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Yep so one could argue the passion for that Brexit was still alive and kicking country some 3 years after the 2016 vote, removing the remain arguments that they didn't know what they were voting for.
On a personal level I know 30 people or so who voted leave, not one f them changed their minds through the last 4 years, in fact it hardened.
Never mind it can all he defeated and reversed by Labour , SNP , Liberal,Greens , Plaid and ERG forming an effective opposition defeat in the up and coming vote on the deal.
Then Labour win the next election and take up the offer of termination within the Break Clause in 2025 campaign to re join if as some suggest the Brexit result would now be reversed . ?????
Simples .
But the labour party in government has treated them no better. They take the welsh votes as if they own them by right and do nothing. None of them are much different. That said you cannot know what the present government will be like until the either do or fail to do something.
As for people being 'tricked' and 'duped', they have had 3 years or more of people like you telling them, screaming it from the rooftops and demanding a new vote and they still voted for it in Dec 19. Maybe they aren't as stupid as you think they are. You only think they are because you disagree with them. If the vote in favour of "getting it done" in December was reflected in the original referendum vote the remainers, myself included, would have been crushed.
It did only happen on thursday. Until then we were in transition and still operating under full EU rules. you can stamp your foot as much as you like but that is true. I am plea though that you said governments in the plural. They have been mistreated by all governments for generations. not just tory ones. It just so happens we've had more of those than Labour ones because they are who people voted for. And in anticipation of you saying the welsh didn't vote for them, well now that they have lets see what this westminster government does to keep those votes blue instead of red. We may be pleasantly surprised.
Where did I say the deal was neutral. I'm neutral on Brexit and am prepared to give it a chance. The issue is that people were using you as an example to prove that Brexit will fail. I take a different view but only time will tell whether Brexit will be a success or failure.
Where I agree with you is that the deal looks very bad from your viewpoint but your experience should not be used to prove that Brexit will fail for everyone.
The referendum wasn't carried out in a first past the post basis though was it? The referendum was carried out on a simple majority. A simple majority of people at the last election didn't vote for pro brexit parties, the point you are trying to make doesn't make any sense.
I think it would be as close now as ever it was. People really don't want to change their minds on stuff like this - even when presented with a shit sandwich
I don’t know what Labour have got to do with it it’s why I said successive governments. They’ve all been terrible for wales, wales were lucky to have had the eu funding.
I don’t discuss anything or scream anything with brexiteers because as this thread is shown they didn’t even know what they wanted and now are delighted with the shit we’ve ended up with. There is no logic to it, they were duped into voting for it and won’t change their mind what ever happens.
What the **** does getting it done even mean?! We’ve just ended up with being in a very similar position but with a worse trade deal with the people we do the majority of our trading with :hehe:
As soon as I hear “getting it done”, “sovereignty” and “brexit means brexit” I know there’s no point continuing the discussion because that person had shown they don’t really know what they voted for.
People won’t ever admit it but what we voted on wasn’t defined enough. There’s no way anyone with a brain would have voted for what we’ve ended up with.
I suppose unless they hate foreigners enough to **** the economy for it.
I can’t believe people are happy with the last 5 years, 100s of companies have left the U.K. we’ve lost jobs and about £15billion a year from the economy. And now we are being told to wait and see how it’ll affect us :hehe:
We’ve had a year to make deals and haven’t managed to negotiate one better than what we previously had.
One more question what laws are people looking forward to that we couldn’t make before?
Capital Economics are about at the top of the game when it comes to forecasting on issues such at the one being debated on this thread
It looks like its going to be a piss show
Those with money will always be OK
But those areas that had eu funding ?
Turn off the lights
I didn't vote to leave , those that did and don't have a bit tucked away will see the results of their actions before long
A festering boil on the arse of the tory party was stroked by farage and Cameron shat his pants
Giving this country a referendum to leave a huge single market then piss about for 4 years kissing arse to have some sort of kiss and make up is just the start
Welcome to hell
Abandon hope all who enter here
I'll agree to that on these conditions.
Wales, Scotland and Northern Irish MPs have equal say on all matters. When it comes to a vote, each country's MPs combined will have 25% share.
If Welsh MPs want to do something in Wales that England might not like, as long as there's a majority within Welsh MPs for it, their bill is passed in Wales.
Happy? Thought not.
The flooding of Trederwen was agreed in Westminster but all Welsh MPs voted against it. Was that a good deal for Wales? Of course not. Any time there is potential conflict in the house between Wales and England, England will win every time. Are you happy with that? I'm not. Not at all.
In a referendum, as long as 59% of England votes one way, it can override the other countries voting 100% the other way. Is that a good deal for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland? Of course it isn't.
Because England is a far bigger country in terms of population than the rest, it is able to dictate to the others what happens. I don't agree with that. I would hope that all proper Welshmen would be against such things as well.