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FT: CARDIFF CITY 0 - 1 STOKE CITY. Match thread
Saturday 12th April, ko 3:00pm
Match Officials:
Referee: MICHAEL SALISBURY
Assistants: Richard West and Derek Eaton
Fourth Official: Scott Tallis
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
Horvath
Doesn't matter
Not Goutas
Not Goutas
Doesn't matter
Robertson
Chambers
Davies
Robinson
Alves
Salech
2-1 City
Probably the one that will decide our fate, I do think we'll win but having read Stoke haven't won here in the league since 2007 or any of our last 10 fixtures against eachother that is very much a prediction from my heart, the brain says otherwise.
Robinson simply has to start, I can't believe people are overlooking him it makes no sense whatsoever, what other team in the bottom 3 wouldn't start their top scorer when available? Defensively Goutas needs to be nowhere near the squad and I'd personally prefer Bagan starting over Daland as well but he appears to have blown a bit cold recently, however it absolutely cannot be 5 at the back hopefully even Ronald McDonald will have learnt that from last night. I'll assume Fish and O'Dowda start, right back I can't say I really care I dont think it matters... we'll concede anyway they're all pretty shite at defending. Midfield Robertson should come back in.
We need the first goal, Stoke I imagine will settle for a point as it keeps us at arms length, if they go 1-0 up we know the rest.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
I'd have Tanner on the Left Wing, Alves right wing with instructions to get in behind and get crosses in for Salech, I'd also play Robinson alongside Salech instead of behind in a 4-4-2 running on to flick on's. Robinson has been totally ineffective in the 10 role.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
PontBlue
I'd have Tanner on the Left Wing, Alves right wing with instructions to get in behind and get crosses in for Salech, I'd also play Robinson alongside Salech instead of behind in a 4-4-2 running on to flick on's. Robinson has been totally ineffective in the 10 role.
I don't think that Tanner has regularly beaten any fullback comprehensively and repeatedly for a long time.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
PontBlue
I'd have Tanner on the Left Wing, Alves right wing with instructions to get in behind and get crosses in for Salech, I'd also play Robinson alongside Salech instead of behind in a 4-4-2 running on to flick on's. Robinson has been totally ineffective in the 10 role.
I'd have Ashford instead of Tanner. If it's not working out after 60 mins replace Ashford for Tanner or Davies. No playing down the middle, and as you say, attack via the wings. Also stick super sub Meite on for either Salech or Robinson the last 20 minutes.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
I don't think that Tanner has regularly beaten any fullback comprehensively and repeatedly for a long time.
That's not always the game nowadays, though. Plenty of sides play wide midfielders on the opposite side to their strong foot so they can cut inside and shoot for goal. Given Tanner's record, he's marginally better off doing that than crossing into a box with 1 City player in it.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
That's not always the game nowadays, though. Plenty of sides play wide midfielders on the opposite side to their strong foot so they can cut inside and shoot for goal. Given Tanner's record, he's marginally better off doing that than crossing into a box with 1 City player in it.
And a wide player doesn't have to beat their man, just create half a yard to whip the ball in. Although i don't rate Tanner at all.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
Shakin Stevens Hovarth in goal
RB chambers I’ve no idea why I’m playing Riza Roulette with defensive picks
CB not Goutas - Dalaand I guess
CB Fish though he strikes me as being as strong as jelly
LB ODowda though he was very poor Tuesday
Play a proper midfield!!
Mannsverk Turnbull Robertson
Stop giving up the midfield
CF Salech and play our top scorer Robinson off him ffs
Id still persevere with Ashford as well he has quick feet and works hard
Alves is better as an impact sub - he disappeared after his goal
Bring on Meite to try and grab an equaliser late on
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
I don't think for a minute we will win, despite our recent record v Stoke. Our record in these must win games is pretty lousy.
As far as team goes, Robinson and Robertson must start, even if it means Salach is benched. Think he needs a rest. Only other nailed on starters for me are Alves and ODowda. A number of other foward options for Riza to pull out of his hat.
My prediction
1-1
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Mr Soul '68
I'd have Ashford instead of Tanner. If it's not working out after 60 mins replace Ashford for Tanner or Davies. No playing down the middle, and as you say, attack via the wings. Also stick super sub Meite on for either Salech or Robinson the last 20 minutes.
Davies should start.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
PontBlue
I'd have Tanner on the Left Wing, Alves right wing with instructions to get in behind and get crosses in for Salech, I'd also play Robinson alongside Salech instead of behind in a 4-4-2 running on to flick on's. Robinson has been totally ineffective in the 10 role.
He's not a ten, that's why. He's a striker or a very, very attacking winger. Tanner should play on the right, as he can go both ways. If Tanner plays on the left, you nullify O'Dowda to an extent. I'd actually play Ashford and Alves, Ashford makes things happen and not a lot of our players do that. I guess I'd play Robertson and probably Chambers, the back 4 is a complete car crash but O'Dowda, Bagan, Ng and Rino would be my bet; as I have zero faith in Fish, Goutas or Daland.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
Who takes our penalties now? Got a feeling we will get a big one on Saturday. Bookmark this.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Father Dougal
Who takes our penalties now? Got a feeling we will get a big one on Saturday. Bookmark this.
Only side in the division with a zero conversion rate. Awarded 1, missed 1.
Stoke have scored 5 out of 6
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
binman
Shakin Stevens Hovarth in goal
RB chambers I’ve no idea why I’m playing Riza Roulette with defensive picks
CB not Goutas - Dalaand I guess
CB Fish though he strikes me as being as strong as jelly
LB ODowda though he was very poor Tuesday
Play a proper midfield!!
Mannsverk Turnbull Robertson
Stop giving up the midfield
CF Salech and play our top scorer Robinson off him ffs
Id still persevere with Ashford as well he has quick feet and works hard
Alves is better as an impact sub - he disappeared after his goal
Bring on Meite to try and grab an equaliser late on
I don't think Alves disappeared as much as identified as a threat and man-marked out of the game
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
Ref - Michael Salisbury
Reffed us twice so far this season
a 5 nil defeat at Burnley
a 7 nil defeat at Leeds
the omens not looking good !
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
Ref - Michael Salisbury
Reffed us twice so far this season
a 5 nil defeat at Burnley
a 7 nil defeat at Leeds
the omens not looking good !
No, he owes us 12 goals….im off to the bookies now
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
are we allowed to say this is a massive game yet?
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
are we allowed to say this is a massive game yet?
It's a Championship contest between two poor sides. Such games are always massive/huge/enormous/critical/vital (delete as applicable).
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
It's a Championship contest between two poor sides. Such games are always massive/huge/enormous/critical/vital (delete as applicable).
How many ‘pointer’ though:shrug:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
How many ‘pointer’ though:shrug:
At least eight.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
At least eight.
Apparently, it's been upgraded to 'Judgement Day' on Sky.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Apparently, it's been upgraded to 'Judgement Day' on Sky.
It is astonishingly important as City's next game is Sheffield Utd and we're not allowed to get any points against them. Only teams like QPR, Pompey, Hull and Oxford are allowed to do that.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Apparently, it's been upgraded to 'Judgement Day' on Sky.
Can I be excused jury service please? I away for a week from tomorrow.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
Ref - Michael Salisbury
Reffed us twice so far this season
a 5 nil defeat at Burnley
a 7 nil defeat at Leeds
the omens not looking good !
Weren’t the first 2 at Leeds debatable offsides ?
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Weren’t the first 2 at Leeds debatable offsides ?
No. Dan James made mincemeat out of our slow defence on both occasions. That's all. The first wasn't even close.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
No. Dan James made mincemeat out of our slow defence on both occasions. That's all. The first wasn't even close.
To be fair, we aren't the first team to struggle against Dan James on a good day
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
To be fair, we aren't the first team to struggle against Dan James on a good day
No, but we are the only team to be beaten 7-0 at Leeds since 1972.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
No, but we are the only team to be beaten 7-0 at Leeds since 1972.
And some reckon we've achieved nothing this season.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
No, but we are the only team to be beaten 7-0 at Leeds since 1972.
Reminds of when Warnock’s Leeds were beaten 7-3 at Elland Road by Forest.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
When Stoke appointed Robins I thought it would only work out if he was given a pot of money to get the players he needed.
It seems he preferred to stick with the existing squad and bring in two loans: Ali Al-Hamadi and Josh Wilson-Esbrand
Maybe he doesn’t have an immediate impact at clubs, but is someone with more of a longer-term plan.
Is his approach the right one for them given their relegation worries?
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Crisp White Lines
When Stoke appointed Robins I thought it would only work out if he was given a pot of money to get the players he needed.
It seems he preferred to stick with the existing squad and bring in two loans: Ali Al-Hamadi and Josh Wilson-Esbrand
Maybe he doesn’t have an immediate impact at clubs, but is someone with more of a longer-term plan.
Is his approach the right one for them given their relegation worries?
Impossible to tell with Stoke because, incredible though it may seem, their long term planning is even worse than ours.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Impossible to tell with Stoke because, incredible though it may seem, their long term planning is even worse than ours.
True.
Robins has gone on record saying he doesn’t like to hop from one job to another, but enters into each position with a view to it being a project for the long term.
Very unlike Stoke.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Crisp White Lines
When Stoke appointed Robins I thought it would only work out if he was given a pot of money to get the players he needed.
It seems he preferred to stick with the existing squad and bring in two loans: Ali Al-Hamadi and Josh Wilson-Esbrand
Maybe he doesn’t have an immediate impact at clubs, but is someone with more of a longer-term plan.
Is his approach the right one for them given their relegation worries?
Aren’t Stoke owned by the Coats family?
If so relegation won’t hurt them financially at all, maybe after chopping and changing, they have gone with someone who has an excellent track record, who has gone on to recruit and develop players for big money transfers.
It could be a case of holding the fort this season or at least attempting to, and then starting the whole process of clearing out the current squad and building for the future, who knows?
It might take a bit of time, but whatever they were doing previously hasn’t worked, so maybe there’s a change of plan from the top
Getting 3 points tomorrow is our priority , maybe someone in our boardroom will look at other club models when we get to the end of this season
I’m not holding my breath on that one
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
olderblue
Aren’t Stoke owned by the Coats family?
If so relegation won’t hurt them financially at all, maybe after chopping and changing, they have gone with someone who has an excellent track record, who has gone on to recruit and develop players for big money transfers.
It could be a case of holding the fort this season or at least attempting to, and then starting the whole process of clearing out the current squad and building for the future, who knows?
It might take a bit of time, but whatever they were doing previously hasn’t worked, so maybe there’s a change of plan from the top
Getting 3 points tomorrow is our priority , maybe someone in our boardroom will look at other club models when we get to the end of this season
I’m not holding my breath on that one
Interesting thoughts.
Having recently been in the third tier, and getting out of it, maybe they could be less fearful of getting stuck down there forever?
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
olderblue
Aren’t Stoke owned by the Coats family?
If so relegation won’t hurt them financially at all, maybe after chopping and changing, they have gone with someone who has an excellent track record, who has gone on to recruit and develop players for big money transfers.
It could be a case of holding the fort this season or at least attempting to, and then starting the whole process of clearing out the current squad and building for the future, who knows?
It might take a bit of time, but whatever they were doing previously hasn’t worked, so maybe there’s a change of plan from the top
Getting 3 points tomorrow is our priority , maybe someone in our boardroom will look at other club models when we get to the end of this season
I’m not holding my breath on that one
Relegation will hurt them financially the same as it would us.
Something like a £6-7million reduction in income per season.
Not ideal but nothing like the drop of losing premier league money.
Should be manageable through reducing the wage bill, maybe one or 2 player sales.
Interestingly if we were to sell out the ground every week in league one it might pretty much make up the difference in income
Clubs like Bolton and Wrexham through different means are able to raise similar revenues in league one as non parachute payment championship clubs
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Crisp White Lines
When Stoke appointed Robins I thought it would only work out if he was given a pot of money to get the players he needed.
It seems he preferred to stick with the existing squad and bring in two loans: Ali Al-Hamadi and Josh Wilson-Esbrand
Maybe he doesn’t have an immediate impact at clubs, but is someone with more of a longer-term plan.
Is his approach the right one for them given their relegation worries?
Coventry fans reckon his number two was very important, Adi Viveash left in July and he did struggle after that, and Coventry improved massively under Lampard. Stoke aren't great and this is a winnable game.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
olderblue
Aren’t Stoke owned by the Coats family?
If so relegation won’t hurt them financially at all, maybe after chopping and changing, they have gone with someone who has an excellent track record, who has gone on to recruit and develop players for big money transfers.
It could be a case of holding the fort this season or at least attempting to, and then starting the whole process of clearing out the current squad and building for the future, who knows?
It might take a bit of time, but whatever they were doing previously hasn’t worked, so maybe there’s a change of plan from the top
Getting 3 points tomorrow is our priority , maybe someone in our boardroom will look at other club models when we get to the end of this season
I’m not holding my breath on that one
Hopefully they'l be fetching their coats for a trip to League one in a few weeks!
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
Clouds gathering over the CCS tomorrow. Literally.
All week the forecast has been for warm sunshine on Saturday afternoon. Now it's light rain from 3pm onwards...
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v STOKE CITY. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Relegation will hurt them financially the same as it would us.
Something like a £6-7million reduction in income per season.
Not ideal but nothing like the drop of losing premier league money.
Should be manageable through reducing the wage bill, maybe one or 2 player sales.
Interestingly if we were to sell out the ground every week in league one it might pretty much make up the difference in income
Clubs like Bolton and Wrexham through different means are able to raise similar revenues in league one as non parachute payment championship clubs
I’m not sure if you’re in the top 20 rich list of the UK that it would really make a difference
Let’s put it this way, they won’t be wondering around the supermarket looking for yellow stickers any time soon