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Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close
Countries advising thier citizens to leave immediately, wonder if there is new Intel ?
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Countries advising thier citizens to leave immediately, wonder if there is new Intel ?
It rather does sound like it's imminent. I imagine satellite and other information leads the US to believe everything is now in place for an invasion.
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Russian diplomatic staff are leaving Ukraine, according to report by RIA Novosti, a Russian state-owned news agency.
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Putin's mad enough to invade.
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we are about to send over more troops, one of the dads of one of my players was told yesterday to be on standby and expect to go this weekend
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I hope there's no war at all. Nobody benefits but if there is to be a war, I hope the UK stays well out of it.
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keep your eyes peeled for Facebook memes saying that NATO is the aggressor, Putin is right to invade etc
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Germany calls on its nationals to leave Ukraine immediately
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All nato troops including British and American are being withdrawn from the country and will be gone by this weekend.
Relocation to NATO bases in Eastern Europe
Invasion scheduled for next Wednesday.
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It's a strange business. I'm sure that at some point Russia will invade. But Putin is being encouraged by the fact that the West seem almost happy to let him; Biden says that not one American solider will fight in Ukraine, while the UK sends the simpering Liz Truss to tell that him we'll wave some sanctions at them. I bet he's really scared. It's all so similar to the days leading up to the start of World War Two - lots of appeasing going on, with everyone wringing their hands, but doing very little.
Russia only respond to force. If America landed some troops in Ukraine, the Russians might scream and shout about aggression, but they'd be far less likely to cross the border.
I think I might go out and fill the car up. If anything kicks off, fuel prices will go through the roof.
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It was previously said that the threat of invasion wasn't immediate because despite the large numbers of troop there were no medical support units in the mix, and they would clearly be sorely needed in an attack.
That must have changed quite dramatically in the last 48 hours or so.
If the Russian Generals think the Ukrainians will just roll over I think they are in for a dreadful shock.
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Some say Russia is there to deter the Ukraine joining NATO or Europe surely an invasion would create this ??
Is this the poker game plan ?
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xsnaggle
It was previously said that the threat of invasion wasn't immediate because despite the large numbers of troop there were no medical support units in the mix, and they would clearly be sorely needed in an attack.
That must have changed quite dramatically in the last 48 hours or so.
If the Russian Generals think the Ukrainians will just roll over I think they are in for a dreadful shock.
they are outgunned, little aerial support ( though I believe the UK have sent over rapier to combat that, or were talking about it ) a massive amount of Russian tanks on the border ( we also have sent a few Javelin's to help with that ), but they will be fighting street to street and we know thats tough and slow going, wouldn't think that will bother Putin though, the press will report victories and the public will lap it up
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Putin will have a nightmare on his doorstep for years and years if he does. Ukraine has 45 million people….Chechnya it isn’t.
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can see energy prices in the west taking another hit especially now china are in bed with russia
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ce-2022-02-04/
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But, but, Putin and his cronies have said they have no plans to invade the Ukraine?
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blue matt
they are outgunned, little aerial support ( though I believe the UK have sent over rapier to combat that, or were talking about it ) a massive amount of Russian tanks on the border ( we also have sent a few Javelin's to help with that ), but they will be fighting street to street and we know thats tough and slow going, wouldn't think that will bother Putin though, the press will report victories and the public will lap it up
When the Russian soldiers are repatriated in body bags, public opinion could quickly turn against Putin.
The Russian GDP is less than that of a state like California. I don't think the Russian people will stomach a costly war.
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Rjk
keep your eyes peeled for Facebook memes saying that NATO is the aggressor, Putin is right to invade etc
Eagerly shared by a bunch of scum who think they're a cut above the 'sheeple '. Will keep the antivaxers busy i suppose, another cause they can jump straight into
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
When the Russian soldiers are repatriated in body bags, public opinion could quickly turn against Putin.
The Russian GDP is less than that of a state like California. I don't think the Russian people will stomach a costly war.
I don't think Putin particularly cares what the Russian people think though
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delmbox
I don't think Putin particularly cares what the Russian people think though
Exactly.
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B. Oddie
I hope there's no war at all. Nobody benefits but if there is to be a war, I hope the UK stays well out of it.
War, what is it good for, it's good for business..
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blue matt
they are outgunned, little aerial support ( though I believe the UK have sent over rapier to combat that, or were talking about it ) a massive amount of Russian tanks on the border ( we also have sent a few Javelin's to help with that ), but they will be fighting street to street and we know thats tough and slow going, wouldn't think that will bother Putin though, the press will report victories and the public will lap it up
that didn't stop ISIS or the taliban or the FNL for that matter..guerilla warfare it will be.
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It could easily turn into a repeat of their incursion into Afghanistan, which was a disaster in terms of the prestige of their military and in loss of men. And the body bags going home did have a great affect on the peoples attitude to things. It took them 10 years to admit defeat but it was clear in 10 months.
The superiority in aircraft and tanks is less relevant that you may think. The more their aircraft fly the more there is a chance they can be hit, and unlike the planes of yesteryear you can't replace a lost fighter with another one rolling out of the factory in 2 weeks. That is why good quality anti aircraft weaponry is more valuable to the defender than aircraft.
As for tanks, modern warfare theory is that you don't fight tanks with tanks, you fight tanks with infantry properly trained in the use of anti tank weaponry, which again large quantities of have been given to Ukraine, and British soldiers have been training soldiers in their use.
The other problem they will have is a swift advance will stretch their supply lines and leave pockets of Ukrainians in place behind the advance to disrupt and destroy the back up troop which, in all such scenarios are the less effective less well trained/disciplined.
Again it is the general accepted doctrine that to attack a prepared defended position you need 3 times the force you are attacking. So to attack a regiment dug in you need a brigade and so on. And the defenders know the ground and have time to lay traps. If you use that 3/1 logic then 130,000 men is not that many considering for every 1 who is a "teeth arm" soldier there are 5 non teeth arm soldiers to feed supply protect and care for. The sheer logistics of it is quite formidable and if it isn't run right (Or allowed to run right) it can be self defeating.
If Putin tries and fails, even if it takes him years to admit failure, he will never recover from it. If he can find a way out without losing face he will take it
They may well be able to push and armoured thrust straight in to Kiev in a matter of hours but I'd be very surprised if in the days weeks and months that followed they will sorely wish they weren't there.
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ToTaL ITK
that didn't stop ISIS or the taliban or the FNL for that matter..guerilla warfare it will be.
It's a big country , wonder if we would see Western backed covert support for the Ukraine guerilla warfare campaign ?
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
It could easily turn into a repeat of their incursion into Afghanistan, which was a disaster in terms of the prestige of their military and in loss of men. And the body bags going home did have a great affect on the peoples attitude to things. It took them 10 years to admit defeat but it was clear in 10 months.
The superiority in aircraft and tanks is less relevant that you may think. The more their aircraft fly the more there is a chance they can be hit, and unlike the planes of yesteryear you can't replace a lost fighter with another one rolling out of the factory in 2 weeks. That is why good quality anti aircraft weaponry is more valuable to the defender than aircraft.
As for tanks, modern warfare theory is that you don't fight tanks with tanks, you fight tanks with infantry properly trained in the use of anti tank weaponry, which again large quantities of have been given to Ukraine, and British soldiers have been training soldiers in their use.
The other problem they will have is a swift advance will stretch their supply lines and leave pockets of Ukrainians in place behind the advance to disrupt and destroy the back up troop which, in all such scenarios are the less effective less well trained/disciplined.
Again it is the general accepted doctrine that to attack a prepared defended position you need 3 times the force you are attacking. So to attack a regiment dug in you need a brigade and so on. And the defenders know the ground and have time to lay traps. If you use that 3/1 logic then 130,000 men is not that many considering for every 1 who is a "teeth arm" soldier there are 5 non teeth arm soldiers to feed supply protect and care for. The sheer logistics of it is quite formidable and if it isn't run right (Or allowed to run right) it can be self defeating.
If Putin tries and fails, even if it takes him years to admit failure, he will never recover from it. If he can find a way out without losing face he will take it
They may well be able to push and armoured thrust straight in to Kiev in a matter of hours but I'd be very surprised if in the days weeks and months that followed they will sorely wish they weren't there.
Chechnya would seem like a walk in the park compared with what they'd face in the Ukraine.
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
Chechnya would seem like a walk in the park compared with what they'd face in the Ukraine.
I agree 100%. And Putin is not stupid. I have it in the back of my mind that he thought the West would back down before now and that he is now in a cleft stick, attack and lose he loses face, withdraw and he loses face. That is why this time is so critical
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life on mars
It's a big country , wonder if we would see Western backed covert support for the Ukraine guerilla warfare campaign ?
no idea...hope it won't get that far.
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Boris Churchill is at the helm, we can rest safe in our beds:facepalm:
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splott parker
Boris Churchill is at the helm, we can rest safe in our beds:facepalm:
He's as high as Johnson on the bellendometer but Dominic Cummings makes a good point here
https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/stat...sgGCLX7hmW-S0g
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Part of me says we should call Putin's bluff as he keeps saying that the reaction of NATO/The West is simply hysteria and he has no intention of invading Ukraine. So sit back and see.
On the other hand, of course, he may not be bluffing at all and will invade with the inevitable loss of life and for what? If the reason is to prevent Ukraine becoming part of the NATO alliance, surely that is crazy because if Ukraine becomes part of Russia then not only will Putin have NATO members Estonia and Latvia as next door neighbours but Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania as well!
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Rjk
:hehe: so true
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life on mars
Countries advising thier citizens to leave immediately, wonder if there is new Intel ?
Winter Olympics ends in nine days' time
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blue matt
we are about to send over more troops, one of the dads of one of my players was told yesterday to be on standby and expect to go this weekend
Fairford busier than normal.
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.u...ican-b-6632491
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I haven't really kept up with this. What's the issue exactly, why would Russia want to invade them?
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Gofer Blue
Part of me says we should call Putin's bluff as he keeps saying that the reaction of NATO/The West is simply hysteria and he has no intention of invading Ukraine. So sit back and see.
On the other hand, of course, he may not be bluffing at all and will invade with the inevitable loss of life and for what? If the reason is to prevent Ukraine becoming part of the NATO alliance, surely that is crazy because if Ukraine becomes part of Russia then not only will Putin have NATO members Estonia and Latvia as next door neighbours but Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania as well!
NATO was born out of the cold war with the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, and established a balance of power which kept the peace, and acted as a deterrent to both 'sides'. The Soviet Union is no more, nor is the Warsaw Pact, yet NATO prevails. Putin isn't arguing for it's disbandment, just assurances that Ukraine won't become a member - assurances which the West gave Russia previously. If I were Putin I wouldn't want missiles on my border pointing at me.
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Alan Lung
I haven't really kept up with this. What's the issue exactly, why would Russia want to invade them?
Putin, being the dyed-in-the-wool ex-KGB thug, wants to restore the old Soviet Union.
He will get international condemnation if he invades the Ukraine a second time , so he will probably think to himself.... "Why stop there, why not move on to Georgia"?
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A Quiet Monkfish
NATO was born out of the cold war with the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact, and established a balance of power which kept the peace, and acted as a deterrent to both 'sides'. The Soviet Union is no more, nor is the Warsaw Pact, yet NATO prevails. Putin isn't arguing for it's disbandment, just assurances that Ukraine won't become a member - assurances which the West gave Russia previously. If I were Putin I wouldn't want missiles on my border pointing at me.
Why? I’m sure he’s got enough pointing our way, it’s not like they can only travel a few miles is it? Ukraine is it’s own country, a big one too, it’s not the dark ages why should it feel threatened by Russia in 2022 after decades of independence? I’m glad we have NATO to deter loonies like putin
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splott parker
Boris Churchill is at the helm, we can rest safe in our beds:facepalm:
And Maggie Truss did you see the hat FFS