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I'm really disappointed he didn't wear a cape or a Captain Britain outfit for his comeback.
He'll have it all sorted by the weekend. Have trust in him.
That's what the red tops will be saying in the morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
No mention of the shameful level of deaths in the UK. Over 40000 so far.
40,000????Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
Couldn't help smiling when he judged the moment of maximum risk to be the one when he returned to public life :hehe:
Gave it a week since that Sunday Times' enquiry and banned questions about it before coming back too, best bit of crisis management from him this year.
More unsubstantiated ‘facts’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9477761.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The bleach worked then:hehe:
did you spot the words "suggests" and "probably" in that article, and I only read a part of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
I think you'll find that when they strip out the number of people who were dying anyway and the number of folks who normally die in the period then the covid 19 count will be considerably lower than that
doctors are putting it on death certs if it was present or if the believe it might be because it is reportable, but that doesn't mean it was.
I think 40,000 is a bit sensationalist.
everybody reads the papers and news outlets that suit them and then believe what they want to believe. so many rant about journalist and papers until one prints something that suits their take on a subject. you should question everything.
As I don't subscribe to the Independent I can't read the link but the real figure is probably near 40000 as the 20000 figure used by the government only represents deaths in hospitals.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
You can read without registering, just cross the pop up box offQuote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Probably again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
The point is all these figures are speculative, and whatever the speculation is is couched in words that make the reader think its a worse or better outcome depending on which side of the argument the writier/ paper/ program is on.
Watch Yes Prime minister when they are discussing opinion polls (For conscription I think).
I'm not making any arguments or preferences, I'm just providing the evidence for Mr CorbynQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The 40k deaths is definitely speculative as that figure relies on the information recorded on death certificates by the GP. Given that the patients in nursing homes for example have not been tested for CV-19 a recorded death can only be speculated by the GP as the GP could equally say the person died of pneumonia which is a by product of CV-19. If the death certificate states pneumonia then that would eliminate CV-19 from the statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
One of the strange by products of all of this is the Times/Sunday Times/Financial Times have, seemingly, been designated as unfriendly when it comes to supporting the Government. It was being reported yesterday that the Sunday Times is not being allowed to ask questions at the daily Government briefings any more,Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
We do know that care home deaths, and deaths at home are not being recorded. Anecdotal, but a local care home has lost 4 residents this week alone. We are already at 20,500 in hospitals alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
The Telegraph report the following too
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...nhs-hospitals/
Its baffling, the "biased newspapers" argument may have made sense if the numbers came from a source who are at least somewhat left leaningQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Might aswell double it eh? How may died of it? Or just caught after pneumonia maybe? Imagine the bungaling geography teacher had been in charge eh? Now that’s a scary thoughtQuote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
Jesus talk about whataboutism and defending the government at all costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
How is anything you said a counter argument?
We are all 'dying anyway'. I don't quite understand this line of thinking, once you are a certain age or level of sickness you shouldn't count as a person in the figures anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
We should demand full transparency.
Have you read the methodology behind the analysis cited above?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Imagine if the winning candidate in the Tory leadership race was the one that everyone knows is an obscene liar, madly career orientated to the point where he'd trample over anyone to become PM and is notorious for not being a details man - if you want him to read it, make sure it's less than two sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
We don't have to imagine, because he won.
Yes I do not understand that argument at all. Should we stop all chemotherapy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Does that happen with the flu figures that are commonly used for comparison?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
March 12 Areta tests positive for covid 19.
Premier league and EFL games called off weekend 14/15/16 March.How many lives did that save.
27 march Boris Johnson said he was shaking hands with corona virus patients just weeks before he tested positive for Covid-19. The prime minister confirmed he had entered self-isolation on Friday 27 March. Early that month, he insisted that people would be pleased to know' that the virus would not stop him greeting hospital patients with a handshake.
23 March UK lock down starts probably 2 weeks to late.
I will never change my opinion that Johnson is a clown.
60,70 or 80 thousand deaths should be being reported, even if it’s not true, perhaps the death toll should be exaggerated to hit home how serious this is to people who think it’s ok to congregate down The Docks eating ice cream on a warm Sunday. Complacency is creeping in and nothing is being done about it, seems as though some people do need to be rudely awakened.
" Do you want to come and see some puppies " Corbyn would have done better? Not a chance he couldn't run his own party nevermind a country :wave::hehe::hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
That's irrelevant Corbyn is not prime minister.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Johnson is a self serving clown whose actions may have caused thousands more deaths than was necessary.
Wonder what the death rate figures would have been with Corbyn and Abbott at the helm? She'd have still been looking for Loch Down up in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
1000s,dead. Lack of PPE. A, phoney lockdown weeks to late and you reckon no one else could have done a better job..Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
The Government or lack of one had one thing on there minds..
Brexit means Brexit
How is that relevant here? nothing but whataboutism because you "support" the toriesQuote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
And Raab would still be wondering if Calais was in France.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
So you believe any other government would have led to less deaths?Quote:
Originally Posted by dandywarhol
Easy belief when you know full well you're unable to prove that.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
*fewerQuote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is
I don't believe anyone could have done any worse.
Again, that's a belief and you're entitled to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Absolutely no way you can objectively prove it, of course.
I've been thinking about that question for a while.
My initial thought was that a labour government, especially a left one would have been more likely to have acted earlier.
Tories hate the government doing anything - ever. They want the free market and choice to solve all of our problems, so I think this was partly responsible for the delay in action at the start of this crisis.
Labour wouldn't have had this - but you can be confident that they would have had whatever action they produced very severely criticized in the media in a way that the Tories have mostly been insulated from thus far, which could itself have affected their choices, or how well the public would have stuck to the advice.
So you think corbyn looks like a sex offender ?Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
That's a matter of opinion and I dont think he has any convictions
But here are some facts , not opinions , about boris
He lied about europe to get brexit through
He said black people have watermelon smiles , an extremely offensive term used during the days of slavery in the united states
He said gay men were bum boys
Hes a grown man and uses racist homophobic language and he lies
And all you can say in his defence is that at least he doesn't look like someone you compare to a sex offender ?
You are mad as a box of frogs
Other governments around the world have shown that with good leadership deaths could have been kept to a minimum and others have shown that things could be worse but not much more worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by tell it like it is