My Cardiff City legends eleven, but what constitutes a 'legend'?

I've posted my team already in another thread, but I thought I\d make a freash thread in this case as it may give more people the chance to see it and pull it to shreds!

Is Jason Perry a club legend?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I've posted my team already in another thread, but I thought I\d make a freash thread in this case as it may give more people the chance to see it and pull it to shreds!


Is Jason Perry a club legend?

https://mauveandyellowarmy.net

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Unless the term club legend can be re-defined as an average player playing in a below average team I don't see how Jason would qualify.

What about a world class eleven?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I've posted my team already in another thread, but I thought I\d make a freash thread in this case as it may give more people the chance to see it and pull it to shreds!

Is Jason Perry a club legend?

https://mauveandyellowarmy.net

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I think Perry is a legend. Played for us for 10 years, nearly 300 games, captain, one of our own, great rapport with the fans and was part of the Eddie Mays double winning side in 92/93. I think a lot of fans loved that side and the connection between players and fans was great in those days, “Psycho” especially.

As you say no-one is right or wrong, it’s personal preference but for me I don’t even think Craig Bellamy as a Cardiff Legend, I certainly wouldn’t have him in an all time Cardiff City Legends XI.

Personally, I can’t believe Andy Legg never even got a mention. Maybe your definition of a football legend is different to mine.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I think Perry is a legend. Played for us for 10 years, nearly 300 games, captain, one of our own, great rapport with the fans and was part of the Eddie Mays double winning side in 92/93. I think a lot of fans loved that side and the connection between players and fans was great in those days, “Psycho” especially.

As you say no-one is right or wrong, it’s personal preference but for me I don’t even think Craig Bellamy as a Cardiff Legend, I certainly wouldn’t have him in an all time Cardiff City Legends XI.

Personally, I can’t believe Andy Legg never even got a mention. Maybe your definition of a football legend is different to mine.

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Fair point about Leggy, I just didn’t think of him this morning - I think Alf Sherwood still gets in my team because he gave City fantastic service with much of it in the old First Division, but Leggy would be second choice.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Fair point about Leggy, I just didn’t think of him this morning - I think Alf Sherwood still gets in my team because he gave City fantastic service with much of it in the old First Division, but Leggy would be second choice.

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Paul, did you see that I mentioned Billy Hardy in the other thread. A shoe in for a legends XI, maybe our club’s biggest legend with his longevity and achievements from seeing us into the Football League to runners up in both FA Cup & League and FA Cup winner.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Paul, did you see that I mentioned Billy Hardy in the other thread. A shoe in for a legends XI, maybe our club’s biggest legend with his longevity and achievements from seeing us into the Football League to runners up in both FA Cup & League and FA Cup winner.

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I see you realised the error of your ways and replied on the other thread :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

Unless the term club legend can be re-defined as an average player playing in a below average team I don't see how Jason would qualify.

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I'm not entirely sure there is a definition of "club legend" but as loyalty, in my view, forms part of whether someone is assessed as being a legend or not I would not object if Richie Morgan was described as a legend.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

I'm not entirely sure there is a definition of "club legend" but as loyalty, in my view, forms part of whether someone is assessed as being a legend or not I would not object if Richie Morgan was described as a legend.

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For me the word that describes Jason Perry is 'stalwart'. Loyal, dependable, fighting for the cause etc but not a particularly talented footballer. I know they can't all be like Whitts, but JP wouldn't even get close to being in my legends team.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

I'm not entirely sure there is a definition of "club legend" but as loyalty, in my view, forms part of whether someone is assessed as being a legend or not I would not object if Richie Morgan was described as a legend.

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Agree about Richie Morgan, i picked Bellamy and Bamba predominantly for non football reasons.

For me, to qualify to be a legend I think you have to automatically think of the club when you think of the player. I'm not sure that's true of Bellamy

Doesn't John Charles count?

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Originally Posted by alan_corneli

Doesn't John Charles count?

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His two brothers Mel & Clive:hide: played more games for the City.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

His two brothers Mel & Clive:hide: played more games for the City.

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I didn’t consider John Charles because I based it on what the players did for City.

I think the first task is to identify the ‘legends’
by agreeing the criteria.
For me that is ‘making a significant contribution to CCFC. The bar should set high.
Robin Friday maybe remembered for some of the brilliant and absurd moments but to me is not a legend.
Some that are:
Peter King played for us for 13 years week in week out. Ernshaw, Chopra and Whitts all made a significant contribution as did Jason Fowler.
There are many others.
The only other consideration would be legends that have appeared for CCFC although not all would qualify for us a legend.
Ie John Charles would, Fowler wouldn’t.

Jack Evans has got to be in the mix, actually helped in the construction of Ninian Park, scored our first goal there. Our first player to be called up by Wales. I think he scored our first football league goal in 1920. Unfortunately missed the pelanty at St Andrews which cost us the league championship. Was with us for 16 years making over 350 appearances, a decent number considering the WW1 suspension of fixtures. From non league with us to 1st Division regular was some achievement.

I would certainly include John Toshack in my City Legends team but there is a caveat that applies to him, Craig Bellamy and John Charles in that they had higher profile careers at other clubs, same as Aaron Ramsey. But to be fair to Tosh he was here for 5 years before being sold to Liverpool, long enough to cement his place in the pantheon of City greats.

Alf Sherwood has always fascinated me, the first three years of his career were war years and would have probably bumped up his appearances even further, sub keeper for club and country, my father, who was from Penrhiwceiber used to wax lyrical about how tough he was, even after leaving the City he clocked up over 200 appearances for Newport and further Welsh caps and apparently a gentleman to top it off.

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Originally Posted by Boanagers

Alf Sherwood has always fascinated me, the first three years of his career were war years and would have probably bumped up his appearances even further, sub keeper for club and country, my father, who was from Penrhiwceiber used to wax lyrical about how tough he was, even after leaving the City he clocked up over 200 appearances for Newport and further Welsh caps and apparently a gentleman to top it off.

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Don’t know if it’s true or not, but my Dad used to tell me that Stanley Matthews would often cry off from Blackpool visits to Ninian Park because Sherwood always marked him out of the game.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

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I didn’t consider John Charles because I based it on what the players did for City.

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Same applies to Aaron Ramsey whose major achievement for Cardiff City is earning us a £4m or so transfer fee when we desperately needed it.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

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I didn’t consider John Charles because I based it on what the players did for City.

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He's a legend to me just for the free kick he scored from the centre circle, (in our half of the pitch) forgotten who against. He just strolled up from our penalty area, whacked it first time and stunned us all, especially their goalkeeper as the ball flew into the net. An exocet of a goal, before the exocet had even been thought of.
I was barely a teen and that, along with the Peter King stunner are my reasons for classing them as my legends, over!

Tony Villars will always be a legend to me, just for his goal against Palace!.

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Originally Posted by lincoln blue

He's a legend to me just for the free kick he scored from the centre circle, (in our half of the pitch) forgotten who against. He just strolled up from our penalty area, whacked it first time and stunned us all, especially their goalkeeper as the ball flew into the net. An exocet of a goal, before the exocet had even been thought of.
I was barely a teen and that, along with the Peter King stunner are my reasons for classing them as my legends, over!

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Originally Posted by lincoln blue

He's a legend to me just for the free kick he scored from the centre circle, (in our half of the pitch) forgotten who against. He just strolled up from our penalty area, whacked it first time and stunned us all, especially their goalkeeper as the ball flew into the net. An exocet of a goal, before the exocet had even been thought of.
I was barely a teen and that, along with the Peter King stunner are my reasons for classing them as my legends, over!

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You’re looking at this through those “rose tinted glasses, the ball actually bounced into the net, touching keeper Kevin Keelan on the way in.
If Keelan hadn’t had touched it, it would have been a goal kick

Still, your Exocet sounds better :hehe:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I've posted my team already in another thread, but I thought I\d make a freash thread in this case as it may give more people the chance to see it and pull it to shreds!

Is Jason Perry a club legend?

https://mauveandyellowarmy.net

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Peter Whittingham
Jason Perry
Peter King
Don Murray
John Charles
Earnshaw
Chopra
Bellamy
Sherwood
Brian Clark
Phil Dwyer
Fred Keenor
Ron Stitfall
Derek Tapscott

Near misses
Gunnarsson
Marshall
Hudson

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Don’t know if it’s true or not, but my Dad used to tell me that Stanley Matthews would often cry off from Blackpool visits to Ninian Park because Sherwood always marked him out of the game.

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Stanley Matthews used to hate playing against Sherwood — he just couldn’t cope with Sherwood’s fearless sliding tackles. Tom Finney was the same, though to be fair to Finney, at least he always turned up.

Another player who should never forget Sherwood is Billy Liddell of Liverpool.

Liverpool once faced Cardiff City at Anfield, needing a win to stay in the old First Division. During the match, City’s goalkeeper Ron Howells got injured — I believe he broke his thumb — and with no substitutes allowed back then, Sherwood had to go in goal.

Liverpool were awarded a penalty, and up stepped Liddell, a Liverpool hero. Sherwood saved the penalty. Liddell followed up — and Sherwood saved that as well!

City held on to win 1-0, and Liverpool were relegated to Division Two.

Sherwood was already a warrior on the pitch, but that moment alone — saving a penalty and the rebound at Anfield to send Liverpool down — surely made him a legend.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Norwich

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thx

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Stanley Matthews used to hate playing against Sherwood — he just couldn’t cope with Sherwood’s fearless sliding tackles. Tom Finney was the same, though to be fair to Finney, at least he always turned up.

Another player who should never forget Sherwood is Billy Liddell of Liverpool.

Liverpool once faced Cardiff City at Anfield, needing a win to stay in the old First Division. During the match, City’s goalkeeper Ron Howells got injured — I believe he broke his thumb — and with no substitutes allowed back then, Sherwood had to go in goal.

Liverpool were awarded a penalty, and up stepped Liddell, a Liverpool hero. Sherwood saved the penalty. Liddell followed up — and Sherwood saved that as well!

City held on to win 1-0, and Liverpool were relegated to Division Two.

Sherwood was already a warrior on the pitch, but that moment alone — saving a penalty and the rebound at Anfield to send Liverpool down — surely made him a legend.

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Thanks for that :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

You’re looking at this through those “rose tinted glasses, the ball actually bounced into the net, touching keeper Kevin Keelan on the way in.
If Keelan hadn’t had touched it, it would have been a goal kick

Still, your Exocet sounds better :hehe:

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Stop it, I was only a kid and I have my vision of the goal. You'll be telling me next that the Peter Kings goal was deflected off the centre half's todger!
I've also thought for over 50 years that we beat The Spurs double winning team, in that 1st ever Saturday night encounter, 4-2, then up pops TLG and shatters my childhood memories.
How dare you all correct my recollections.
Over and out!

Strange how only Keenor & Farquharson seem to have featured from our most successful period. There’s Jimmy Blair, Billy Hardy, Jack Evans, Len Davies & Jimmy Nelson from those times that are way ahead of some mentioned, these 5 racked up over 1500 appearances between them. They deserve to be top of the list in my opinion. OK, it was 100 years ago but Fred & Tom are from the same era and get included.

No room for Super Kev?