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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
lardy
No, but the song is aimed at them. And to pre-empt your next smartypants question, no I haven't asked every person who has ever sung it.
I think we're way past smartypants, we're heading into breakdown territory :hehe:
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.
So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.
In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.
As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.
Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break.
I note he's responded to you but I think it may help if I collect his thoughts in quotes into one big super quote which may help you understand his approach to this, maybe you could answer the questions within them :-
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
I'm not defending anyone or anything.
Do you think football fans believe in everything they sing?
Do you know the intentions of those singing the song? have you spoken to them and asked or are you making assumptions based on what you think may be the case?
For this particular song to have any meaning to you would imply you believe one is lesser than the other. if you don't believe that then its a nonsense song like hey diddle diddle.
and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?
I'm asking why would a hindu get upset about something that has no cultural reference to them as individuals?
I don't think they're random at all. They're picking the English because we're playing an English football team.
(Interjected - But the turban, is random?)
who knows
But for this particular song to have any meaning to you would imply you believe one is lesser than the other. if you don't believe that then its a nonsense song like hey diddle diddle.
if you truly believe all people are equal then why does this song affect you so much?
if he truly believes we are all equal then he must appreciate the song has no meaning
I'll ask again, why would a hindu be upset over a song about a turban?
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
Amazing. You therefore can chant racism but not be racist.
F***ing hell mate.
If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
Yes giving that race can refer to ethnic and racial groups
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
I'm not defending anyone or anything.
and incidentally, is it only brown people who wear turbans?
If you ask the average person on the street “who wears a turban” then you would find out what people associate turbans with.
So much mental gymnastics. If it was real gymnastics, it would be worse than Callum Paterson’s cartwheel celebration. :hehe:
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
Yes giving that race can refer to ethnic and racial groups
So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.
Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.
Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.
You said you were singing it
Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
I think we're way past smartypants, we're heading into breakdown territory :hehe:
I think that ship sailed several pages ago!
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
You said you were singing it
Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.
"so saying"
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.
Yeah I'd walk away as well if I was you, you and your chum are making a bit of a show of yourselves
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
You said you were singing it
Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
"so saying"
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
If you ask the average person on the street “who wears a turban” then you would find out what people associate turbans with.
So much mental gymnastics. If it was real gymnastics, it would be worse than Callum Paterson’s cartwheel celebration. :hehe:
but you're not average adz, and you know more than most on the subject...so you know only too well that its not just brown people who wear turbans.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
but you're not average adz, and you know more than most on the subject...so you know only too well that its not just brown people who wear turbans.
You f**king idiot how rude can you be pretending to be this ****ing dumb
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?
You don't need to help him out, he's doing alright on his own
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
I'm not letting my ego get in the way of anything. You're the bigot sludge. you're the one who often proclaims that you hate, nay despise, 17m British people simply because they exercise their democratic right to vote a different way to you.
If you really think that anyone would prefer to be English over Indian, where the chances are you'll be one of the hundreds of millions of the Indian subclass that live in abject poverty (where poverty really means poverty), then you're nuts. Its a song sung at football. It doesn't mean as much as you think it does.
you and the likes of Croesyblue get offended at everything. There is no banter, there is no humour, just offense. And if you get offended, what next? Do all the kids in the stadium get cancer as a result? Who decides what is and is not offensive and whether it should be sung. It certainly is not you. Who decides that no one can say anything that may or may not cause offence. Again, it certainly is not you.
Aint that the truth .
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
lardy
You don't need to help him out, he's doing alright on his own
I'm not trying to help anyone out, I am asking out of my own curiosity to see where people are at with it. Thanks.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.
Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
You said you were singing it
Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
"so saying"
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
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Last post in the conversation I said "so saying" it makes sense to go with the last quote.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
You f**king idiot how rude can you be pretending to be this ****ing dumb
enlighten me oh ultracrepidarian
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Last post in the conversation I said "so saying" it makes sense to go with the last quote.
You started with the question
"If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?"
Makes sense to answer the question rather than a following comment that hadn't yet been made by yourself changing sing to saying.
Makes sense not to ignore the initial context the OP describes it happening in, just because he made a second context - the 2nd doesn't negate that they stated the 1st at all.
It is evident our minds think differently however.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
enlighten me oh ultracrepidarian
Seriously you read all Adz-a32 said:-
"*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.
So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.
In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.
As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.
Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break."
And you came back with "you know all too well not only brown people wear Turbans".
Does make you wonder whether you had a smile on your face as you typed it.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
Seriously you read all Adz-a32 said:-
"*sighs* I don’t think you will EVER understand perspectives beyond your own.
So there is a song mocking a certain type of brown people. And a lot of racists who think Sikhs as “lower” than them would view all brown people as that.
In the past, Sikh communities have been attacked. And same thing has happened to other communities of colour. From a brown perspective: it has happened to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis as well. The term used was “p*** bashing”.
As an Asian, I would feel uncomfortable hearing that chant. I would feel physically unsafe as some racists are violent and racial attacks still happen to this day.
Can’t believe that you have so much mental gymnastics to defend this. Just take a break."
And you came back with "you know all too well not only brown people wear Turbans".
Does make you wonder whether you had a smile on your face as you typed it.
why would I have a smile on my face? do you think racism is funny?
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
why would I have a smile on my face? do you think racism is funny?
I can't believe you would read what Adz wrote then comment what you did without being cool with racism.
It was as if everything was in one ear out of the other.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
So saying "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" a sentence that isn't abusing either nationality, but is more positive to one than the other is racist.
Well **** me with a Henry hoover. I've had enough Internet for one day if this is where its at.
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
You said you were singing it
Sounds a bit odd to be singing it if it's not intended to cause offence, my dear.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
"so saying"
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
You started with the question
"If I were to sing "I'd rather be Scottish than Irish" would that be racist?"
Makes sense to answer the question rather than a following comment that hadn't yet been made by yourself changing sing to saying.
Makes sense not to ignore the initial context the OP describes it happening in, just because he made a second context - the 2nd doesn't negate that they stated the 1st at all.
It is evident our minds think differently however.
I've already explained I was asking due to my own curiosity, so if course previous context doesn't matter.
How is it racist to state (in words or song) you would rather be Scottish than Irish? That's what you've already said on here. That is ridiculous.
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Re: Professional footballer declares that he is gay
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Originally Posted by
gabbsthenewt
I can't believe you would read what Adz wrote then comment what you did without being cool with racism.
It was as if everything was in one ear out of the other.
I asked a question of Adz directly related to what he wrote. Perhaps you can tell me which part of Adz's post is acceptable for me to comment on.
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I have now unticked all the extra quotes :hehe: