Reforms to the game

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17-06-17, 17:58
Cleve van Leef

Reforms to the game

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40311889

Agree?
17-06-17, 18:35
Philbccfc

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40311889

Agree?

in a word no.

far too much tinkering, 60 out of 90 mins thats down to the refs, how many time have we seen time wasting from the first minute and yet the ref only books the keeper in the 90th.

Penalty - pish.

i`ll leave the other fanciful stuff for now.
17-06-17, 18:36
jon1959

Re: Reforms to the game

Whatever happened to four quarters, bigger goals, sin bins, shoulder pads and more advertising?
17-06-17, 18:52
Loramski

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40311889

Agree?

Some good stuff there. Van Basten is behind a lot of this in his role at FIFA and, just as Cruyff brought a lot of coaching ideas from the sport, he's another Dutchman taking some good initiatives from field hockey. The self-pass rule is excellent, it helps the game to flow and stops players from arguing with the ref at every decision as the game moves on instantly. May not be quite as effective in football but definitely worth experimenting with. I've mentioned the rule about penalties on here before, it's ridiculous that a player can have his penalty brilliantly saved by the keeper but tap the rebound in for a goal. How many goes does he want at it? The timekeeping rule has its merits too, that's another idea largely taken from hockey.

Hockey already has video referrals and also has sin bins, rolling subs, shuffles instead of penalty shoot-outs (one on ones with the keeper from 25 yards out) and no offside. Be ready for some, if not all, of these to be suggested soon too.
17-06-17, 18:59
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40311889

Agree?

Football is the world's most popular spectator sport, it is a multi-billion dollar industry. It's stars are as famous as politicians worldwide. So, yes, the game is completely broke and needs complete fixing. FFS.

If the game becomes 60 minutes long, with a stopped clock whenever the ball goes out of play, it will be impossible to have matches that start at the same time to finish at the same time.

The other law changes are not worth discussing because they are purely ridiculous.
17-06-17, 19:03
Wales-Bales

Re: Reforms to the game

Strippers at halftime :welshgirl:
17-06-17, 19:04
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loramski

Some good stuff there. Van Basten is behind a lot of this in his role at FIFA and, just as Cruyff brought a lot of coaching ideas from the sport, he's another Dutchman taking some good initiatives from field hockey. The self-pass rule is excellent, it helps the game to flow and stops players from arguing with the ref at every decision as the game moves on instantly. May not be quite as effective in football but definitely worth experimenting with. I've mentioned the rule about penalties on here before, it's ridiculous that a player can have his penalty brilliantly saved by the keeper but tap the rebound in for a goal. How many goes does he want at it? The timekeeping rule has its merits too, that's another idea largely taken from hockey.

Hockey already has video referrals and also has sin bins, rolling subs, shuffles instead of penalty shoot-outs (one on ones with the keeper from 25 yards out) and no offside. Be ready for some, if not all, of these to be suggested soon too.

The penalty rule is not ridiculous. It has been in place since the 1880s. It's worked for 130 years or more.
17-06-17, 19:07
Joe Gillis

Re: Reforms to the game

This stopping the clock nonsense sounds suspiciously like a USA proposal.
We'll be going to adverts every 5 minutes.
17-06-17, 19:20
Colonel Cærdiffi

Re: Reforms to the game

The only change "Kris" doesn't fear is the one to his own username every few months

http://www.shareplaylists.com/assets...Killington.jpg
17-06-17, 19:22
Wales-Bales

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

The only change "Kris" doesn't fear is the one to his own username every few months

http://www.shareplaylists.com/assets...Killington.jpg

You'll have "Nick" onto you in minute :sherlock:
17-06-17, 19:25
Colonel Cærdiffi

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You'll have "Nick" onto you in minute :sherlock:

Ah yes, "Nick". Not at all suspicious.
17-06-17, 19:57
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loramski

Some good stuff there. Van Basten is behind a lot of this in his role at FIFA and, just as Cruyff brought a lot of coaching ideas from the sport, he's another Dutchman taking some good initiatives from field hockey. The self-pass rule is excellent, it helps the game to flow and stops players from arguing with the ref at every decision as the game moves on instantly. May not be quite as effective in football but definitely worth experimenting with. I've mentioned the rule about penalties on here before, it's ridiculous that a player can have his penalty brilliantly saved by the keeper but tap the rebound in for a goal. How many goes does he want at it? The timekeeping rule has its merits too, that's another idea largely taken from hockey.

Hockey already has video referrals and also has sin bins, rolling subs, shuffles instead of penalty shoot-outs (one on ones with the keeper from 25 yards out) and no offside. Be ready for some, if not all, of these to be suggested soon too.

I'm not sure I agree about the penalties. They are technically special free kicks and just like FKs play begins again once the kick is taken. Maybe they could have a rule that the penalty taker can't touch the ball after a save, like when it rebounds off the woodwork.
17-06-17, 20:20
Llanedeyrnblue

Re: Reforms to the game

Load of shite
17-06-17, 20:21
Eric Cartman

Re: Reforms to the game

I would love a sin bin for cynical fouls, these are so frustrating late on in a game where getting a yellow means nothing. I think clearing up the handball rule is positive too, ask 10 different people and get 10 different definitions.
17-06-17, 20:22
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

The only change "Kris" doesn't fear is the one to his own username every few months

http://www.shareplaylists.com/assets...Killington.jpg

Oh look, everyone is discussing something and you are feeling left out so join with something pointless and a petty accusation. ASW.
17-06-17, 20:22
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

Ah yes, "Nick". Not at all suspicious.

So I am Nick?
17-06-17, 20:24
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

I'm not sure I agree about the penalties. They are technically special free kicks and just like FKs play begins again once the kick is taken. Maybe they could have a rule that the penalty taker can't touch the ball after a save, like when it rebounds off the woodwork.

That doesn't make sense either. What problem does this rule change fix?
17-06-17, 20:28
J R Hartley

Re: Reforms to the game

Absolutely NOT. This will surely only encourage more time wasting,
17-06-17, 20:30
J R Hartley

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loramski

Some good stuff there. Van Basten is behind a lot of this in his role at FIFA and, just as Cruyff brought a lot of coaching ideas from the sport, he's another Dutchman taking some good initiatives from field hockey. The self-pass rule is excellent, it helps the game to flow and stops players from arguing with the ref at every decision as the game moves on instantly. May not be quite as effective in football but definitely worth experimenting with. I've mentioned the rule about penalties on here before, it's ridiculous that a player can have his penalty brilliantly saved by the keeper but tap the rebound in for a goal. How many goes does he want at it? The timekeeping rule has its merits too, that's another idea largely taken from hockey.

Hockey already has video referrals and also has sin bins, rolling subs, shuffles instead of penalty shoot-outs (one on ones with the keeper from 25 yards out) and no offside. Be ready for some, if not all, of these to be suggested soon too.

Hockey ffs. I dont think football needs to learn any lessons from a watered down shinty.
17-06-17, 20:32
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Absolutely NOT. This will surely only encourage more time wasting,

I agree. It would add some "drama" to a penalty, I guess, but I fail to see what problems these rule changes fix.
17-06-17, 20:33
Colonel Cærdiffi

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris

Oh look, everyone is discussing something and you are feeling left out so join with something pointless and a petty accusation. ASW.

your jerger
17-06-17, 20:33
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Hockey ffs. I dont think football needs to learn any lessons from a watered down shinty.

:hehe: Mind you - look at how popular hockey is. Can't move for it on TV these days.
17-06-17, 20:35
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

your jerger

And you're a jerk off. Run along fat boy, the grown ups are talking about rule changes.
17-06-17, 20:35
J R Hartley

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Kris

:hehe: Mind you - look at how popular hockey is. Can't move for it on TV these days.

Plus there's equality issues. I don't know amy straight person, male or female, who plays hockey.
17-06-17, 20:41
Colonel Cærdiffi

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Kris

And you're a jerk off. Run along fat boy, the grown ups are talking about rule changes.

Will you still have the same user name by the end of the thread though?
17-06-17, 20:43
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Plus there's equality issues. I don't know amy straight person, male or female, who plays hockey.

The only rule I think that makes sense is to take the time keeping off the referee.
17-06-17, 20:47
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Kris

That doesn't make sense either. What problem does this rule change fix?

The suggested unfair advantage of having the ball at your feet with no-one marking you and the goalie on the ground, after he/she saved the initial pelanty.
17-06-17, 20:49
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

The suggested unfair advantage of having the ball at your feet with no-one marking you and the goalie on the ground, after he/she saved the initial pelanty.

Hardly an unfair advantage when you consider what the vast majority of pelanties are penalising.
17-06-17, 21:11
Loramski

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

The suggested unfair advantage of having the ball at your feet with no-one marking you and the goalie on the ground, after he/she saved the initial pelanty.

Thanks. I think your suggestion is a decent compromise. Players aren't allowed to have two goes at it in a shoot-out so the precedent is already there.
17-06-17, 21:18
Loramski

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Plus there's equality issues. I don't know amy straight person, male or female, who plays hockey.

My lad has 36 caps for Wales and doesn't know any gay players at all, not that it would bother him in the slightest if he did. He knows two umpires that are and is aware of it in the women's game, of course, but I'm assuming you don't know that many hockey players.
17-06-17, 21:20
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Thanks. I think your suggestion is a decent compromise. Players aren't allowed to have two goes at it in a shoot-out so the precedent is already there.

You cannot compare a penalty given for a foul in the box (usually denying a goal scoring opportunity) with a penalty shootout that is used to decide a level game.
17-06-17, 21:51
J R Hartley

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loramski

My lad has 36 caps for Wales and doesn't know any gay players at all, not that it would bother him in the slightest if he did. He knows two umpires that are and is aware of it in the women's game, of course, but I'm assuming you don't know that many hockey players.

I know several hockey players, both sexes, and all gay.
In fact one of the female ones a good friend of Mrs Hartleys, once propositioned my missus (a good friend) for an orgy but Mrs Hartley sadly declined much to my disappointment. Of course that was on the understanding she didn't bring her best friend, and "male" hockey player, Marcus.
17-06-17, 22:33
Loramski

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I know several hockey players, both sexes, and all gay.
In fact one of the female ones a good friend of Mrs Hartleys, once propositioned my missus (a good friend) for an orgy but Mrs Hartley sadly declined much to my disappointment. Of course that was on the understanding she didn't bring her best friend, and "male" hockey player, Marcus.

I'm confused, sorry, I think you've put the words in the wrong order.
17-06-17, 22:47
Loramski

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Kris

:hehe: Mind you - look at how popular hockey is. Can't move for it on TV these days.

Not the point I was making really. There's an article here on the influence that hockey has had on football, particularly in Holland. Coaches have been prepared to look at the game and take ideas from it, no harm in administrators doing the same. I don't think they'll make drastic changes any time soon but I'm not worried if football wants to evolve over time, most sports do.

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Field-Hoc...s-Field-Hockey
18-06-17, 03:18
the other bob wilson

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by Llanedeyrnblue

Load of shite

Succinctly and accurately, put :thumbup:.
18-06-17, 06:29
Namaste

Re: Reforms to the game

Ere's something... why not change the shape of the penalty box, to a circle of sorts that closes closer to the goals.
Reason for this? Well, I think it's unfair a pen can be given when a foul has been committed so far away from goals, such as down in the corner of the current box. This position clearly isn't a 'clear goal scoring' position, so why should a pen be given ??
18-06-17, 07:00
lardy

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kris

Football is the world's most popular spectator sport, it is a multi-billion dollar industry. It's stars are as famous as politicians worldwide. So, yes, the game is completely broke and needs complete fixing. FFS.

If the game becomes 60 minutes long, with a stopped clock whenever the ball goes out of play, it will be impossible to have matches that start at the same time to finish at the same time.

The other law changes are not worth discussing because they are purely ridiculous.

Fair point about matches finishing at roughly the same time. Timewasting can be dealt with in other ways, less drastic than this.
18-06-17, 07:18
bobh

Re: Reforms to the game

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Originally Posted by lardy

Fair point about matches finishing at roughly the same time. Timewasting can be dealt with in other ways, less drastic than this.

Timewasting can be dealt with NOW. It only needs refs to apply the current laws in a consistent manner.
18-06-17, 11:44
Kris

Re: Reforms to the game

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobh

Timewasting can be dealt with NOW. It only needs refs to apply the current laws in a consistent manner.

Exactly. Although taking the responsibility of time management from the referee and passing it to the 4th official could be one small change that is necessary.

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