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"Much of the gains for the top 10 was because of a surge in US stocks on Wednesday as investors anticipated a low-tax and regulation-light policy platform."
Pravda, eh?
You are turning 'missing the point' into an art form.
You know, like Tracey Emin's bed!
That quote isn't a statement of fact, it's from a guardian article.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
This one says different
https://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/new...n-victory.aspx
"With the Republican party on the cusp of a clean sweep of Congress and the presidency, US markets are rallying. This is less an endorsement of every facet of the Republican manifesto, but because markets like visibility, and clear governmental control provides that”, says Michael Field, European market strategist at Morningstar."
Read Reuters, The FT, MSNBC, whatever you fancy and they will have slightly different theories and explanations.
The reality is the US stock markets have been going in one direction for a couple of years and the clear victory provided stability that topped them off.
Will he scale back regulation? I reckon so. Will he be pro-business..I imagine he will.. Do the markets like stability? Yes. Will the wealthiest have gained from the rise today? Yes. Have the wealthiest also gained from the steady rises under Biden? Also yes.
The idea that the markets rose because of a "reaction to a Trump presidency that will favour his rich oligarch mates" is clearly not the full story at all
With just one state left to declare, it looks like Trump will match his 2020 number of voters with a very small number, by the standards we’re talking here, either way and the Democrats vote will have dropped by around 14 million (j make that about 16 per cent). Where did that vote go? Some died or were unable to vote for some reason and it seems 3 per cent voted for other candidates. That would only Account for well under half of the Democrats lost votes though and, just like over here with the Tories, it seems like the majority of those who deserted the party just didn’t bother voting. Labour lost MPs because of former voters of theirs voting against them because of their attitude towards Gaza and I’m sure a fairly significant number of former Democrat voters in America’s abstention (or maybe votes cast for Trump) were for that reason, but my guess is that the economy followed by the worldwide kickback against incumbent Governments were the main causes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Some have suggested something dodgy happened, but I see Biden has talked of having as smooth a transition as possible and I think it unlikely that there has been anything underhand at play.
What a hopeless fart Biden was
And what's he doing jogging up in those huge Hawaii 5 O sunglasses ?
he beat trump...harris wasnt even closeQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's madness though isn't it? Millions and millions of uncounted votes, three days after the election. Clearly this creates a vacuum which speculation will only fill and in this case even with the result not in doubt it still fuels speculation about whether Biden really did buy votes in 2020 or whether Harris votes are being hidden now.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It really is not a good way to do it. I get the timezones, size of the country and different states different methods complicate it but how the hell can California have still only counted 60% of ballots?!
America is a great democracy in many respects but in this practical part of it they are dire
Very good, now just privately take stock that you said something really stupid and learn from it and let's all move on with the threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
You can read why it takes so long here.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://www.kcra.com/article/how-cal...votes/62755363
If a signature is missing or does not match the signature on file, state law requires county elections officials to reach out to voters to verify their signature to ensure that their ballot can be counted. Voters can verify their signature up to two days before the county certifies their results.
I'm definitely not a fan of how the US runs its elections - but it seems to me that it leaves a massive paper trail so you can comfortably be sure that Biden didn't buy votes in 2020.
It is interesting how there were dozens of court cases that were thrown out without evidence, and dozens more that didn't make it to court - and the limp allegations are still here years later.
Drought or no drought?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It was undoubtedly a clear victory but don't forget that land doesn't voteQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
You know that absolutely no fegger lives in a lot of those red shaded areas don't you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
If you get 50 people stupid enough to vote for Donald Trump but only 75 people live in the town it doesn't mean that America is wall to wall stupid
Although it's not far off
Most of the big cities are in the blueQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Yes exactly the point I was makingQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
There's more cattle than people in the red areas. They've been milking the votesQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And by the way, that's where the homeless and ghettoes are.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
It's not a population map, it's a map of US counties and how they voted in the election.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You could put up a similar type map of Great Britain and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was still more blue than red.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
What point are you trying to make?
I see "Trump cheated" is trending on Twitter now after Democrat voters latched on to the big drop in the party's vote and assumed that some skullduggery had taken place. I notice though that MAGA voters (does the old Republican party exost any more?) have responded with claims that the 2024 turnout was very similar to every election since 2008, apart from the 2020 one.
I've not checked the figures, but I can remember reports at the time saying that the turn out in 2020 had been a lot higher than in other recent elections, so I think they're probably right and this has, understandably led them to claim that, as 2020 was the outlier,, it's more likely that any cheating occurred then.
The problem I have with that though is that, if we accept that the Democrats, or the "deep state" had the means and the inclination to fiddle the previous election, why didn't they do the same this time around or have those who really run things switched their support to Trump?
I'd say the answer is more straightforward than that. Although I'm still baffled as to how so many Americans can just forget about things like 6 January, Trump being a felon and the sort of thing we saw at the Madison Square Gardens rally, they have done so and voted accordingly.
In 2016, far more people voted in the Brexit Referendum than do in a General Election. Millions clearly thought whether we stayed in the EC or not was a far more important question than the identity of the next Government and an awful lot of people who took part in the democratic procedure back in 2016 have not bothered to do so since then.
I can understand people not wanting to remember what living in the uk or USA entailed back in 2020, but the negative reaction against incumbent Governments had already started and Trump suffered badly because it was generally believed that he was more of a hindrance than a help when it came to fighting the pandemic.
I believe that it's perfectly possible that the 2020 American election was akin to 2016 Referendum and millions more voted because they had a motivation to do so having spent much of the previous year living under restrictions they'd never experienced before. Millions who didn't normally vote put their trust in Joe Biden and the Democrats and when they felt that they'd been let down badly as they saw prices rising so sharply, they decided to withdraw that support and revert to their normal position - i.e. not voting for anyone.
There's been a lot of talk about how America has changed in the last two years (don't forget the Democrats did much better than expected in the 2022 mid term elections), but the actual figures just say that the MAGA vote held steady as their elevation from the generally considered 47/48 per cent rose over the 50 per cent mark because the Democrat vote dropped by nearly 15 per cent.
I don't think the 2020 election was "stolen" and I don't think this one was either, what we've seen, just as we did in the summer over here, are the consequences of one of the main two party's vote collapsing.
Covid and mail-in ballots is what was different in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
How different was 2020 from 2024 when it comes to mail-in ballots?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I have seen figures that say there were 65m mail-in ballots in 2020 and nearly 30m had been returned in 2024 a week before the election date - but on the sites I have seen the figures are often conflated with 'early voting in person' numbers. It is also confused by every state having different rules and ways of counting. There were over 65m absentee ballots requested in 2024, and in a lot of states that is the first stage of getting a postal ballot!
I assume there were more mail-in ballots in 2020 because of Covid, but in 2024 the Republicans had lost their fear of participatory democracy and were very actively promoting early and mail-in voting!
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
To the most part I think they've handled the rowbacks quite well, but it has been pretty humorous with the journalists making them squirm for past comments
S Pineless 🤣 Superb and spot on 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson