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Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
They were 17 ?
I am amazed he wasn't spoken to by the police about these matters
Maybe they cautioned him ?
If any of the learners were under 16 then he's surely got to be cautioned ?
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He was in a position of trust and power, which he abused for his own nefarious motives, he's a wrong un and should be quite rightly be dealt with by the courts system.
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
They were 17 ?
I am amazed he wasn't spoken to by the police about these matters
Maybe they cautioned him ?
If any of the learners were under 16 then he's surely got to be cautioned ?
The accusations were also handed to South Wales Police who the hearing was told conducted an investigation and that no further action was taken.
Maybe underage was the wrong wording. Definitely inappropriate. I'm 35 you won't catch me dead talking to even a 21 year old, nothing wrong with it in the eyes of the law but that's a no no for me. Younger than one of my niece and nephews ffs.
17 year old? Not a ****ing chance. Blokes a wrongun.
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
The accusations were also handed to South Wales Police who the hearing was told conducted an investigation and that no further action was taken.
Maybe underage was the wrong wording. Definitely inappropriate. I'm 35 you won't catch me dead talking to even a 21 year old, nothing wrong with it in the eyes of the law but that's a no no for me. Younger than one of my niece and nephews ffs.
17 year old? Not a ****ing chance. Blokes a wrongun.
You may think so and I may agree but if she is 17 there is no offence unless he was in a position of trust regarding her.
The line has to be drawn somewhere. Where do you want it set?
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
The accusations were also handed to South Wales Police who the hearing was told conducted an investigation and that no further action was taken.
Maybe underage was the wrong wording. Definitely inappropriate. I'm 35 you won't catch me dead talking to even a 21 year old, nothing wrong with it in the eyes of the law but that's a no no for me. Younger than one of my niece and nephews ffs.
17 year old? Not a ****ing chance. Blokes a wrongun.
You would be polite to a 17 year old, You can think blimey she's attractive .
But sending them suggestive messages ?
If a 21 year old student offered you sex as a 40 year old you would be flattered but surely you would be a good guy and say I am twice your age ?
But to be in a position of authority and trust and be sending sexualised texts to a 17 year old ?
He's lost his job . It's totally inappropriate but it's clearly not illegal or the bloke would be under arrest 🤔
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
You may think so and I may agree but if she is 17 there is no offence unless he was in a position of trust regarding her.
The line has to be drawn somewhere. Where do you want it set?
I agree but he was her tutor ?
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The hearin during his employment as a work-based learning practitioner Byard would oversee around 40 learners on a day to day basis, aged between 16 and 18-years-old.g heard how
so a grown man (now 31 ) sending "sexually motivated" messages to a 16 yr old
Christian is a UEFA B Licence coach, an FAW Coach Educator and by day is a Lecturer at the Cardiff City Foundation
This is a guy in a position of trust, A shame he will not do time, as he deserves it
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
The hearin during his employment as a work-based learning practitioner Byard would oversee around 40 learners on a day to day basis, aged between 16 and 18-years-old.g heard how
so a grown man (now 31 ) sending "sexually motivated" messages to a 16 yr old
Christian is a UEFA B Licence coach, an FAW Coach Educator and by day is a Lecturer at the Cardiff City Foundation
This is a guy in a position of trust, A shame he will not do time, as he deserves it
When I was at school one of the teachers , in his forties , had an affair with a sixth former who was 17 at the time .
He's lucky as these days because he was in a position of trust he would be in trouble
You would think
But if this bloke sent sexual messages to girls over the age of consent but he was their tutor surely he breaches his position of trust ?
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
When I was at school one of the teachers , in his forties , had an affair with a sixth former who was 17 at the time .
He's lucky as these days because he was in a position of trust he would be in trouble
You would think
But if this bloke sent sexual messages to girls over the age of consent but he was their tutor surely he breaches his position of trust ?
Agreed and it may be excellent grounds for sacking but whether it is criminal is another matter also did the girl(s) reply and cod what they replied have encouraged him. Remember over 16 they are of the age of consent .
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Agreed and it may be excellent grounds for sacking but whether it is criminal is another matter also did the girl(s) reply and cod what they replied have encouraged him. Remember over 16 they are of the age of consent .
If it was criminal I think he would have been arrested
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There was a loophole closed in March 2021 where coaches were not considered to be in positions of trust, like teachers etc.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/56234559
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
You may think so and I may agree but if she is 17 there is no offence unless he was in a position of trust regarding her.
The line has to be drawn somewhere. Where do you want it set?
He was her coach. Isn't that someone you should trust not to behave inappropriately?
I've said it isn't against the law. It's still ****ing weird mind.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Agreed and it may be excellent grounds for sacking but whether it is criminal is another matter also did the girl(s) reply and cod what they replied have encouraged him. Remember over 16 they are of the age of consent .
Did the girl encourage him???? Are you for bloody real. Just read that back again and take a long hard look at yourself. In a week when the headlines have been full of stories about Sarah Everard and girls and women being afraid to walk the streets on their own this is your take on this story. Hang your head in shame.
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I've almost become immune to the scumbags like him now. What gets me as or more angry are the idiots who didn't sack him. When presented with that evidence, who in their right minds think 'we'll just give him an informal warning'. They're guilty of letting him get away with it.
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Originally Posted by
chrisp_1927
I've almost become immune to the scumbags like him now. What gets me as or more angry are the idiots who didn't sack him. When presented with that evidence, who in their right minds think 'we'll just give him an informal warning'. They're guilty of letting him get away with it.
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It is certainly disconcerting that such misbehaviour hasn't been seen as "gross misconduct" and a sackable offence. Having said that unless it is defined as such in a contract of employment or staff handbook then it is difficult to justify dismissal.
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
They were 17 ?
I am amazed he wasn't spoken to by the police about these matters
Maybe they cautioned him ?
If any of the learners were under 16 then he's surely got to be cautioned ?
17 is legal Sludge but that's not the point. The man is a wrong un, he was in a position of trust and abused that trust. If under 16 then charge him with inciting a minor with sexual activity.
NB at 17, you're still a child. any man (or woman) over the age of say 21 needs to rethink their life choices if they're targeting someone that young. Whilst not illegal, its definitely not right.
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ninian opinian
Did the girl encourage him???? Are you for bloody real. Just read that back again and take a long hard look at yourself. In a week when the headlines have been full of stories about Sarah Everard and girls and women being afraid to walk the streets on their own this is your take on this story. Hang your head in shame.
haven't you heard, girls ask for it by wearing revealing clothing
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
17 is legal Sludge but that's not the point. The man is a wrong un, he was in a position of trust and abused that trust. If under 16 then charge him with inciting a minor with sexual activity.
NB at 17, you're still a child. any man (or woman) over the age of say 21 needs to rethink their life choices if they're targeting someone that young. Whilst not illegal, its definitely not right.
Loads of blokes in their early twenties are seeing 6 form girls over 16
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Loads of blokes in their early twenties are seeing 6 form girls over 16
Wronguns.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Wronguns.
It has always been thus
If I was 21 and a 17 year old sixth former offered me a weekend at her parents house I would have jumped at the chance
And anyone who is a straight male who says they wouldn't is fibbing
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It has always been thus
If I was 21 and a 17 year old sixth former offered me a weekend at her parents house I would have jumped at the chance
And anyone who is a straight male who says they wouldn't is fibbing
I must be fibbing then.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
I must be fibbing then.
Clearly
A young males mind is ruled by his dick,
Once he knew a girl was over 16 a young lad would be like a rat up a drainpipe
It isn't until you get into your mid to late twenties you realise that a gap between you and a girl of ten years is odd
Our moral stand is wasted on a 21 year old lad offered sex by a sixth former
It's absurd to suggest once you leave school you stop fancying and actively getting involved with young girls over 16
It happens and its always happened
A guy of 30 having sex with a 16 year old is wrong , he's a wrong un etc etc
And this guy was clearly 30 plus so certainly knew better
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Clearly
A young males mind is ruled by his dick,
Once he knew a girl was over 16 a young lad would be like a rat up a drainpipe
It isn't until you get into your mid to late twenties you realise that a gap between you and a girl of ten years is odd
Our moral stand is wasted on a 21 year old lad offered sex by a sixth former
It's absurd to suggest once you leave school you stop fancying and actively getting involved with young girls over 16
It happens and its always happened
A guy of 30 having sex with a 16 year old is wrong , he's a wrong un etc etc
And this guy was clearly 30 plus so certainly knew better
If I was 18 or 19 maybe. Not 21.
We used to call the lads that parked up outside school all sorts.. 21 year olds parked over the shops talking to girls in school uniform. 6th form or not that's ****ing weird.
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dembethewarrior
If I was 18 or 19 maybe. Not 21.
We used to call the lads that parked up outside school all sorts.. 21 year olds parked over the shops talking to girls in school uniform. 6th form or not that's ****ing weird.
I was 21 seeing a girl finishing her A levels , it didn't last long and it was heavy petting not intercourse
If I was 26 it wouldn't be as common but it still happens
When you are 21 a 17 year old sixth former doing her a levels is very normal
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I was 21 seeing a girl finishing her A levels , it didn't last long and it was heavy petting not intercourse
If I was 26 it wouldn't be as common but it still happens
When you are 21 a 17 year old sixth former doing her a levels is very normal
We have a difference in opinion. I don't think it should happen, you do, we move on.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
It has always been thus
If I was 21 and a 17 year old sixth former offered me a weekend at her parents house I would have jumped at the chance
And anyone who is a straight male who says they wouldn't is fibbing
I disagree. I wouldn't have gone there.
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
If I was 18 or 19 maybe. Not 21.
We used to call the lads that parked up outside school all sorts.. 21 year olds parked over the shops talking to girls in school uniform. 6th form or not that's ****ing weird.
Agree.
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I was 21 seeing a girl finishing her A levels , it didn't last long and it was heavy petting not intercourse
If I was 26 it wouldn't be as common but it still happens
When you are 21 a 17 year old sixth former doing her a levels is very normal
It's legal, but odd in my opinion. In the eyes of the law she's not even an adult. That wouldn't sit well with me.
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Tuerto
It's legal, but odd in my opinion. In the eyes of the law she's not even an adult. That wouldn't sit well with me.
Definitely oddballs. Nothing wrong with it in the sense they are legal, but I just find it strange. Always think people that go for younger girls do it because they can't find anyone their own age.
Mind you when I was 19 I had 2 missus who were 26 :hehe:
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Re: Former city foundation worker messages underage girls
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Originally Posted by
Feedback
17 is legal Sludge but that's not the point. The man is a wrong un, he was in a position of trust and abused that trust. If under 16 then charge him with inciting a minor with sexual activity.
NB at 17, you're still a child. any man (or woman) over the age of say 21 needs to rethink their life choices if they're targeting someone that young. Whilst not illegal, its definitely not right.
The law must set a line somewhere. If 16 is too young where do you think it should be Set?
Try telling 17 Yr old girls that they are too young to make a decision about having sex and see how far you get.
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Tuerto
I disagree. I wouldn't have gone there.
Well you can't really say that with certainty unless you were 21 and a 17 year old girl gave you the offer
I think this faux honourable man with regard to a 21 year old man with a perfectly normal sex drive is nonsense
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dembethewarrior
We have a difference in opinion. I don't think it should happen, you do, we move on.
If you were 21 at a party and a sexy girl of 17 came onto you I don't believe you would get all moral and turn it down
Looking back as a 35 year old man is different
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Definitely oddballs. Nothing wrong with it in the sense they are legal, but I just find it strange. Always think people that go for younger girls do it because they can't find anyone their own age.
Mind you when I was 19 I had 2 missus who were 26 :hehe:
Well there you go then 🙄
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
It's legal, but odd in my opinion. In the eyes of the law she's not even an adult. That wouldn't sit well with me.
I think you are not being honest
You are 21 , at a party , a girl you know is 17 , doing her a levels whispers in your ear
Are you telling me you would , as a young man with a healthy normal sex drive get all modern man and moralistic ?
Utter bollocks
You may think that now , but you wouldn't have grasped that sort of moralistic concept then
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
We have a difference in opinion. I don't think it should happen, you do, we move on.
I think that you as a 35 year old guy would have the views you have
But as a 21 year old ?
No chance. Unless you are saying you had several women aged 17 , 18 , offering you sex at 21 and you thought ..no , that's clearly wrong ! Leave me alone
No chance
You are looking at this through the eyes of a 35 year old and making a moral judgement , not you as a 21 year old with a very attractive 17 year old saying hello 😀
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Well you can't really say that with certainty unless you were 21 and a 17 year old girl gave you the offer
I think this faux honourable man with regard to a 21 year old man with a perfectly normal sex drive is nonsense
I can say it with certainty. I know that i wouldn't have bothered a 17 year old when i was 21. At that age i'd been working 6 years, had a house and wasn't in the circles of teenage girls.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I think you are not being honest
You are 21 , at a party , a girl you know is 17 , doing her a levels whispers in your ear
Are you telling me you would , as a young man with a healthy normal sex drive get all modern man and moralistic ?
Utter bollocks
You may think that now , but you wouldn't have grasped that sort of moralistic concept then
No way would have i gone there, not a chance. You seem to think that all men are alike. I had a child at 22, a mortgage and a missus, i wasn't about hanging around young girls.
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Tuerto
I can say it with certainty. I know that i wouldn't have bothered a 17 year old when i was 21. At that age i'd been working 6 years, had a house and wasn't in the circles of teenage girls.
If you were in a relationship then you could say that with certainty
But a single man , 21 , 17 year old coming onto you ?
No chance
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
No way would have i gone there, not a chance. You seem to think that all men are alike. I had a child at 22, a mortgage and a missus, i wasn't about hanging around young girls.
You had a child , you had a partner
You were not a 21 year old young man with a high sex drive being handed sex on a plate with a 17 year old
If you were in a relationship then of course you probably wouldn't have crossed the line
But I am talking about a young man at a party with an attractive 17 year old coming onto him
You are denying nature , it takes over , you don't think I am a respectable enlightened man of principle who has read books on female emancipation , you go for it
You clearly were not that guy as you were shacked up with a kid
If you wernt you would be rolling around in the hay
We are not talking a bloke in a souped up fiesta driving past the school gates at 25
Now that's creepy