The so called lives v money debate at the heart of the issue of how to tackle the virus was never that for significant portions of the membership of the Governing party in the UK - disgraceful.Originally Posted by Rjk
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The so called lives v money debate at the heart of the issue of how to tackle the virus was never that for significant portions of the membership of the Governing party in the UK - disgraceful.
It should be but along with other dubious contracts awarded for testing, appointments made to people with little expertise and piss poor achievement and management qualities I think most people are just blasé about incidents like this and sort of expect it from this current government.
It’s the most corrupt UK government in my lifetime and I’ll go as far to say as ever.
Covid19 is turning into a decent money spinner for Boris, Cummings and Gove’s butties. All paid for by us.
[QUOTE=Jordi Culé;5124604]It should be but along with other dubious contracts awarded for testing, appointments made to people with little expertise and piss poor achievement and management qualities I think most people are just blasé about incidents like this and sort of expect it from this current government.
It’s the most corrupt UK government in my lifetime and I’ll go as far to say as ever.
I think this is false news. I used to manage a lot of contracts in the good old days when I had to work for a living, so I looked up tenders on OJEC, the official journal, that lists pending tenders. I didn't search specifically for the Knowsley contract but there were over 500 UK tenders for clothing and PPE listed. So I believe the process of procurement is being done openly and on official EU lines
One of the replies to the tweet with the article said that Scotland has gone with stricter, quicker measures and has better track-and-trace yet still worse outcomes both economic and in deaths than Sweden. Another replied that Sweden's economy hasn't been saved, had shrank more drastically than its neighbours in the second quarter, while deaths are ten times higher than some neighbouring countries.https://www.ft.com/content/0143a8b8-...4-f152bb9df2d7
Lockdown sceptics v zero-Covid: who’s got it right?
Unsurprisingly, neither side has all the answers. For those, we should look to Germany
The best thing to have done would be not to cut services to the bone with several years of austerity, not get so distracted by brexit, extend transition period due to significantly difficult circumstances, make more the of time bought with lockdown earlier in the year to prepare for schools re-opening/colder months which we knew would put services under greater levels of stress and public would be fatigued...
Not sure what the best move is now. Vaccine is likely to be available before UK is ready to act like Germany.
[QUOTE=lisvaneblue;5124607]The key thing in your search is at what stage the details of the "tender" were published in the OJEU. In the case of the Ł122m contract awarded to PPP Medpro the first OJEU notification was after the contract was awarded.
It would appear that this was a direct award (ie no competitive tender) under negotiated procedure.
4) The Department for Health and Social Care (‘DHSC’) is satisfied the tests permitting use of the negotiated procedure without prior publication (Regulation 32(2)(c)) were met:
http://bidstats.uk/tenders/2020/W37/734724148
As you say there were hundreds of tenders for PPP in the OJEU from March. Many, from local councils and organisations such as the Scottish Government went through notification and tender procedures. This does not seem to be the case for the English Government Departments which were contracting first and putting notices of who they awarded it to in the OJEU later. Presumably to give some degree of cover in the event of legal challenge for their actions.
http://bidstats.uk/tenders/?q=ppe&ca...5-734724148-45
If you could point out the false news bits in the PPP Medpro story that would be really interesting.
[QUOTE=lisvaneblue;5124607]Hmmm...
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rency-pandemic
It seems getting rid of wasteful Civil Service bureaucracy means speeding up giving public monies away to their mates.
I'm obviously a layman in regards to procurement.
Let's hope that's a positive , perhaps we are seeing herd immunity evolving ,could a virus mutate slower of weaken , thankfully we are treating it a lot better , we do need some hope.
I see a report from Oxford University Centre for Evidence Based Medicine states :
The average age of Covid Death is 82.4 .
The Average age of non Covid death 81.5
[QUOTE=Rjk;5124641](Cough Cough) Ayanda Capital.
https://www.scotsman.com/health/ayan...-mills-2935155
Nothing to see here.
Please forgive my ignorance as I can clearly see that this is something you're very knowledgeable about and I can only go off what is in the news...
But... Haven't there already been reports of millions (billions?) of pounds wasted on contracts given out by the Govt. during the pandemic for services/items that haven't been delivered?
You are right, there are a few I know about. One was a big contract for face masks and a very large number of them were not fit for use.....the masks were OK but the ear fastenings were not of a suitable standard for the NHS!!
Another contract for 'coveralls' has only been partly filled. The press claim this is a waste of tax payer money, but commercially I think the supplier would only get paid for the quantity supplied.
And....it could be that this new contract will go pair shaped, who knows? Trouble is in UK we don't have the manufacturing base to supply much of this stuff in the vast quantities needed. I hope we learn lessons and reduce our reliance on Chinese manufacture.
Riddle me this.
Rhondda Cynon Taff is reported as having an infection raite of 177/100,000.
Abercynon test centre was doing about 1000 tests a day 2 weeks oe so ago, now they are doing 300. That is the limit put on them by the government.
Other test centres like Ebbw Vale have similar restrictions imposed.
The mobile Unit attached to Cardiff Test Centre has been paid for 8 weeks and has never left its base to carry out 1 single test. There are far fewer test being carried out now that 2 weeks ago. A new test centre set up in Pontypridd is hardly used and they are now setting one up in Museum Place in Cardiff on Wednesday.
So where is the government getting the figures that inform their statements? And where are all these positive tests being done?
Is it because there are so many positive tests being done in Hospitals and Care Homes? Wouldn't have thought so myself.
Changing topic somewhat, this is an interesting development;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...pandemic-risks
I get what you mean, but they still have to be counted in the test total, and if all the new cases were in care homes and hospitals shirley they wouldn't be locking down whole towns and cities? It makes no sense.
There are tow trains of thought amongst those involved, one is there is a lack of test kits, but if that were the case it would be in all the newspapers and the Westminster Government would be getting blamed (I have no idea if Wales NHS is responsible for sourcing its own kits)
-and the other is that they are preventing the test centres from testing people from outside their own area because they don't want people crossing into an area in partial lockdown. It is a fact that they are no longer getting people coming for test from Gloucestershire and Somerset, or anywhere else except locally.
Perhaps the Welsh government is acting to stop English people coming into wales in any way it can because The UK government won't make the order. But even that doesn't make sense because if there is a spike in places like Merthyr and RCT then there should be a surge in people wanting tests but it ain't happening.
This means you can cross a boundary to go to school but not to find out if you have a potentially fatal illness.
There are also new test centres in Aberdare and Treorchy. I know loads of people diagnosed recently. My wifes in isolation for an outbreak at her work. Number of cases in the CH her mothers in as well.
Its a nightmare at the moment and Spring is a long way off.
The centres you mention are mobile units from Abercynon, but the 1000/day I quoted was at the actual centre and did not include those mobile units. They also send one to Builth Wells. On saturday it was there all day and did a total of 7 tests. It's madness.
Just a quick update from me. First symptoms on Sept 16th, minor sore throat. 9 people caught Covid in the same meeting despite us using all of the benchmark measures. At no point have I had an elevated temperature, cough or loss of taste. For a week of so I had muscle fatigue, chronic gastric issues, diarrhea, ate nothing and drank gallons of water. That was followed by a week or so struggling to breath, dizziness & loss of co-ordination. Slowly over the last week things have got back to normal but with the occasional day where the breathing issues return. it's now just shy of 4 weeks and nearly sorted. One major continued showstopper is smoke, perfume or deodorant, which flattens me immediately! I've also lost nearly 2 stone in the last month.
I think I've got away relatively lightly. Be warned about the "symptoms", as in my case, I had "none" of the tell tale symptoms.
That sounds like no fun at all, glad you're on the mend
Good to read Des although that sounds like you didn't "get away relatively lightly".
Update: now 45 days on from the C day. Of the 12 people in the (large) room, all wearing masks, socially distanced & disinfected, 9 people plus their families caught the virus.
My continued lasting effects are hyper-sensitivity to smoke, deodorant & perfume. Deodorant in particular instantly removes all of my breath, can be very scary. I also cannot drink any citrus juices or iced drinks as they start coughing fits.
Other than that, it seems to have gone!
This virus is so infectious as you have found out. Then you see those idiots dancing around in the street in Nottingham last night prior to entering tire 3 status. And today we had University students in Manchester saying they didn't know what Tier 3 is and it was difficult to find out. These were those who spend their lives on their phones and computers and it was difficult to find out FFS. With idiots like that there is no hope.
Anyway I'm glad you have got away with the virus relatively lightly. I have a son working on the front line who tells me those in the advance stages of the virus are very ill where deaths are escalating exponentially.
Remarkable, looks like a superspreader event where 1 person has infected many others within a confined space who have then gone on to infect others in their homes.
I know you caught it at work but evidence like this reminds me why I think opening indoor spaces where people sit together for social/recreational purposes for long periods of time like pubs, restaurants, cafes, cinemas, clubs etc would be a bad idea post-firebreak.
Get well soon!
They are talking of re-opening pubs on November 11 in Wales. I expect my parents still won't be allowed to see their grandkids on the same day.
Good to see that you are doing better. Hope you make a full recovery
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