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Lost the plot
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Lost the plot
Job’s too big for him, as you said, lost the plot.
TBF…..he was out of his depth at Luton.
He has had his fair share of odd interviews. Didn’t he have one after we beat them once.
Why’s he lost the plot? Did I miss something? He said he’s compromised and he won’t in the future. The video title is also misleading he didn’t say that.
The problem with football these days , especially in the top divisions is the sense of entitlement the clubs and sometimes the fans have
Southampton are a yo yo club these days after many years in the old first division
A couple of wins and they shoot up
Another season the same side could be mid table
Or equally relegated
I am sure he's quite a good manager and he's right that Luton were hard working and very fast and direct under him
However he appears nervous and under pressure in the Southampton job and I can't see him lasting long
It’s everything most managers would want to say in that position but can’t.
His heads gone and it’s going to go one way or the other. History tells us when emotions come through it’s usually negative but may do him some good and give the whole squad a kick
Except he wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue
Agreed, don’t see what the fuss is about - good to hear a manager not using the usual platitudes. We, rightly, knock all of the “across the line”, “in the building”, “on the grass” bollox and then a manager who tries to be a bit different is ridiculed for “losing the plot”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
How has he lost the plot? I think that’s a brilliant interview and exactly how interviews should be. In day to day life, managers do not have to get up in front of the world and explain themselves when things haven’t gone well. It doesn’t happen outside of sport. Every football fan complains about boring managers and cliches. Then you get a brilliant and honest press conference like this and people accuse Nathan Jones of losing the plot. Bollox. Fans demand to know what’s going on and then don’t like hearing somebody battling and backing themselves. Good for Nathan Jones I say. I liked Steve Morison and had no issue with his so-called “abrasiveness”. Do not moan about cliches and dinosaurs set in their ways, and then complain about somebody giving their honest opinions. Nathan Jones has only risen considerably in my estimations after this.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
He came across as (the message boards favourite current phrase) “rattled” for me. Say all that behind closed doors if you need to say it.
It's Cardiff City's fault, sort of, indirectly.... Nathan jones was an apprentice from 90-92 at the club. He became good mates with Mattie Crocker (Llanedeyrn boy) who was there the same 2 years, and is now Dof at Southampton, who got the job at Southampton because Gavin Tait was head of academy when he went there (Tait was head of academy at city) So it's our fault and we're getting relegated again...... :hehe:
The exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue
I’m surprised that anybody bothered replying to this post by Grangetown Blue. It’s either a mistake, a poor wind up or sheer stupidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Yep , twitching , fiddling with his t shirt , fast talkingQuote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
He might always be like that but he was definitely on edge
Fair enough. I can rationalise how you or somebody else might think that. My take was that he’d lost the plot (the dressing room, the supporters, the leadership - call it what you like) I certainly wasn’t ridiculing him. In my experience you ask the questions about culture, expectations and accountability before you take the job… not a few weeks after you’ve taken it. We all make mistakes.. sounds to me like he thinks he’s made a few. Appreciate others may think differentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Looks like he's been found out from what I could seeQuote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
He was all over the place in that
It's clearly not his fault that football fans want success yesterday but he's come in as the saviour , results have been poor so he's getting stick
I don't think he's used to it or can deal with it
He wouldn't have been suited to CCFC
He comes across as a bit mad from that press conference though. Not in control.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
And not managerial in the slightest.
I’d worry for him and Southampton based on that. There is absolutely no way that Premier League players are going to buy into his approach if he comes access like that. I suspect that his days are already numbered.
And yet, ironically his attitude would probably be ideal for our players atm!
He seems to have a similar one after every defeat.
When we beat them there last year he was saying how he had changed for our style of play and how he wouldn't be doing that again, never again.
Likes the drama a bit Nathan.
And since then, Luton have beaten us three times out of three, twice with Nathan Jones in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
I don't think I'm going over the top when I say Jones did a phenomenally good job at Luton, but he's not proved he can transfer that ability to another club yet. I looked at the Southampton side under Hasenhüttl and thought they were the worst in this season's Premier League, so, with no eye catching signings last month, I'd say Jones will have done a great job if he keeps them up. There's been a few signs that he can improve the team, but a comprehensive defeat like Saturday's will have been a kick on the teeth for him - he wears his heart on his sleeve and I'd guess his reaction to the defeat wouldn't have come as a total surprise to anyone who has followed his managerial career closely.
Jones is going to get sacked today according to TalkSport. Well, they are “reviewing his position”
I kind of like it, but he's definitely on the edge, his Management style will work at Luton, but not with higher-profile and more talented players, saying trackback, run faster harder, and get stuck in won't work, he'll be gone before the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Bosch
As someone said above, it would have worked here, he would have been great for us.
Wouldn't be surprised, it's the wrong club he's out of hs depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
So….he’s “out of his his depth” at Southampton, but wasn’t at a club just 3 places below them in the football league ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Bosch
What are his best qualities? Tactical awareness, man management, player motivation? I’m suggesting he possesses none of these. *IMO
He's twitchy like BellamyQuote:
Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue
Looks like he can slowly build a club up bringing in workman-like cart horses and getting the best out of them, but can't manage pampered thoroughbred race horses, it probably takes a different style of management.Quote:
Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue
I know someone will say Southampton players are hardly race horses, but they are in comparison to a battling Luton, different players with different abilities and attitudes, the "it's my way of the highway" style doesn't work in the premiership the players just get you the sack.
Seems to me like those were the kind of comments that would have gone down well 20 years ago and would have been lauded by the press back then, but whether they are still the right kind of thing to say today in the era of 24/7 news and social media and trying to manage a squad of fragile egos who all think they are global superstars, I am not so sure.
You do wonder what on earth Southampton were expecting in a Premiership relegation battle with one of the weakest (the weakest?) squads in the division from a first time manager at that level who has had middling results at lower levels and flunked the one step up to a bigger club. If he was hired to build the squad back up from the Championship that might be one thing, but I generally have to agree he's looked totally out of his depth at this level for the most part.
Rumors of Corboran replacing Jesse Marsch at Leeds as well, the Prem has become a bit of a parody of itself with how often teams are replacing managers at the first sign of a wobble but I guess Tan can point to one thing he does at a Premiership level.
Jones took them from League Two to top of League One. He then kept them up after coming back, and took the side with the lowest budget in the league to the playoffs. They're now 4th with largely his side. If Jones was out of his depth there, I'd like to see your classification of a good manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue
My mate from the allotment was called up before the committee last Friday about the state of his area. They asked him to leave. He has lost the plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
He certainly over achieved at Luton, and a few eyebrows were raised when he went to Southampton. Unfortunately for him he’s been found wanting when it comes to managing millionaire footballers with massive egos….he’s not the first….and won’t be the last.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
So 10 games in now the norm it seems! Shame as he picked up a few cup results but couldn't transfer that to the league.
Southampton were going down anyway, most places had them as relegation contenders and for years and years they've been filtering with it. Seems selling off your best young talent does catch up with you.
They were spending money left right and centre on young unproven players from across Europe that's been an absolute disaster, i'm not sure anybody could have saved them.
When his appointment to the post was discussed on here, I commented that it was a strange one, especially when you consider the high profile managers they've had in recent times. And Southampton should be a plum job for managers/coaches much higher up the food chain than Nathan. No disrespect to the guy but I cannot see this ending well for him, excluding a decent compensation package of course.
His mate has got him in, i'm pretty sure of that, but can't back it up with any evidence (not that i would want to) The Director of football operations is very friendly with jones, they go way back. That's my thinking anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Maybe he can apply for the Southampton job to take the edge of the pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malckent
They’ve left The Dell.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
He's going to have to dig himself outQuote:
Originally Posted by Malckent
https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/topic/59...mbined-thread/
What a horrible bunch..
Let him go back to managing Londis level clubs. :facepalm:
They need a reality check
That’s nothing to what Chelsea fans are saying about Potter ! :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
It was an absolutely dreadful interview. Press conferences (rightly or wrongly) are not interviews or chats. And Jones looks to have completely forgotten their purpose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Bosch
As onerous as it must be to have to talk to the press so regularly, his job is to represent the club (his employer) and he does an absolutely awful job of that.
I feel sorry for him but it is terrible. All over the place. Inarticulate, provocative, defensive.
It is borderline painful to see journalists almost toying with people when they get to this stage.
I agree that's surely not a bloke in control and being rational ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
What's he doing pulling his top up over his chin ?
He's totally on edge and I would be surprised if that's what he was like when he got the job ?