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Artists and their concert playlists
I see that the subject of artists and their playlists has been highlighted due to Taylor Swift having such a huge back catalogue and a new album which is 'different' that choosing what she sings on her latest world tour has become a topic for discussion.
It addressed an issue that I've had for a few years, namely should I pay inflated prices for concert tickets when I actively disliked much of the artist's live set.
It started with Jools Holland. For many years, I enjoyed his show and his guest stars who included Dave Edmunds. It hit a low when another guest was Lulu!
I've shelled out £100 twice to see Joe Bonamassa - and thought his set was brilliant. But after watching his live shows on YouTube for the last few years, I've made a conscious decision that I won't pay £100 to watch him play his current concert selection.
Beth Hart is another who's song choice I question. She has a brilliant voice and is a charismatic stage presence. Her album output is very listenable, but when I saw her at St Davids Hall, I hated most of her material.
Is this a case of an artist progressing; but this fan being rooted in the past? How should old favourites be balanced with selections from a new album?
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My favourite albums are the early Roxy Music recordings with Eno. I haven't even listened to their AOR later albums. Absolutely no interest. I saw them a few times back in the day but I couldn't sit through Dance Away and Avalon so won't go see them again.
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I wouldn't pay £100 to see anyone!
Ridiculous prices these days.
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bobh
I wouldn't pay £100 to see anyone!
Ridiculous prices these days.
Neither would I. Most bands I see cost up to £30 max. I've got tickets for October's Swn festival which cost £80 odd for 2 1/2 days of music.
However, it's worth remembering that bands don't make very much money from streaming so touring is a bigger source of income than it used to be. Not that it applies to those acts mentioned.
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Most artists of any standing weaves the new with the old. Many people go to hear what they may consider to be the artist's old classics but creative artists want their new material to be heard too.
I went to Southampton and London two weeks ago to see Robin Trower (tickets being around £30) and he did just that. (I was fortunate in seeing 2 of his 4 UK gigs and before he had to call off his US tour due to ill-health.)
As for Jools Holland, I saw him and his band a few days earlier at Yate Football Club (a very humble venue numbers-wise) - and when Lulu toured with him several years ago and came on for a cameo role I thought she was terrific.
As for performances in enormous hangars such as the NEC, Wembley Stadium, the Millennium Stadium and anywhere else where you watch the video screens as the artists are so far away: I don't really consider them to be a kosher gig as I consider there to be such a disconnect.
As for Joe Bonamassa, who I have really come to like as a person (from afar, of course) but I thought his gig at Hammersmith many, many years ago lacked a bit of soul. His enthusiasm for guitar hardware and accoutrements is very infectious.
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bobh
I wouldn't pay £100 to see anyone!
Ridiculous prices these days.
Don't forget the legal theft of a 'booking' fee, on top of that ridiculous amount. Just another way to exploit music fans and rip them off. It's a pity sheeple pay this added 'theft tax' on top of a ticket. If people refused to pay it, then bands would have to look at other ways of selling tickets for a gig. I refuse to pay it. I'm lucky inasmuch as I saw all the bands I wanted to see between September '74 and 2005 without paying this stupid, dumb, laughable amount on top of an extortionate ticket price.
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Mr Soul '68
Don't forget the legal theft of a 'booking' fee, on top of that ridiculous amount. Just another way to exploit music fans and rip them off. It's a pity sheeple pay this added 'theft tax' on top of a ticket. If people refused to pay it, then bands would have to look at other ways of selling tickets for a gig. I refuse to pay it. I'm lucky inasmuch as I saw all the bands I wanted to see between September '74 and 2005 without paying this stupid, dumb, laughable amount on top of an extortionate ticket price.
Very often, the so-called additional (and compulsory) booking fee seems merely illusory. As I understand it, companies like Ticketmaster tend to control all ticketing for gigs they are involved in, set the prices and pay the venue a proportion of the sales concerned to the venue and/or artists (rather than the other way around). They seem to cream off the booking fee as an extra.
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off to see James tonight and for a bargain price of 50 quid or so bargain judging by prices in general for so called 'mainstream' acts these days
to help me get in the mood hoping for a similar set list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qSv86Jo7MI&t=4s
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I'm not sure it mattered too much when a concert performance was reasonably priced, you were just disappointed afterwards if your favourite stuff wasn't played.
As others have said, a pisser when you've paid the cost of a mini holiday and don't recognise the songs played (sometimes the voice too!)
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MOZZER2
off to see James tonight and for a bargain price of 50 quid or so bargain judging by prices in general for so called 'mainstream' acts these days
to help me get in the mood hoping for a similar set list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qSv86Jo7MI&t=4s
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Saw them a few years back and felt ripped off.
Not due to the songs played nor prices, it looked like someone else was singing as he'd no longer had the curly locks. He'd shaved his head! :yikes:
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Robin Friday's Ghost
My favourite albums are the early Roxy Music recordings with Eno. I haven't even listened to their AOR later albums. Absolutely no interest. I saw them a few times back in the day but I couldn't sit through Dance Away and Avalon so won't go see them again.
I saw Roxy Music at the Kensington Court Club in Newport (early 70's) just as Virginia Plain was becoming a hit. A very intimate venue, probably less than 200 crammed in, standing room only, I was barely two yards from Eno himself.
I also saw the Fripp-Eno concert at the Paladium in London in 1975, I think.
StT.
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Setlist.fm
You are welcome.
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Cyclops
....should I pay inflated prices for concert tickets....
No. Not ever. Simple as that.
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Mr Soul '68
Don't forget the legal theft of a 'booking' fee, on top of that ridiculous amount. Just another way to exploit music fans and rip them off. It's a pity sheeple pay this added 'theft tax' on top of a ticket. If people refused to pay it, then bands would have to look at other ways of selling tickets for a gig. I refuse to pay it. I'm lucky inasmuch as I saw all the bands I wanted to see between September '74 and 2005 without paying this stupid, dumb, laughable amount on top of an extortionate ticket price.
This was talked about on the Rest Is Entertainment podcast last week, specifically about Ticketmaster.
Ticketmaster has exclusive rights with some venues and actually owns other venues. So it's not a case of fans being sheeple, there's just no other choice for artists and bands to do something else. They cannot sell tickets some other way.
I think the US are looking into it as a monopoly, quite rightly. But don't point the finger at fans for this.
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They are meant to be top drawer on this tour. I'm seeing them in Manchester on Friday, come back and do a review.
This should have been in reply to Mozzer2s post, re James
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Watching bands tour a debut album is always good, as are established acts like the Cure who hardly wrote a dud song.
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[QUOTE=Taunton Blue Genie;5516904]I went to Southampton and London two weeks ago to see Robin Trower (tickets being around £30) and he did just that. (I was fortunate in seeing 2 of his 4 UK gigs and before he had to call off his US tour due to ill-health.)
There's a great YouTube video here of the complete show from Islington 28 May 2024 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybr0...annel=R.Poyart You are at 58.06 and 1.15.23
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Taunton Blue Genie
I went to Southampton and London two weeks ago to see Robin Trower (tickets being around £30) and he did just that. (I was fortunate in seeing 2 of his 4 UK gigs and before he had to call off his US tour due to ill-health.)
There's a great YouTube video here of the complete show from Islington 28 May 2024 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybr0...annel=R.Poyart You are at 58.06 and 1.15.23
He threw his plectrum adorned with the letters RT into the crowd at Southampton and it landed at my feet. What a pity that I can't play a note....
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Cyclops
He threw his plectrum adorned with the letters RT into the crowd at Southampton and it landed at my feet. What a pity that I can't play a note....
What was your first touch like?
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Cyclops
I see that the subject of artists and their playlists has been highlighted due to Taylor Swift having such a huge back catalogue and a new album which is 'different' that choosing what she sings on her latest world tour has become a topic for discussion.
It addressed an issue that I've had for a few years, namely should I pay inflated prices for concert tickets when I actively disliked much of the artist's live set.
It started with Jools Holland. For many years, I enjoyed his show and his guest stars who included Dave Edmunds. It hit a low when another guest was Lulu!
I've shelled out £100 twice to see Joe Bonamassa - and thought his set was brilliant. But after watching his live shows on YouTube for the last few years, I've made a conscious decision that I won't pay £100 to watch him play his current concert selection.
Beth Hart is another who's song choice I question. She has a brilliant voice and is a charismatic stage presence. Her album output is very listenable, but when I saw her at St Davids Hall, I hated most of her material.
Is this a case of an artist progressing; but this fan being rooted in the past? How should old favourites be balanced with selections from a new album?
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I think paying big wonga for a gig ......or a festival ....or any kind of event ..is a personal think but its definitely become a bit of a piss take
I am glad I have seen most of the bands that float my boat and I don't think I would break the bank or line someone's pocket to see a band these days
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Peajay
They are meant to be top drawer on this tour. I'm seeing them in Manchester on Friday, come back and do a review.
This should have been in reply to Mozzer2s post, re James
just got in nightmare getting home i believe Pink were in town too traffic congestion everywhere
James were on top form . Songs ranged from there new album to the classics from the 90's
saw them in the early 90's too when they churned out classic punchy tunes but tonight they were more polished in delivery
Support band Razor light were half decent too so a good night out you won't be disappointed
Tomorrow and getting away with it still lingering in my head
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Just so as we're clear here, this thread is not about the cost of concert tickets (which is another subject altogether) but about the artist's choice of songs in a gig playlist.
So, in the Robin Trower video mentioned earlier, he kicked off with a recent song, but included several of his crowd pleasers in his set. I'd have loved to have seen him at a venue like Islington and was pleasantly surprised to see that Walter Trout was also playing there. I saw him at the Tramshed - 'cos I can pay cheaper prices too, but see no need to brag about it! Incidentally, I see Geno Washington is at the Earl Haig in September. :sherlock:
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Cyclops
Just so as we're clear here, this thread is not about the cost of concert tickets (which is another subject altogether) but about the artist's choice of songs in a gig playlist.
So, in the Robin Trower video mentioned earlier, he kicked off with a recent song, but included several of his crowd pleasers in his set. I'd have loved to have seen him at a venue like Islington and was pleasantly surprised to see that Walter Trout was also playing there. I saw him at the Tramshed - 'cos I can pay cheaper prices too, but see no need to brag about it! Incidentally, I see Geno Washington is at the Earl Haig in September. :sherlock:
I've seen Walter Trout many times and I've got tickets to see him again in Frome in a few months time - and for just £30.50 plus booking fee. It's quite handy not being into only popular bands that cost a fortune to see.
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In reply to OP's question I think it's more of an issue for bigger artists with vast back catalogues, as inevitably peoples personal favourites are not going to make the cut. I saw Springsteen the other week and was having too much of a good time to realise he didn't play Glory Days, which is my personal favourite and arguably one of his biggest hits.
On Metallica's most recent tour, they seem to have addressed this by playing 2 nights in each venue with 2 different set lists.
Ive never seen Van Morrison but didn't he used to get shit for playing obscure set lists with none of his "hits"?
Re the ticket prices, it's well beyond time that regulatory action was taken against Live Nation (which owns Ticketmaster and half the venues). Their dynamic pricing model should be illegal and it's shocking that they've had such a free reign over what's a pretty lucrative industry for so long.
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Cyclops
! Incidentally, I see Geno Washington is at the Earl Haig in September. :sherlock:
I'll be there, as the Earl Haig is probably the only venue around Cardiff that doesn't charge a "theft" fee. Respect to the promoter Allan Jones (ex Amen Corner) who promotes bands at that venue.
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Steve the Tea
I saw Roxy Music at the Kensington Court Club in Newport (early 70's) just as Virginia Plain was becoming a hit. A very intimate venue, probably less than 200 crammed in, standing room only, I was barely two yards from Eno himself.
I also saw the Fripp-Eno concert at the Paladium in London in 1975, I think.
StT.
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I'd have loved to have been at that Newport gig. My first gig (of any kind) was the Stranded tour when I was 13. Eno had left by then of course. Not sure I'd have wanted to see the Fripp-Eno gig. No Pussyfooting was a bit too challenging for me. His first few solo albums were good though, before he went ambient.
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I think the reason Van Morrison played obscure set lists was to do with publishing rights and loyalties. I took my wife to see him in Cardiff, many years ago and he didn’t play Brown Eye Girl because he received little or no payment for it. I went to see Springsteen in Cardiff and there were some he didn’t play, which I was looking forward to but I don’t think he can ever keep everybody happy because of the amount of songs he can play. I still enjoyed it though and it’ll be interesting to see how different the set list will be,when I go to see him at Wembley.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
Neither would I. Most bands I see cost up to £30 max. I've got tickets for October's Swn festival which cost £80 odd for 2 1/2 days of music.
However, it's worth remembering that bands don't make very much money from streaming so touring is a bigger source of income than it used to be. Not that it applies to those acts mentioned.
My mate and I were chatting about Swn the other night (before the James gig) - it's good value but I beleive they keep the timings and venues tight for particular bands, so it's a gamble if there maybe only a couple of bands I want to see, for example English Teacher or Antony Szmierek.
To address the setlist topic in this thread, James have changed much of the setlist night-by-night - the newer stuff was a harder listen as I was there mainly for everything pre-2000! Buyer beware and all that!
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Taunton Blue Genie
I've seen Walter Trout many times and I've got tickets to see him again in Frome in a few months time - and for just £30.50 plus booking fee. It's quite handy not being into only popular bands that cost a fortune to see.
That sounds a bit fishy to me!
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SOXY BOY
I think the reason Van Morrison played obscure set lists was to do with publishing rights and loyalties. I took my wife to see him in Cardiff, many years ago and he didn’t play Brown Eye Girl because he received little or no payment for it. I went to see Springsteen in Cardiff and there were some he didn’t play, which I was looking forward to but I don’t think he can ever keep everybody happy because of the amount of songs he can play. I still enjoyed it though and it’ll be interesting to see how different the set list will be,when I go to see him at Wembley.
I've seen Van Morrison live on 6 occasions, on two of those he has played 'Brown Eyed Girl'. At Glastonbury festival back in '81 and the last time I caught him live, which was the Coal Exchange in 2006 (I think!). That night he did a 16 song set of 'Greatest Hits', including 'Brown Eyed Girl'
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I saw Van Morrison in the mid to late 90’s and he didn’t play it that night.
