
The board and the owner have every right to act the way they do. Fans have every right to be pissed off about it, and not to just walk away (or have a whip around and buy the club off Vincent).
Blue Twat Matt sums up everything wrong with this fanbase
I agree with much of what has been said in this thread: yes, most people don't care about "all that stuff that the owner deals with".
They want to simply turn up, see their friends, enjoy the match, and go home feeling they've had a great day out. They go to the football to forget about problems, not to have more problems to deal with.
But, there are other people who want to see the long-term security of the club being managed, so that everyone can continue to have those great days out. They are willing to ask the awkward questions. They are ready to remind those in charge of their responsibilities.
It's a damning indictment of our current fanbase that supporters who care - those who are trying to hold the club hierarchy to account - get shot at or ridiculed for caring.
It's another damning indictment of our current fanbase that we have people suggesting "if you don't like the way it's being run, then walk away".
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Originally Posted by Crisp White Lines
Excellent post. Well said. Football often gets described as being soulless nowadays. That goes for some fans too.
The sneering, dismissive attitude some Cardiff City supporters have towards the Trust and the other fans organisations would be disappointing if it wasn't so tediously predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crisp White Lines
The fact of the matter is that supporters' groups have saved a number of high-profile British professional football clubs in the not-too-distant past. Clubs such as Brighton, Bournemouth, Luton, Swansea and Wrexham probably wouldn't exist now if their fans hadn't got themselves organised and done whatever was necessary when they were in trouble.
That means nothing to certain individuals, though. They'd much rather criticise and sneer at the fans who do get involved than ever do anything constructive themselves.
Good points well made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crisp White Lines
It’s also pretty damning that after so many weeks of no communication from the club whatsoever all we get is a written critical response about not following some protocol. There were plenty of of opportunities in the past few weeks for one of the management to make a statement about the current managerial situation , even if it was just a holding statement
In reference to your last sentence, just to clarify, you’re the one who started with the snide comments regarding my initial post as did One or two others , what was is “ conspiracy “ and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
What have you done that’s helped the club more than me or supporters who don’t wish to be part of the trust ? I thought you were never watching them again and via various sources you slag off the club and its hierarchy almost daily for the last ten years or so - don’t you think that may put one or two casual fans off ?
Ive has corporate season tickets , and normal season tickets for the last 25 years, bought around £1,000 worth of crappy merchandise for my son per season since he was born , had him a mascot on numerous occasions and attended various off the field events. No big deal , people similar to me do the same and just get on with supporting the club year on year regardless of who’s running it.
Clearly, judging by the trust numbers compared to average gate , it’s a pathway the vast majority of supporters are just not interested in.
Nothing. And I've made no claims of that nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Incidentally, I'm not a member of the Trust and haven't been since 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
You spend £1000 per season on merch for your son?! Surely not, do you mean overall since he's been born?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Who wouldn't want to watch a Brewsters Millions style show where someone attempts to spend a grand a year in the club shop.
That's a lot of paperweights!Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Training tops , three kits , beach towels per year training tops and home and away kits for family members for Xmas year on year ( niece and nephews x 5) , footballs , hats and scarves, and three programmes per home game - how much does all that add up
My maths ain't great, but it sounds to me like that adds up to a lot more than one son.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
The total spent ,which before tax is around the figure quoted ,it may differ by a few hundred pounds ( gross ) per year but shall we just continue with the current thread rather than scrutinise my gross expenditure ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Typically it’s going off track again just because that what posters tend to do just to make a point usually not relevant to actual content of discussion
In fairness, you made a startling claim to have spent £1,000 a year on City merchandise for your son every year since he was born. It's hardly surprising people picked up on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I answered your question in an earlier post.
:thumbup:
You said you spent a grand a year on merch on your son, which seemed mindblowing to me having seen the club shop. Makes a lot more sense if it was on all those other people as well, but I do worry about what's happening to all the beach towels.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
But anyway, like you said, on with the original thread topic
To be honest some seasons I’ve spent insane amounts , especially after a decent win , doesn’t everyone ?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Not me. Never was much of a club shop man, even during the days when I was fully engaged with the club. The odd scarf here and there perhaps, a polo shirt once in while (usually in the end of season sale) and that's about it really.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I'm surprised you are to be honest given some of your posts about clothes, etc.
In the last two days, I’ve watched three City podcasts and read this piece.
https://www.dai-sport.com/cardiff-ci...ut-themselves/
There’s a common theme between them - they were all produced by people who, according to some on here, need to either buy the club or walk away.
I am partial to training gear for around the house ( lounge wear ) or popping to the supermarket etcQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It's also true that he's needed to provide that financial support as we've been so rotten in bringing in players and managers.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
the training stuff if great, ive got a few bits, wear it to all my football stuff, always gets a good response at Bristol City :hehe::hehe: I did a CPD ( Continuing Professional Development ) on Ladies football last year, they had a coach from the US to discuss coaching methods and how it differs from the male game, the other person taking the course spotted my top ( the blue and green one from last year ) and said I had to take it off or he wasnt going to continue with the training :hehe::hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
for the record, just incase this is aimed at me, ive never shot at or ridiculed anyone if they want to protest / moan on here / demand to know what is happening with the manager and the hiring processQuote:
Originally Posted by Crisp White Lines
im just not sure of the point of it, ive come to the conclusion after all these years, the modern elite game doesnt really care about the fans, we are just a customer, I feel the further you drop down the leagues and into non-league, the club has to care more as you really are the group who keep the club going with the money we spend, the Issue is that many clubs in the top few leagues are dependant on the owners money, so if I stop going to watch Cardiff for a season, VT doesnt care, yet I could go and spend that money going to watch Bath city ( for example as that is the closest team to me ) and the Bath ( a community ran club ) appreciate it ( not too much that I can demand to know who is going to be the new manager and what the hiring process is, like some appear to think they can at Cardiff :shrug:) Bath are managerless at the mo
I still get to Cardiff games, but dont trouble myself with the way the clubs being run and what the next crisis will be ( I guess that means some may think that means I am not as big a fan ) this club has always gone from one crisis to the next for along as I have supported them ( in the late 80's ), thats the way it is, I cant do much about it ( I did buy some shares to help sign Kurt Nogan and that didnt exactly pan out as we had hoped ) so I just roll with it, but if it got to a point that I wasnt enjoying it ( as it appears some here aren't ) then as I said, walk away, take a break, who knows the good times might be around the corner and it'll be fun again, life is too short to be that bothered by the latest crisis at CCFC
He must be Omar Rizas old man if he’s spending a grand a year on club merch.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
3 programmes :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
I smell bullshit.
Of course it is. Or at very least exaggerating. And who in their right mind buys things like beach towels, scarves and hats annually? It’s not even as if the designs change each year like they do with kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Hill
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Why the need to bullshit over the programmes , and the amount I spend , it’s around that figure , and the three programmes are for me ( for autographs after the match ) my neighbour and one other for the folder which I keep it in. ( pristine)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vic Flange
The amount I spend is also on other family members as-well ( perhaps I should have sence-checked what I typed if I’d have know the scrutinisation) , it soon adds up. Yet again the point of this thread is getting sidetracked.
If you don’t buy a new beach towel for every holiday ( x 2 or 3) youmust me a skank
Course you do, course you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
£1000 a season on merch, autographs after the match. Are you Dai Hunt in disguise?
Jealous are you ? Family members, presents etc , the training stuff is not exactly cheap , how much do you think three full kits cost with printing, and clobber for extended family ?
Super jealous.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
From clearly stating you spent it on your son “every year since he was born” to extended family members.
Give it a rest Paul Sykes.
Again , it’s what I spend , just accept that, granted I should have worded it better but I didn’t think it was actually that much in the first place