FFS, the bloke is such an absolute tyrant.
Coupled with the invasion itself, this is arguably the most significant development in European politics since the fall of communism
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FFS, the bloke is such an absolute tyrant.
Coupled with the invasion itself, this is arguably the most significant development in European politics since the fall of communism
Yeah, worrying this, difficult to see anything other than escalation as a resultQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Takes the pressure off Hudson I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Have a listen to this 5 hour podcast (split into 10 episodes) about Putin. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/m0015nfdQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Yes you've got to think he'll be pleased with thisQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Ur just trying to get me off CCMB for 5 hours. I know ur game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I can't see Ukraine taking a lot of notice. The only thing that changes is that Russia could technically use this as an excuse to use bigger (possibly nuclear) weapons. Those regions are now a part of Russia (in their eyes), so they could claim their sovereign soil is being attacked, and retaliate big time. I used to think that not even Putin was stupid enough to do that, but now I'm not so sure.
I'm starting to think he'll do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tforturton
Why not?
Invading the Ukraine was apparently not acceptable, but he went and did it anyway. Almost as a test to the west, a "let's see what they do" kind of scenario.
He's pushing boundaries and clearly isn't afraid to do so.
Why not when all that happens is more "sanctions"...
On the other hand this could be his face saving get out. “We’ve achieved our goal of freeing our brethren” etc. then back off for a period, as he did in Crimea. Hopefully I’m right for a change.
It's possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
We all know though that it's unlikely that Zelensky and his boys will settle for that.
They'll be looking to take back that territory for sure. This is where it gets tricky. If Zelensky and the west just accept it, that gives Putin more power and bigger balls. The more he gets away with, the more he will attempt for sure.
His ultimate aim is to take back all territories that belonged to the "Soviet Union".
Where does the west draw the line?
Do they let him and risk a never-ending push for power from him, or do they stop him?
I think it's clear that sanctions are never going to work.
Backing Ukraine with weapons is eventually going to become more and more difficult, how fast can other nations produce/provide more and more?
Then you have the Chinese, who will merely use Russia as a pawn. They want more too. They want what they consider their own territories back.
Very ominous, and probably very drawn out. You can only hope that nukes don't start flying as, if they do, little old blighty is probably going first.
It’s almost meaningless though, Ukraine are taking back their land almost daily, along with 1000’s of Russian troops giving up?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Be great to see him take a bullet soon. The world would have a party no doubt
Sanctions ff sake
Biden and the rest of the west are toothless simpletons
What is your simplistic solution, old fruit?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Has the Ukraine military gone for targets actually in Russia, or has it just been defence strategy against the invasion on its own territory? I’m guessing their Air Force don’t have the capability to do so but surely the war will escalate even further if cruise missiles supplied by the west start flying into mainland Russia.
Well doing feck all and calling them naughty Russians clearly isn't a solution of any kindQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
So what's your simplistic solution?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I wouldn't mind betting that plans are already underway to take Putin out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
After all, there's no doubt many of his own that would love to see him gone.
The problem of course is getting to him.
Even getting to him from the inside is probably tough going. It would likely take a few good men sacrificing themselves.
It's too late now , we were warned that he was massing troops and the west did nothingQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
The time to front up was then
All this talk won't achieve a think , putin will leave when he's saved face
I am sure you have a solution ?
I don’t think there are any plans to take him out , as it would cause absolute chaos and have huge implications.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
His own people would have to do that.
You are the person who writes in superficial quips and sees things in black and white.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't pretend that I have a solution and appreciate that the pre-cursors to the conflict were complex and nuanced - and as to what action could be realistically taken once the Crimea was invaded and occupied and the actions by Russia that subsequently followed this year.
You seem to be short on coming up with simplistic solutions past and present.
Well let's be frank here ......you are not coming up with anything at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Except to say its a complex situation
It's all about limiting the death count now
What do you reckon ?
If you want to limit the death count - in the short term at least - then the west says that Russia can keep it's four regions and to hell to Ukraine.
But that is morally reprehensible.
There is no easy solution whatsoever, and the chance of an easy way out just got harder, cos now Putin has formally considered these regions part of Russia, he will never give them up - previously he theoretically may have withdrawn and claimed he stood up for Russians in the regions..now they are part of Russia in his eyes and he's holding onto them.
It makes it far less likely any successor would give them up too, as they are instantly viewed as being weak in the eyes of many Russians.
Was a serious diplomatic escalation in my eyes today.
Well as we didn't act when we were warned then I am afraid giving the tosser what he wants is probably the best solutionQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It may be morally bankrupt but the alternative seems to be a land war 🤔
I was looking at Biden on tv saying he's sent another message to putin with new sanctions and I thought you are two years behind here buddy
Giving up the Eastern flank is shocking but without any action other than saying oh you are awful 😖 from the west this is where it ends . ?
I can foresee a repeat of the Cuba missile crisis scenario coming. Putin upping the anti by moving mobile tactical nuclear missile launchers into the annexed part of eastern Ukraine.
That's what I was getting at, a few brave men from the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
It's probably the only way.
Someone on the inside takes the hit "for the sake of mother Russia", the west paint it as somebody having gone rogue.
I don't reckon anything. Just trying to understand your perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Two years behind? The USA are eight years behind, would Ukraine have been invaded if ther3 had been more of a response to Russia going into Crimea in 2014?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Can't disagree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
A lot of yanks seems to be blaming Obama for allowing this whole thing to have started in 2014.
It's hard to know what goes on behind closed doors though.
Putin clearly wasn't happy with the Obama regime at that time, and isn't happy with Biden. When Trump was in power, they were butt buddies.
Was Trump bending over to appease Putin? If so, in what way exactly?
Does this all come down to Putin's unhappiness with NATO's expansion moreso than his own desire to put back together the USSR?
It seems Obama and Biden are clearly triggering him, whereas whatever Trump was preventing exactly, he was clearly much happier about.
Our Western media portray Putin as an isolated evil dictator, it's almost pantomime levels of stupidity, it's done just incase we, the proles become anti war and don't want to freeze to death this winter.
But where is the actual evidence that Putin is acting alone and not reflecting the general view and inclinations of Russians? Putin has a lot of support in Russia. This may cone as a surprise but Russia might not want wokeness, mass immigration and generic, nihilistic shopping malls everywhere, as seen in the American led West. Also, Putin’s replacement could be very gun ho...so becareful what you ask for...
The biden crime familly is implicated in the extortion of millions of dollars in Ukraine Biden threatening to with-hold money is on Camera for all to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/m...2020.09.23.pdf
add in the bio labs
add in the puppet goverment installed by Barry & Biden
Ukraine is a slush fund of dark money and corruption
#clotshot injury reports are being dripped daily
FBLie whistle blowers increasing in numbers
future proves past
NCSWIC
Mother Wefers and Deep Staters are desperate
the blowing up of NS2 was a desperate act
the world is being led into war to cover the crime
Trump was never supposed to win
Clinton was the choice to close it out and destroy the evidence
the NSA had it covered
Trump is still compromised, he knows the #clotshot is a bio-weapon but does not speak against it
Military is the only way
It had to be this way
I don't think that there will be a war but there will be a scare event
In other news
Strictly come dancing is back on the box to entertain the couch potato beer and fags fan club
Lardy still thinks there was Russian collusion
although in his defence there was, he was just looking at the wrong actors
Burnley will win 2-0
Have a nice day Clandestine :wave:
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I see that sensible debate about a serious subject has descended into farce due to the usual WUM/Armageddon cabal.
Weird thing for someone who joined in July 2022 to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clandestine
Quite Wales Bales ish actually
WalesBale was also Ronnie BirdQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I don't normally like long twitter threads, but I respect this guy and it's quite interesting (he is Russian and talking about Putins speech yesterday)
https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/...53684852150272
Jesus Christ :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Yep. Ronnie was in some sort of argument (obviously) and WB replied to it in full Ronnie character, then spent a few posts frantically pretending he was just taking the piss.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
And someone posted a record of the respective log-ins of both identities when they were both posting all day long. The two identities were never on at the same time but alternated many, many times during the course of the day concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
hahahahahahahahaha :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I fail to see the obsession with he was him before from posters who choose to use handles and not their names, I have mentioned previously i had a log in on this forum many years ago so long infact it was just a yahoo bulletin board back then and then it was the old board and so on. Aeneas Tinnboy Foreverblue OM was Balderdash and i once remember he liked playing the mouth organ NigelBlues matchday reports wales bales certainly isn't yours truly if it matters maybe he was Dai Hard? I knew Dai Hard. I spent a bit of time on Rivals but with work committments forum time became very limited.
Buckle up and
Plagiarised from my favourite investigative journalist.
All the ships are sailing in the same direction now...about to arrive at their common destination in the month of RED OCTOBER.
Durham revelations.
Trump Raid.
Seth Rich.
Ukraine biolabs/Nazis.
Nord Pipeline sabotage.
Maxwell's international sex trafficking ring.
Financial crisis.
Biden Crime Family investigation.
Iran Deal shenanigans.
Fentanyl drug smuggling.
Open border crisis.
9/11 revelations.
Massive election fraud being facilitated by foreign controlled Election Management Systems & Apps run by CCP agents.
Trump & his team doing even more openly public blatant endorsements of the Q community.
Buckle thyself up and gird thy loins in proper fashion. It's going to be biblical.
The Hunters Become The Hunted.