Labour Election Promises (Broken) Thread

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

Sludge got to be state pensionable age he's been on here donkey years. Question is why is he comfortable losing his heating allowance.

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Nah just claims benefits like plenty of lefties who smoked a bit too much weed in their 20’s….

Not long left for Free Gear Two Tier Kier. His male friend(s) will be happy with the result though :sherlock:

Ahem https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-Rolex.html

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Ahem https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-Rolex.html

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Genuine pensioners my arse

Rolex watch ff sake

I am not impressed by starmer but the Tories are rotten

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Genuine pensioners my arse

Rolex watch ff sake

I am not impressed by starmer but the Tories are rotten

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Thank Goodness taxpayer's hard earned money will not now be used as an insurance premium for a Rolex watch. Poor old bugger will now have to dip into his millions.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Genuine pensioners my arse

Rolex watch ff sake

I am not impressed by starmer but the Tories are rotten

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I got a Rolex off Alibaba for £24.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ctoral-capital

The man’s a huge hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Ahem https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-Rolex.html

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That’s a Hovarth that is! 😮

Anyone know a Labour MP who didnt blag a Taylor Swift freebie?

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Anyone know a Labour MP who didnt blag a Taylor Swift freebie?

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Thank God we voted out the Tory scum.

More seriously, this is ridiculous isn't it?

If there is anything Labour have stood out on, rightly or wrongly is that they have claimed to be anti austerity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r8e421y5po

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Thank God we voted out the Tory scum.

More seriously, this is ridiculous isn't it?

If there is anything Labour have stood out on, rightly or wrongly is that they have claimed to be anti austerity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0r8e421y5po

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Absolutely, thank feck we voted your cnts out

Labour even at their worst are better than the dregs we have had for 14 years

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Absolutely, thank feck we voted your cnts out

Labour even at their worst are better than the dregs we have had for 14 years

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Abusive and missed the point. He's back! I've missed you since the election Sludgey! 😘

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Absolutely, thank feck we voted your cnts out

Labour even at their worst are better than the dregs we have had for 14 years

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100% correct! Nothing could be as bad as the Tory shitbags but this Starmer right wing farrago gives them a run for their money.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Abusive and missed the point. He's back! I've missed you since the election Sludgey! 😘

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I couldn't give a feck

Feck the tory mob

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I couldn't give a feck

Feck the tory mob

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Absolute scum the lot of them. Rotters.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Absolute scum the lot of them. Rotters.

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Hey sludge , genuine question would you be this vocal with your inflammatory rhetoric face to face with a past Tory voter such as myself, if so perhaps rather than hiding behind a keyboard put your money where your mouth is , go on I dare you. If you can’t stop being a childish online troll.

Going after inheritance tax now I see, another deeply unpopular one so should cement the new Tories demise even further, nothing like a bit of cash stress post death/funeral. :shrug:
No point in working or saving anymore, no point buying a house, they will take it all….spend every last penny in the George Best style I guess…..

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Originally Posted by goats

Going after inheritance tax now I see, another deeply unpopular one so should cement the new Tories demise even further, nothing like a bit of cash stress post death/funeral. :shrug:
No point in working or saving anymore, no point buying a house, they will take it all….spend every last penny in the George Best style I guess…..

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You have to laugh at these champagne red rosette mobsters, 4 years of Russian interference claims but are now sending a brigade to Merica to campaign in the elections for knee pads, I'm wondering if the same characters who denied the cheating in the last US election will be crying cheat shortly, vote for no one Goats, they are all Wefers no matter what colour badge, its a rigged game and the people have little say, but the tide is turning slowly.

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Originally Posted by goats

Going after inheritance tax now I see, another deeply unpopular one so should cement the new Tories demise even further, nothing like a bit of cash stress post death/funeral. :shrug:
No point in working or saving anymore, no point buying a house, they will take it all….spend every last penny in the George Best style I guess…..

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Ironically, that would be a lot better for the economy than people hoarding wealth until their mid 90s and then passing it on to their 65 year old kids, rinse and repeat.

The only issue I have with changing iht is yet again we are having a conversation about 'raising taxes on the richest' and excluding the actual rich people, whose affairs are organised in a way to avoid paying iht. Similar to any conversations about income tax, NI etc.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Ironically, that would be a lot better for the economy than people hoarding wealth until their mid 90s and then passing it on to their 65 year old kids, rinse and repeat.

The only issue I have with changing iht is yet again we are having a conversation about 'raising taxes on the richest' and excluding the actual rich people, whose affairs are organised in a way to avoid paying iht. Similar to any conversations about income tax, NI etc.

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IHT is the fairest and most effective tax to stimulate the economy apart from milking the richest. This so called Labour outfit has been very poor thus far but, in my opinion, they could redeem themselves by raising IHT significantly and redistribute the cash to stimulate productivity.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

IHT is the fairest and most effective tax to stimulate the economy apart from milking the richest. This so called Labour outfit has been very poor this far but in my opinion they could redeem themselves by raising IHT significantly.

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I can't say I have a great issue with it, but surely people will just shift it away somehow? Give it to their kids early (no bad thing at all) or spend it (no bad thing) or move it abroad (a bad thing). It seems pretty easy to get around

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I can't say I have a great issue with it, but surely people will just shift it away somehow? Give it to their kids early (no bad thing at all) or spend it (no bad thing) or move it abroad (a bad thing). It seems pretty easy to get around

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Possibly so but it wouldn't take a genius to devise control measures so that the cash be frozen until it is taxed and only allowed to be used in exceptional circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Possibly so but it wouldn't take a genius to devise control measures so that the cash be frozen until it is taxed and only allowed to be used in exceptional circumstances.

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It's not about intelligence though I don't think. The UK is structured in a way where a certain 'class' of people never lose, no matter what the government does. It's a massive job to break that down. The low hanging fruit is the large number of people in the middle who aren't obsessed with money enough to focus their energy or resources towards avoiding tax.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

It's not about intelligence though I don't think. The UK is structured in a way where a certain 'class' of people never lose, no matter what the government does. It's a massive job to break that down. The low hanging fruit is the large number of people in the middle who aren't obsessed with money enough to focus their energy or resources towards avoiding tax.

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Yes I agree with you but my point was that it wouldn't take a genius for the Government to devise a financial control system whereby large amounts of family cash could be protected until it were appropriately taxed, rather than be fritted away prematurely. The benefits are obvious in terms of redistribution and opportunities to stimulate economic growth. I still believe by the way there should be a punitive wealth tax on the super rich so we probably largely concur.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I can't say I have a great issue with it, but surely people will just shift it away somehow? Give it to their kids early (no bad thing at all) or spend it (no bad thing) or move it abroad (a bad thing). It seems pretty easy to get around

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Aren’t there already strict limits on how much money someone can ‘gift’ to avoid IHT? Something like £3k (or is it now £1.5k pa)?

I have no idea if or how that is policed - and as Eric says, the very rich play outside the rules- but the rules are there.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

You have to laugh at these champagne red rosette mobsters, 4 years of Russian interference claims but are now sending a brigade to Merica to campaign in the elections for knee pads, I'm wondering if the same characters who denied the cheating in the last US election will be crying cheat shortly, vote for no one Goats, they are all Wefers no matter what colour badge, its a rigged game and the people have little say, but the tide is turning slowly.

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I rarely do vote heath, usually it’s a protest one anyway to try and current incumbent….reckon I’ve put every different party’s name in the box over the years…:thumbup: a bunch of crooks as my old man used to call them

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Ironically, that would be a lot better for the economy than people hoarding wealth until their mid 90s and then passing it on to their 65 year old kids, rinse and repeat.

The only issue I have with changing iht is yet again we are having a conversation about 'raising taxes on the richest' and excluding the actual rich people, whose affairs are organised in a way to avoid paying iht. Similar to any conversations about income tax, NI etc.

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I agree about the money flow, but the very wealthy will just put it into trusts and pay nothing, really just punishing the middle men again, as they always do….

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

It's not about intelligence though I don't think. The UK is structured in a way where a certain 'class' of people never lose, no matter what the government does. It's a massive job to break that down. The low hanging fruit is the large number of people in the middle who aren't obsessed with money enough to focus their energy or resources towards avoiding tax.

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I think you will find that group are getting more conscious of it during these slightly difficult times, no cheap mortgages, bills through the roof, cars seem to have doubled in price, as is insurance now….pubs, football, nights out…..crazy what it costs these days.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Aren’t there already strict limits on how much money someone can ‘gift’ to avoid IHT? Something like £3k (or is it now £1.5k pa)?

I have no idea if or how that is policed - and as Eric says, the very rich play outside the rules- but the rules are there.

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It’s 3k….also, it’s at £325,000 but it gets passed on from one parent to the other so becomes £700,000, it might have gone up a bit more I’m not sure. I guess most houses in the London area are over this anyway

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Hey sludge , genuine question would you be this vocal with your inflammatory rhetoric face to face with a past Tory voter such as myself, if so perhaps rather than hiding behind a keyboard put your money where your mouth is , go on I dare you. If you can’t stop being a childish online troll.

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FYI this week's person that you're trying to get to meet up with you is JamesWales not Sludge, although hats off to JW's impression of him that someone fully fell for it

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Originally Posted by delmbox

FYI this week's person that you're trying to get to meet up with you is JamesWales not Sludge, although hats off to JW's impression of him that someone fully fell for it

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I've been on so many dates with all the hot posters on here recently, that I can't keep up.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've been on so many dates with all the hot posters on here recently, that I can't keep up.

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and you've never even asked me :cry:

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Originally Posted by delmbox

and you've never even asked me :cry:

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I didn't want to cause friction between you and Dorcus. Best to leave it a few weeks out of respect

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Originally Posted by goats

Going after inheritance tax now I see, another deeply unpopular one so should cement the new Tories demise even further, nothing like a bit of cash stress post death/funeral. :shrug:
No point in working or saving anymore, no point buying a house, they will take it all….spend every last penny in the George Best style I guess…..

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A lot of the people moaning about getting hit for inheritance tax are talking rubbish

If someone bought a house for 15 grand in the mid seventies and it's now worth 350 grand then it's the greed of the market that's done all the work to increase its value

What " hard work , pay my taxes , etc etc " is involved her ?

It's not a tax on how hard someone's worked ....a road sweeper works as hard as a bank manager ....its a tax mostly on a property and the value is nothing to do with paying tax or working hard

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Originally Posted by delmbox

FYI this week's person that you're trying to get to meet up with you is JamesWales not Sludge, although hats off to JW's impression of him that someone fully fell for it

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What the christ is going on

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Originally Posted by goats

I rarely do vote heath, usually it’s a protest one anyway to try and current incumbent….reckon I’ve put every different party’s name in the box over the years…:thumbup: a bunch of crooks as my old man used to call them

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So If they are all crooks then you didnt vote ?

I would never not vote

If you don't vote then you can go and sit in the shed and complain all day to yourself

I would vote green if I was stuck

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Hey sludge , genuine question would you be this vocal with your inflammatory rhetoric face to face with a past Tory voter such as myself, if so perhaps rather than hiding behind a keyboard put your money where your mouth is , go on I dare you. If you can’t stop being a childish online troll.

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Who are you talking to now ?

JW , tory , scum

Or me , not tory

I think you are suffering

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Originally Posted by delmbox

FYI this week's person that you're trying to get to meet up with you is JamesWales not Sludge, although hats off to JW's impression of him that someone fully fell for it

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Quite :hehe:

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Quite :hehe:

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So send JW a love letter then

If he rejects your advances pop one in the post for me

Bristol are Red
Cardiff Are Blue
I have got a hammer
So get in the van

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Who are you talking to now ?

JW , tory , scum

Or me , not tory

I think you are suffering

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Tory scum off our streets, Tory scum off our streets!