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Originally Posted by William Treseder

The majority of Brits just want the boats stopped and the incoming migrant situation monitored properly.
There have always been far right lunatics in every country. Why do you always refer and concentrate on them, and not the millions of Brits who are just totally hacked off with the way that successive governments have failed to deal with the situation.?

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Do you think the people trying to set fire to asylum seeker hotels and riot with the police last summer were just " hacked off " ?

The growth of violence is staggering

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

If Reform fail to win the next election, then their voters will probably become as bitter as you and many others on here have become after the UK democratically voted to leave Europe.

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Well your political bias is clearly seeping out now

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I completely agree that accepting different opinions is important! Great to see you say it! 😂

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I could be in step with that sarcasm if you were not a reform voter . I mean a moderate, one nation tory one can meet for a cuppa but Farage supporters 🤔

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well your political bias is clearly seeping out now

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It really is like chewing glass having a dialogue on here with you.
You either don’t read what I post or you are so one eyed and entrenched in your views that it’s hopeless trying.
I’ll give it another go though.
Once again, you have only mentioned the absolute cretins who have tried to set the hotels on fire. A small minority of racist thugs. You still can’t or won’t talk about the vast majority of “normal” folk who are hacked off with successive UK governments pathetic efforts to get on top and control immigration properly.
As for my political bias seeping out, that’s another example of you not reading what’s in front of you, and jumping to conclusions, as you did in your restaurant arson thread.
Reform voters will probably react to a loss in the next general election in exactly the same manor as you and others on here did when the democratic vote to leave Europe was voted in.
Now if you deduct from this post that I’m a raving right wing racist, then I’m afraid all is lost for you.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

It really is like chewing glass having a dialogue on here with you.
You either donÂ’t read what I post or you are so one eyed and entrenched in your views that itÂ’s hopeless trying.
IÂ’ll give it another go though.
Once again, you have only mentioned the absolute cretins who have tried to set the hotels on fire. A small minority of racist thugs. You still can’t or won’t talk about the vast majority of “normal” folk who are hacked off with successive UK governments pathetic efforts to get on top and control immigration properly.
As for my political bias seeping out, thatÂ’s another example of you not reading whatÂ’s in front of you, and jumping to conclusions, as you did in your restaurant arson thread.
Reform voters will probably react to a loss in the next general election in exactly the same manor as you and others on here did when the democratic vote to leave Europe was voted in.
Now if you deduct from this post that IÂ’m a raving right wing racist, then IÂ’m afraid all is lost for you.

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I deduct from your posts that you are definitely right wing wether you vote for a right wing party or not

You first showed that when the British sprinter with her boyfriend were wrongly arrested in London and you said it was them playing the race card

You then tried to defend that by using your own background but it didn't wash

The riots were some of the worst disturbances seen in the country , many more could have been arrested if you think these people are a tiny minority you are absolutely deluded

When Brexit won the vote ....your comments clearly show how you voted ...I dont remember serious rioting by lefties over that

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

It really is like chewing glass having a dialogue on here with you.
You either don’t read what I post or you are so one eyed and entrenched in your views that it’s hopeless trying.
I’ll give it another go though.
Once again, you have only mentioned the absolute cretins who have tried to set the hotels on fire. A small minority of racist thugs. You still can’t or won’t talk about the vast majority of “normal” folk who are hacked off with successive UK governments pathetic efforts to get on top and control immigration properly.
As for my political bias seeping out, that’s another example of you not reading what’s in front of you, and jumping to conclusions, as you did in your restaurant arson thread.
Reform voters will probably react to a loss in the next general election in exactly the same manor as you and others on here did when the democratic vote to leave Europe was voted in.
Now if you deduct from this post that I’m a raving right wing racist, then I’m afraid all is lost for you.

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The point is there should never ever have been a "democratic vote" to leave Europe. We are a parliamentary democracy and there was already a prior vote conducted to choose the presiding government at the time. We should never even have contemplated having a referendum on such a complex and consequential issue

Let's face facts, your average Joe does not have the capacity not wherewithal to adequately comprehend complex societal issues: that's exactly why we were set up as a parliamentary democracy in the first place!

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

The point is there should never ever have been a "democratic vote" to leave Europe. We are a parliamentary democracy and there was already a prior vote conducted to choose the presiding government at the time. We should never even have contemplated having a referendum on such a complex and consequential issue

Let's face facts, your average Joe does not have the capacity not wherewithal to adequately comprehend complex societal issues: that's exactly why we were set up as a parliamentary democracy in the first place!

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Your post is why the average Joe voted they did, fed up of being looked down on like you have done.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Your post is why the average Joe voted they did, fed up of being looked down on like you have done.

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If your average Joe looks down on the likes of me then he or she are even barmier than I thought and they must be suffering from illusions of grandeur! But my post wasn't about WHY they voted as they did (that's already common knowledge) it was WHY they were given the opportunity to do so in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Your post is why the average Joe voted they did, fed up of being looked down on like you have done.

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The reason why people voted to leave Europe was because they didn't want to be in Europe anymore

I think that was a disastrous decision and immigration which they wanted to control is in a far worse position now

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

If your average Joe looks down on the likes of me then he or she are even barmier than I thought and they must be suffering from illusions of grandeur! But my post wasn't about WHY they voted as they did (that's already common knowledge) it was WHY they were given the opportunity to do so in the first place.

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You are like Sludge. You don’t read what’s written. Read Heathblues post again, then look at your reply. It’s gibberish.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

You are like Sludge. You donÂ’t read whatÂ’s written. Read Heathblues post again, then look at your reply. ItÂ’s gibberish.

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His reply was spot on

You want the boats stopped NOW and other such flag waving stuff

Do you think we should have a feckin referendum everytime something you think everyone wants is in the news

Europe , Immigration , Capital Punshment .....

Where does what you want stop ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

His reply was spot on

You want the boats stopped NOW and other such flag waving stuff

Do you think we should have a feckin referendum everytime something you think everyone wants is in the news

Europe , Immigration , Capital Punshment .....

Where does what you want stop ?

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You really are the gift that keeps giving.
Neither you or Dorcus actually read what Heathblue posted did you daftie.
Read it again, this time concentrating on the words, then read Dorcus reply. 😁

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

You are like Sludge. You don’t read what’s written. Read Heathblues post again, then look at your reply. It’s gibberish.

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Are you sure you can read English? Calm down and read both posts again. Mine is not written in Urdu!

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Your post is why the average Joe voted they did, fed up of being looked down on like you have done.

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You're another one who cannot read English properly. Read my first post and then my reply. Neither had any reference to the motives behind the voting (as I clearly stated the World and His Wife know why ad infinitum) My question was WHY THEY WERE ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THE ISSUE IN THE FIRST PLACE!

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Are you sure you can read English? Calm down and read both posts again. Mine is not written in Urdu!

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I give up, I just give up 😂

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

I give up, I just give up 😂

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Sounds a good move 😜 I applaud you 👍

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

If your average Joe looks down on the likes of me then he or she are even barmier than I thought and they must be suffering from illusions of grandeur! But my post wasn't about WHY they voted as they did (that's already common knowledge) it was WHY they were given the opportunity to do so in the first place.

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Why shouldn't the people have a vote on how their country is run and who makes the rules?

What are you, Henry VIII?!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Why shouldn't the people have a vote on how their country is run and who makes the rules?

What are you, Henry VIII?!

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Thats what we vote for at elections

When Thatcher became increasingly potty Major took over

Do you remember calls for a vote on her divisive policies ?

Its almost laughable to hear all these calls for an election or a vote on immigration policy .....where were all these people when Brexit was rumbling ?

We cannot have a situation where the mob decides when and how decisions are made on important issues ff sake 😂

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Thats what we vote for at elections

When Thatcher became increasingly potty Major took over

Do you remember calls for a vote on her divisive policies ?

Its almost laughable to hear all these calls for an election or a vote on immigration policy .....where were all these people when Brexit was rumbling ?

We cannot have a situation where the mob decides when and how decisions are made on important issues ff sake 😂

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Sorry, what?

You haven't answered. Why shouldn't the people have a say in who and how their country is governed?

You throw the word fascist around a lot but you are Dorcus are flirting with something far darker here.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Thats what we vote for at elections

When Thatcher became increasingly potty Major took over

Do you remember calls for a vote on her divisive policies ?

Its almost laughable to hear all these calls for an election or a vote on immigration policy .....where were all these people when Brexit was rumbling ?

We cannot have a situation where the mob decides when and how decisions are made on important issues ff sake 😂

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“Mobs” don’t decide. Democratic voters decide.
You’re a very mixed up individual.
You appear to have just enough intelligence to be dangerous.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

You are like Sludge. You donÂ’t read whatÂ’s written. Read Heathblues post again, then look at your reply. ItÂ’s gibberish.

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He's got a degree !.

I've not been fussed either way regarding Brexit I couldn't be arsed to vote at the time, I've said many times I no longer vote however if we get another vote I will reverse my no vote situation and vote to stay outside the EU because of the typical remoaner like Dorcus, when you want a particular outcome you persuade them with reasoned debate and do not look down the nose as he has a lot of form for on here the whole brexit debate at the time was just one side lying versus the other side lying it was a total cluster ****.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

“Mobs” don’t decide. Democratic voters decide.
YouÂ’re a very mixed up individual.
You appear to have just enough intelligence to be dangerous.

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Are you deliberately stupid ?

What do you think the mobs outside the hotels attacking those inside were trying to do ?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Sorry, what?

You haven't answered. Why shouldn't the people have a say in who and how their country is governed?

You throw the word fascist around a lot but you are Dorcus are flirting with something far darker here.

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They do u silly tit

General and local elections

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Are you deliberately stupid ?

What do you think the mobs outside the hotels attacking those inside were trying to do ?

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You need to take a rest Sonny. You are completely obsessed with “these mobs”
That are a tiny, tiny minority of those who want the immigration situation dealt with properly after yrs of both governments useless attempts.
You as a lifelong City fan should know better.
For yrs, and even now, in certain places, city fans are looked upon as trouble makers, all due to a small section of our support, running riot in the 70’s and 80’s.
You’ve already proved that you are willing to tar everyone with the same brush with your daft and dangerous restaurant arson thread.
Take a break and gather what little thoughts you have is my advice. 👍

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

They do u silly tit

General and local elections

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Ridiculous elitist position to say that people should not vote on massive changes to effective constitutions about who governs.

If course we should. Joining the EEC, Creation of the Welsh Assembly, abolition of the house of lords, all these kinds of things, in any country, should go to referenda.