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  1. #4561

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I'm surprised this hasn't been metioned:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54371859

    although I don't know why it's in the politics section. The Abercynon test centre was the busiest in the UK and last week, (or late in the week before) carried uot 1065 test in 1 day, plus the tests its away teams did in other places.
    Now it has been restricted to 400 tests a day because apparently someone had dictated that they don't want people going into Rhondda Cynon Taf to take tests because it is in partial lockdown.
    This is insane, you can go in to work or to take your children to school but they are seeking to prevent people going to check if they have a life threatening disease.
    Some of these test centres are run by NHS UK and some by NHS Wales and I am not trying to make any political point here. But whoever made this decree is clearly stark raving bonkers.
    I was talking to someone this evening on zoom who works in a care home in RCT. Apparently all of their staff have weekly tests through Serco. Some staff members have been waiting over 2 weeks for results; they've had 2 lots of tests since their last results. Some of the NHS Wales run sites have had results back within the same day. The inconsistency alone is hardly great.

  2. #4562

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    I agree this time, let’s try and nip it in the bud. Maybe we should have a two week circuit breaker where no one is even allowed to move, no shopping, Two weeks off school, really tough. Virus can’t exist if no one moves it.....
    Except you can't shut absolutely everything down, so the virus will still be circulating, although at a much lower rate.

    What will we do after the "circuit breaker" lockdown when infections start rising? Do it all over again? And again after that?

  3. #4563

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Except you can't shut absolutely everything down, so the virus will still be circulating, although at a much lower rate.

    What will we do after the "circuit breaker" lockdown when infections start rising? Do it all over again? And again after that?
    Yes you can shut down absolutely everything and to be honest we might not have any other realistic option

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I was talking to someone this evening on zoom who works in a care home in RCT. Apparently all of their staff have weekly tests through Serco. Some staff members have been waiting over 2 weeks for results; they've had 2 lots of tests since their last results. Some of the NHS Wales run sites have had results back within the same day. The inconsistency alone is hardly great.
    The test laboratory in Newport is due to open on 12 October (Finally) and then all the tests from south and west Wales will go directly there so hopefully there will be faster results.
    (That is tests from Ebbw Vale, Abercynon, Cardiff, Pontypridd walk in centre, Newport, Camarthen and Swansea, plus all the way teams that sit in those places and go out to other towns and villages to test.)
    (As a matter of interest the away team that is based in Cardiff City Stadium has not been tasked to go anywhere, ever. Why not? You'd think it might be useful in Caerphilly or somewhere. )

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  6. #4566

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    I mentioned these the other day, game changers. Don’t worry, bo bo says we are producing our own. Expect them to be rolled out in about a year.....

  7. #4567

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy View Post
    Except you can't shut absolutely everything down, so the virus will still be circulating, although at a much lower rate.

    What will we do after the "circuit breaker" lockdown when infections start rising? Do it all over again? And again after that?
    You can shut everything, it just doesn’t feel right but it can happen. People will have to adjust, it’s only for 14 days ffs

  8. #4568

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    You can shut everything, it just doesn’t feel right but it can happen. People will have to adjust, it’s only for 14 days ffs
    How about power stations? Police? Fire stations? Hospitals?

  9. #4569

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    How about power stations? Police? Fire stations? Hospitals?
    Common sense comes into the equation.

  10. #4570

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    almost 13,000 cases recorded today and not a word on the main stream news or am i missing it

  11. #4571

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    almost 13,000 cases recorded today and not a word on the main stream news or am i missing it
    You’re missing it.

  12. #4572

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Common sense comes into the equation.
    Yeah, so that's what Leningrad is saying. You can't shut absolutely everything down.

  13. #4573

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    almost 13,000 cases recorded today and not a word on the main stream news or am i missing it
    There was an explanatory note saying that a "technical issue" meant that positive cases from earlier in the week were not recorded at the time, so they were included in Saturday's figure. It was also said that figures for the next few days will also include some cases from earlier in the week.

    However, while this may go some way towards explaining any big surge in cases that began yesterday, it seems to me that this means that claims from a couple of days ago that things were levelling off were premature - the rise in infections may not be matching the doomsday scenario outlined by the two scientists in that press briefing nearly a fortnight ago, but new cases are still clearly rising at a high rate.

    I'd not been checking the number of cases in Wales every day until recently, so cannot say how yesterday's figure compares with what we were seeing in March and April, but 576 is the highest I've seen by some distance - RCT figures were, as usual the highest, but they've remained fairly steady in the past week while those in other areas have been getting closer to them.

  14. #4574

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    There was an explanatory note saying that a "technical issue" meant that positive cases from earlier in the week were not recorded at the time, so they were included in Saturday's figure. It was also said that figures for the next few days will also include some cases from earlier in the week.

    However, while this may go some way towards explaining any big surge in cases that began yesterday, it seems to me that this means that claims from a couple of days ago that things were levelling off were premature - the rise in infections may not be matching the doomsday scenario outlined by the two scientists in that press briefing nearly a fortnight ago, but new cases are still clearly rising at a high rate.

    I'd not been checking the number of cases in Wales every day until recently, so cannot say how yesterday's figure compares with what we were seeing in March and April, but 576 is the highest I've seen by some distance - RCT figures were, as usual the highest, but they've remained fairly steady in the past week while those in other areas have been getting closer to them.
    Worldometer states that of the 12,871 cases reported on Saturday, 7070 were actual and the rest a backlog which they redistributed on their graphs. This now shows the worst day as 29 Spt with 7700 cases. Their graphs also indicate a levelling off but with very high numbers.

    The data for Wales is high and includes 132 cases listed as non resident. The weekly total includes 279 in this category. Considering that the sum total since the data collection started is 511, I assume that these are university students from other parts of UK

  15. #4575

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Worldometer states that of the 12,871 cases reported on Saturday, 7070 were actual and the rest a backlog which they redistributed on their graphs. This now shows the worst day as 29 Spt with 7700 cases. Their graphs also indicate a levelling off but with very high numbers.

    The data for Wales is high and includes 132 cases listed as non resident. The weekly total includes 279 in this category. Considering that the sum total since the data collection started is 511, I assume that these are university students from other parts of UK
    Thanks for that explanation, given we're talking about 5,000 extra cases yesterday, it may be best to assume that there were a thousand more per day from Monday until Friday, so cases have been plateauing but at a rate that is above the previous record for most cases.

    Your assumption regarding those 511 cases in the Welsh figures sounds correct to me.

  16. #4576

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    This morning when the country is calling for leadership Boris Johnson comes out with more confused gibberish "We want people to behave fearlessly but with common sense". Presumably the same fearlessness and common sense the UK Government showed in leading the nation to among the worst health outcomes and worst economic decline in the world.

    Go to work don’t go to work go to work.

  17. #4577

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    They’ve got to sort the pubs closing at 10 out, it’s like the old days when everything just shut at 11. The young are just grouping up and going off to house parties which is surely worse. Keep it staggered like it was, thinning out the time people all leave and go home. Will they back track? Will they......

  18. #4578

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    Grim

    Covid: Undetected breast cancer warning for thousands of women https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54390218

  19. #4579

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    Quote Originally Posted by goats View Post
    Grim

    Covid: Undetected breast cancer warning for thousands of women https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54390218
    The same could be said for any screening, scans or checks and not just for cancer.
    Anybody having treatment or due to have treatment will suffer.

    Grim indeed.

  20. #4580

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisvaneblue View Post
    Worldometer states that of the 12,871 cases reported on Saturday, 7070 were actual and the rest a backlog which they redistributed on their graphs. This now shows the worst day as 29 Spt with 7700 cases. Their graphs also indicate a levelling off but with very high numbers.

    The data for Wales is high and includes 132 cases listed as non resident. The weekly total includes 279 in this category. Considering that the sum total since the data collection started is 511, I assume that these are university students from other parts of UK
    Turns out that there were 16,000 cases that were missed due to an "IT error";-

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54412581

    Hence the figure for yesterday was 22,000, but, even allowing for all of the extra cases, the day on day figure is now in the region of 11 to 12 thousand and the fairly encouraging figures from the back end of last week look like they were based on false information.

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  22. #4582

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

    She's closing the boozers and restaurants north of the border now. We had 750 odd cases in Wales today so no doubt we won't be far behind.

  23. #4583

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

    She's closing the boozers and restaurants north of the border now. We had 750 odd cases in Wales today so no doubt we won't be far behind.
    That should see them all never open again.....ridiculous situation.

  24. #4584

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    Every pub or restaurant i've been in over the summer and up to recently they've all been on top, adhering to the rules, ordered everything on a phone app and i've actually enjoyed it more. Very relaxed having table service and minimal contact with other patrons unless people in my group, family (and nowadays just me and the mrs). The staff have all been excellent and organised and abided by the social distancing rules, less tables and more room. I just don't understand the fascination to blame and hammer the pub/restaurant industry all the time.

  25. #4585

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbert View Post
    This morning when the country is calling for leadership Boris Johnson comes out with more confused gibberish "We want people to behave fearlessly but with common sense". Presumably the same fearlessness and common sense the UK Government showed in leading the nation to among the worst health outcomes and worst economic decline in the world.

    Go to work don’t go to work go to work.
    Sounds a bit like Starmer supporting the government and then abstaining from last night's vote on the rule of 6. The Labour Party spokeman on TV had a good go at trying to justify Labour's stance but it was clear he was waffling to use up air time. In the past Wales has been held up as a good example of good practice by Welsh MPs and by some on here yet 50% of the country is in semi lockdown and the same goes for Scotland whose measures are even more severe. Let's face it all politicians of all Parties are struggling at the moment.

  26. #4586

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    Every pub or restaurant i've been in over the summer and up to recently they've all been on top, adhering to the rules, ordered everything on a phone app and i've actually enjoyed it more. Very relaxed having table service and minimal contact with other patrons unless people in my group, family (and nowadays just me and the mrs). The staff have all been excellent and organised and abided by the social distancing rules, less tables and more room. I just don't understand the fascination to blame and hammer the pub/restaurant industry all the time.
    I agree....think they are just trying to stop students spreading it. An impossible task as they reckon as many as 80% are asymptomatic so wont even consider a test as wont have any symptoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Sounds a bit like Starmer supporting the government and then abstaining from last night's vote on the rule of 6. The Labour Party spokeman on TV had a good go at trying to justify Labour's stance but it was clear he was waffling to use up air time. In the past Wales has been held up as a good example of good practice by Welsh MPs and by some on here yet 50% of the country is in semi lockdown and the same goes for Scotland whose measures are even more severe. Let's face it all politicians of all Parties are struggling at the moment.
    What I don'tunderstand is that as the incidence of infection is apparently going up the number of tests is being limited. 2 weeks or so ago Abercynon were doing up to 1000 tests a day and now they have been told by the Government that they can only do 3-400. similarly Ebbw Vale and Cardiff Stadium centres have been limited.
    It doesn't make any sense at all.

  28. #4588

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

    She's closing the boozers and restaurants north of the border now. We had 750 odd cases in Wales today so no doubt we won't be far behind.
    It makes no sense. Only 5% of coronavirus cases have been linked to the hospitality sector since July.

  29. #4589

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

    She's closing the boozers and restaurants north of the border now. We had 750 odd cases in Wales today so no doubt we won't be far behind.
    Not going to pretend I know if it's true but internet tells me, Section 12 of the 1872 Licensing Act stipulates that ‘every person found drunk… on any licensed premises shall be liable to a penalty’, which currently stands at £200.

    If the problem is that those drinking too much are i) less likely to social distance and less likely to engage in proper standards of hygiene and ii) less likely to know who they came into close contact with so unable to help contact-tracers assess and act on virus spreading, wouldn't it be more appropriate to push pubs and restaurants to help enforce laws that existed before this year?

  30. #4590

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster munch View Post
    Every pub or restaurant i've been in over the summer and up to recently they've all been on top, adhering to the rules, ordered everything on a phone app and i've actually enjoyed it more. Very relaxed having table service and minimal contact with other patrons unless people in my group, family (and nowadays just me and the mrs). The staff have all been excellent and organised and abided by the social distancing rules, less tables and more room. I just don't understand the fascination to blame and hammer the pub/restaurant industry all the time.
    I've been out twice. Two different pubs in two different areas.

    The first a city centre pub and it was how you described it. Well organised, people respectfully maintaining social distancing, staff ensuring everyone complied, it felt a safe environment.

    The second pub closer to my home, **** me. I didnt stay too long due to the amount of stupid ****ers dribbling over everyone.

    Instead of hammering all the pubs, hammer the stupid fuucktards who think its clever to spread a virus.

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