Sometimes the manager needs to help them out and not start them. Players are the last to know their time is up.
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Sometimes the manager needs to help them out and not start them. Players are the last to know their time is up.
yes, as soon as teams pick people on reputation instead of current ability they are in big trouble. we've seen as such with England and certain club sodes many times previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by PontBlue
it is completely understandable that we stuck with these guys in this tournament, but in the future we will need to move on unless they can earn their place again
I agree too, very disappointing today but Bale and Ramsey have given us great times following Wales in the last 10 years . We gave the ball away way too much and were very poor in the middle of the pitch but Iran were good and deserved the winQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Your devotion to Ampadu is touching, but, after being our best player on Monday, he was as poor as anyone today. He’s been asked to virtually carry our midfield because you might be able to just about get by with players from Portsmouth, Dundee United and MK Dons in our midfield in the Euros, but the World Cup is clearly a step further.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Absolutely devastated.
This group was a kind one for us, so it’s very disappointing.
Fair play to Iran they absolutely deserved the result.
Unfortunately, we had too many players for this tournament not match fit. I think for what he brings in the dressing room, set pieces and his moments of magic that change games you can carry Bale, but not Rambo anymore. I love the guy but his future is an impact sub unless he retires.
They both have given more than they’ve taken and credit to wales for being there, but this tournament is such a disappointment.
Until we beat England of course!
What vile abuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
They were great players and I will always admire them, but this tournament they have been very ordinary at best.
I don’t know what they were doing in training but come on!
Everyone retires at the right time or gets dropped eventually.
Whilst in general I would agree that you cant pick the team on reputation it would take a very, very strong manager not to pick Bale and Ramsey. They more than anyone deserved to play at a World Cup for Wales. We were not going to win it so why not reward loyalty? it was Bales goals that got us through the play-offs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Plus, we have very little strength in depth anyway. Its not like they were playing ahead of a Foden or a Grealish and as bale showed in the play-offs and the other night when winning the pen, he does the ability to affect games even when hes having a quiet game in general.
Football has never been played on past reputations.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Iran gave us a lesson on how to play football,energy how to cross the ball and the ability to have a shoot on goal.
Well played Iran.
But Ampadu partner would have been as badly exposed against Portsmouth, Dundee United and MK Dons
Poor selection and weak management cost us
Well said, increasingly toys are getting thrown out of prams after games for club and country on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Dissapointed in the Euros. **** me. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Thats enough for me the day. Jesus wept.
I don't even think Iran did that much or needed to. As with the states we just give so much space away for quicker players to exploit.
We'd have been well beaten by 90 mins by a fair few lower ranked teams than Iran i've watched this week.
Some are giving it a bloody a good go.
2nd tournament in a row where I think we've just ambled through it.
You don’t half talk some rubbish at times - as has been said by Hartley, we wouldn’t have been there today if it wasn’t for Bale. Are you seriously saying you wouldn’t have had Bale and Ramsey in the squad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
yes if Page had left out Bale and Ramsey and we had still lost everyone on here would have been apoplectic.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
there was no indication that they were in any kind of good form going into the tournament, but our best chance was still to play them and hope they manage to turn back the years on the night. I would have made the same call, as would everyone else.
and as you say, they deserved the chance after everything they've done in getting us here
Bale had a Stormer in that game. It was Rambo I was talking about ya melt. The reason I brought it up was explained within the post, because he severely impacted the way the rest of the team were able to play in that game and this. Bale was quiet today, that's not catastrophic. Ramsey wasn't just poor, he demanded the ball when he was in no position to take it and put the rest of the team in the crap time and time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I admire your loyalty, I really do.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It just seems so obviously misplaced today.
We were nine against eleven from the start.
And I am as unhappy as you.:thumbup:
The Iran players were as fit as a butchers dog. We had aging players short of match fitness playing 2 games in 4 days, in very hot weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Utterly abysmal performance. You cant play any international game carrying (and playing) three unfit players, let alone a World Cup match. Bale did absolutely nothing for the whole match. He didn't tackle, go for headers or even run around. He gave the ball away regularly and just stood watching for most of the game. And yet Page left him on the pitch and took Wilson and Ampadu off, who weren't at their best either but at least they were running around. Ramsey wasn’t much better than Bale either. The team looked poorly coached and lacking in any ideas.
That's your opinion, but it's not mine. Players generally get dropped or moved on quickly if they don't perform. I would have had them in the squad, but they wouldn't have played every minute of every game, based solely on their performances.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I don’t disagree. Obviously they make the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Ramsey though after he gave the ball away consistently against the us would’ve been a big doubt to start today. And he should’ve come off sooner after starting.
If he does decide to retire it may be a blessing or we need a manager who will use him as an impact sub.
My gut feeling is he will retire after Tuesday but I hope he stays close to the Welsh team
It’s not loyalty, it’s appreciating that we are at a tournament I never thought I’d see us play in, mixed with a bit of a sense of reality - the writing has been on the wall for Wales for some time now. Unbelievably, we’ve been in the world’s top twenty for seven years, but we’re nowhere near that level now really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barmy
They haven’t played every minute of every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I don’t think a draw against the Swiss, a win v Turkey and a close defeat v Italy away is ambling through. The Danes beat us well but so would many.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Here we are learning there are no mugs around, not in our group in particular. We are probably rightfully 4th seeds and will probably finish there.
We look totally undercooked. Half the side barely play these days, including our stars.
Today has cruelly exposed this fact.
That's certainly the case but we don't get to the world cup to give players a swansong , we go there to competeQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
You are arguing over 3 minutes due to a forced substitution to bring on a goalie :hehe: :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The performances in the last one (2021) were very similar to this one. We were afraid to keep the ball and didn't really show much of an identity. You can say what you like about the results. But the performances, apart from the Turkey game didn't show us in our best light.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Call me a nut-job but i think that this group of players can play football. I think they can pass and move and produce quality. But they didn't look like they had the confidence to even attempt that against the Swiss, the Italians, the Danes, the Americans and again today. And in the end you just think ....are they trying to just muddle their way through, hold on without conceding and then nick a goal somewhere. I know tournament football is notoriously tight but these players don't seem like they can express themselves , whether it be because of fitness or tactics. It's my opinion that there is room for improvement in terms of the coaching.
The Swiss looked a million miles better than us. The Italians could have beaten us by 5 if they needed to make up goal difference or something. Results are one thing, but performances tell a different story and if you pay close enough attention to the performances it can give you clues of what is to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
What you are describing is loyalty :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We can argue about players all day and who looked worse than who, but for me I’m just stunned that Page watched that first US game, had days to come up with a plan and put the team out there he did today. Bordering on absolute incompetence, and when he did make a change he made like for like which had absolutely no impact on the game at all. You’d be fuming if your manager at parks level came up with that shite.
Great job getting us to the WC, but if that’s what he can do tactically on the biggest stage, it’s time to look elsewhere.
Page got it tactically wrong again, the US and Iran bypassed our midfield with ease, it's a tournament too far for our "golden generation" can't complain though, three major tournament finals appearances , including a semi final. It was fun.
Not even close Unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
But I fear we will pay for it now. How the hell has Page earned a two year contract.
And with city as they are,
It looks like it might be back to the bad old days.:facepalm:
I think it would have been very harsh not to give Bale, Ramsey and even Allen some World Cup game time after the service they've given. But starting them - Bale and Ramsey - and leaving them on so long is crazy when neither really did enough to stay on the pitch. Loyalty is commendable but it must have its limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Page should have acted like a good cornerman. Fighters don't like to admit or even know they are beaten but the team throws the towel in to save further punishment.
I've played under a number ex-pro's including former internationals, and I know what it's like to be yanked and shat on from a dizzy height. I remember one game where I made an innocuous mistake which led to a goal and I never played for the 1st team again, no matter what I did in training. It's a tough old game unless you play for Wales under Robert Page :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Bluebird
Who would you have picked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
Morrell? That still wouldn't have allowed Ampadu to control a ball and pass it 5 yards.
Bale and Ramsey have carried us for years. They are past it and the limited players around them are being shown up.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
10.00 am kos and beer.
It's a difficult balancing act . USA were difficult opponents but after another poor first half we needed energy to get a grip of that game . Bale and Ramsey were passengers imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Robin Friday's Ghost
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You are comparing yourself to 2 World Class players who have elevated the profile of Wales to heights never seen before.
Bonkers!!
I think hes pissed. Early ko. 😂😂😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue