Professional footballer declares that he is gay

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Originally Posted by lardy

No, but the song is aimed at them. And to pre-empt your next smartypants question, no I haven't asked every person who has ever sung it.

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I think we're way past smartypants, we're heading into breakdown territory :hehe:

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.

So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.

In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.

As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.

Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break.

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I note he's responded to you but I think it may help if I collect his thoughts in quotes into one big super quote which may help you understand his approach to this, maybe you could answer the questions within them :-

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not defending anyone or anything.

Do you think football fans believe in everything they sing?

Do you know the intentions of those singing the song? have you spoken to them and asked or are you making assumptions based on what you think may be the case?

For this particular song to have any meaning to you would imply you believe one is lesser than the other. if you don't believe that then its a nonsense song like hey diddle diddle.

and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?

I'm asking why would a hindu get upset about something that has no cultural reference to them as individuals?

I don't think they're random at all. They're picking the English because we're playing an English football team.

(Interjected - But the turban, is random?)

who knows

But for this particular song to have any meaning to you would imply you believe one is lesser than the other. if you don't believe that then its a nonsense song like hey diddle diddle.

if you truly believe all people are equal then why does this song affect you so much?

if he truly believes we are all equal then he must appreciate the song has no meaning

I'll ask again, why would a hindu be upset over a song about a turban?

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Amazing. You therefore can chant racism but not be racist.

F***ing hell mate.

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If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?

Yes giving that race can refer to ethnic and racial groups

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not defending anyone or anything.

and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?

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If you ask the average person on the street “who wears a turban” then you would find out what people associate turbans with.

So much mental gymnastics. If it was real gymnastics, it would be worse than Callum Paterson’s cartwheel celebration. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Yes giving that race can refer to ethnic and racial groups

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So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.

Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.

Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.

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You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I think we're way past smartypants, we're heading into breakdown territory :hehe:

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I think that ship sailed several pages ago!

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.

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"so saying"

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.

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Yeah I'd walk away as well if I was you, you and your chum are making a bit of a show of yourselves

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

"so saying"

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

If you ask the average person on the street “who wears a turban” then you would find out what people associate turbans with.

So much mental gymnastics. If it was real gymnastics, it would be worse than Callum Paterson’s cartwheel celebration. :hehe:

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but you're not average adz, and you know more than most on the subject...so you know only too well that its not just brown people who wear turbans.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

but you're not average adz, and you know more than most on the subject...so you know only too well that its not just brown people who wear turbans.

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You f**king idiot how rude can you be pretending to be this ****ing dumb

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?

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You don't need to help him out, he's doing alright on his own

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I'm not letting my ego get in the way of anything. You're the bigot sludge. you're the one who often proclaims that you hate, nay despise, 17m British people simply because they exercise their democratic right to vote a different way to you.

If you really think that anyone would prefer to be English over Indian, where the chances are you'll be one of the hundreds of millions of the Indian subclass that live in abject poverty (where poverty really means poverty), then you're nuts. Its a song sung at football. It doesn't mean as much as you think it does.

you and the likes of Croesyblue get offended at everything. There is no banter, there is no humour, just offense. And if you get offended, what next? Do all the kids in the stadium get cancer as a result? Who decides what is and is not offensive and whether it should be sung. It certainly is not you. Who decides that no one can say anything that may or may not cause offence. Again, it certainly is not you.

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Aint that the truth .

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Originally Posted by lardy

You don't need to help him out, he's doing alright on his own

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I'm not trying to help anyone out, I am asking out of my own curiosity to see where people are at with it. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.

Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

"so saying"

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

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Last post in the conversation I said "so saying" it makes sense to go with the last quote.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

You f**king idiot how rude can you be pretending to be this ****ing dumb

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enlighten me oh ultracrepidarian

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Last post in the conversation I said "so saying" it makes sense to go with the last quote.

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You started with the question
"If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?"

Makes sense to answer the question rather than a following comment that hadn't yet been made by yourself changing sing to saying.

Makes sense not to ignore the initial context the OP describes it happening in, just because he made a second context - the 2nd doesn't negate that they stated the 1st at all.
It is evident our minds think differently however.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

enlighten me oh ultracrepidarian

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Seriously you read all Adz-a32 said:-

"*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.

So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.

In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.

As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.

Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break."

And you came back with "you know all too well not only brown people wear Turbans".

Does make you wonder whether you had a smile on your face as you typed it.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Seriously you read all Adz-a32 said:-

"*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.

So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.

In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.

As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.

Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break."

And you came back with "you know all too well not only brown people wear Turbans".

Does make you wonder whether you had a smile on your face as you typed it.

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why would I have a smile on my face? do you think racism is funny?

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Originally Posted by Feedback

why would I have a smile on my face? do you think racism is funny?

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I can't believe you would read what Adz wrote then comment what you did without being cool with racism.

It was as if everything was in one ear out of the other.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.

Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

"so saying"

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

You started with the question
"If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?"

Makes sense to answer the question rather than a following comment that hadn't yet been made by yourself changing sing to saying.

Makes sense not to ignore the initial context the OP describes it happening in, just because he made a second context - the 2nd doesn't negate that they stated the 1st at all.
It is evident our minds think differently however.

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I've already explained I was asking due to my own curiosity, so if course previous context doesn't matter.

How is it racist to state (in words or song) you would rather be Scottish than Irish? That's what you've already said on here. That is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

I can't believe you would read what Adz wrote then comment what you did without being cool with racism.

It was as if everything was in one ear out of the other.

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I asked a question of Adz directly related to what he wrote. Perhaps you can tell me which part of Adz's post is acceptable for me to comment on.

I have now unticked all the extra quotes :hehe:

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

I've already explained I was asking due to my own curiosity, so if course previous context doesn't matter.

How is it racist to state (in words or song) you would rather be Scottish than Irish? That's what you've already said on here. That is ridiculous.

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Is singing a taunt regarding one ethnicity being more favourable (implied by the tone of the song better) than another one should they be put up for choice racist or not?

Yes. End of. You came in the first instance asking me if signing it was racist, you had your answer and decided I had not been addressing your suggestion of singing but saying "So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist." <- (not put as a question you drew this statement from what you had gathered from my answer specifically regarding singing it - when that content wasn't there).

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Originally Posted by Feedback

but you're not average adz, and you know more than most on the subject...so you know only too well that its not just brown people who wear turbans.

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But it is the average person who would sing the song. Probably most of those who sing it would have lower social capital than most and think brown people of all types and ethnicities wear turbans.

They are the ones who are making the (implied) message.

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Originally Posted by Feedback

I asked a question of Adz directly related to what he wrote. Perhaps you can tell me which part of Adz's post is acceptable for me to comment on.

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Read back your many quotes

"I'm not defending anyone or anything.

Do you think football fans believe in everything they sing?

Do you know the intentions of those singing the song? have you spoken to them and asked or are you making assumptions based on what you think may be the case?

For this particular song to have any meaning to you would imply you believe one is lesser than the other. if you don't believe that then its a nonsense song like hey diddle diddle.

and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?

I'm asking why would a hindu get upset about something that has no cultural reference to them as individuals?

I don't think they're random at all. They're picking the English because we're playing an English football team.

(Interjected - But the turban, is random?)

who knows

But for this particular song to have any meaning to you would imply you believe one is lesser than the other. if you don't believe that then its a nonsense song like hey diddle diddle.

if you truly believe all people are equal then why does this song affect you so much?

if he truly believes we are all equal then he must appreciate the song has no meaning

I'll ask again, why would a hindu be upset over a song about a turban?"

then read back Adz comment:-

"*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.

So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.

In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.

As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.

Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break."

You responded "is it only brown people who wear turbans?"

As if the existence of people of a different skin tone to those traditionally and in the majority wearing turbans would make a difference, and prevents you from understanding why an Asian like Adz would "feel physically unsafe".

Incidentally if the points made towards you so far re why someone who is not Sikh, but Asian and clear so the appearance may feel upset from it aren't enough to enlighten you,... this is from Wikipedia :-

"Wearing turbans is common among Sikhs, including women. It is also worn by Hindu monks. The headgear also serves as a religious observance, including among Shia Muslims, who regard turban-wearing as Sunnah fucadahass.

The turban is also the traditional headdress of Sufi scholars. Additionally, turbans have often been worn by nobility, regardless of religious background."

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

The turban is also the traditional headdress of Sufi scholars. Additionally, turbans have often been worn by nobility, regardless of religious background."[/COLOR][/I]

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And before you come back saying well how can it be racist when there are instances of other people wearing them than the most.

Come on, don't act that stupid it doesn't suit you.

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

:hehe:

Is singing a taunt regarding one ethnicity being more favourable (implied by the tone of the song better) than another one should they be put up for choice racist or not?

Yes. End of. You came in the first instance asking me if signing it was racist, you had your answer and decided I had not been addressing your suggestion of singing but saying "So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist." <- (not put as a question you drew this statement from what you had gathered from my answer specifically regarding singing it - when that content wasn't there).

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Yes, because the theme of the thread was literally singing songs...

I then corrected it, which you seem to have ignored, because you're on the "team racist" side and singing (to you) makes it racist and I'm guessing saying it doesn't, as you don't seem to want to answer that one.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

This thread is unbelievable, one man make himself look a bit silly about misunderstanding the target of a song, then instead of holding his hands and laughing at himself about it spends the next 9 pages twisting himself in knots defending a song that is quite clearly racist even though he himself is not. There's some absolutely mad ones on this board :hehe: :hehe:

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…or he is on an absolute wind up and wallowing in the fact that he’s caught at least 3 whales from what I can read…🙄

Assume there must be a few who are unfortunately unemployed.

Very entertaining nevertheless… filled my entire lunch hour 🤣🤣🤣👍

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

Yes, because the theme of the thread was literally singing songs...

I then corrected it, which you seem to have ignored, because you're on the "team racist" side and singing (to you) makes it racist and I'm guessing saying it doesn't, as you don't seem to want to answer that one.

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Corrected?

You made the interactions:- .

1st - Was the question is singing it racist......to which I said yes.

2nd following my answer you made a statement not questioning me (no question mark involved) - "So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist. " You followed the full stop by exclaiming that you would have had enough of the internet for the day if this is where it is.

I responded to this by saying

"You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear."

You then appeared to fail to accept you had said singing - responding to this "So saying"

You now maintain I ignored a question which didn't exist.

As you wish to have put that question to me and have had it answered (sorry please do so next time if you want an answer) - I'm afraid you do not supply enough further information with regard the "saying" of it - how is it being said, what is being said around it? Is it merely an expression of which one the person feels suits better in a hypothetical theoretical choice of ethnicity?

Is the statement alone racist? No but the context in every occasion is individual.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I’ve heard I’d rather wear a turban than a rose plenty of times with nothing happening.

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Not recently

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

Corrected?

You made the interactions:- .

1st - Was the question is singing it racist......to which I said yes.

2nd following my answer you made a statement not questioning me (no question mark involved) - "So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist. " You followed the full stop by exclaiming that you would have had enough of the internet for the day if this is where it is.

I responded to this by saying

"You said you were singing it

Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear."

You then appeared to fail to accept you had said singing - responding to this "So saying"

You now maintain I ignored a question which didn't exist.

As you wish to have put that question to me and have had it answered (sorry please do so next time if you want an answer) - I'm afraid you do not supply enough further information with regard the "saying" of it - how is it being said, what is being said around it? Is it merely an expression of which one the person feels suits better in a hypothetical theoretical choice of ethnicity?

Is the statement alone racist? No but the context in every occasion is individual.

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I corrected myself, to ask "if it was said".

A whole big portion of my day is being wasted here, I don't need a rundown of what was said, it's been said I can scroll up and read it.

Thank you for putting the answer after that absolute titanic sized block of text. I now have an answer.


Cheers.

That wasn't hard was it.

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

That wasn't hard was it.

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That's what she said

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Originally Posted by gabbsthenewt

That's what she said

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Short and sweet.

Remember less is more, don't burn our eyes with paragraphs.

Not for me when people are trying to maintain things happened one way when they didn't. Sometimes people squirm out of what has been said to take advantage that it's pages back for someone to have to go read.

Indeed some people put something like I'd sing then when quoted on it a few messages down quote other messages saying something different as if to conceal the singing was ever said.

On the show goes


Zzzz

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Originally Posted by adz-a32

But it is the average person who would sing the song. Probably most of those who sing it would have lower social capital than most and think brown people of all types and ethnicities wear turbans.

They are the ones who are making the (implied) message.

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You think the average person would ding it?

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Originally Posted by dembethewarrior

On the show goes


Zzzz

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You can not watch the show if you want your free choice - Why don't you just switch off your pc/tablet/phone and go and do something less boring instead?