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    Cummings , Johnson , Hancock , Patel , Gove

    Feck em all , tory vermin

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    The lady has written what I thought .

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    To think that everything Cummings said was the truth is daft as is arguing that Johnson/Hancock are wrong in all they say - such black and white perspectives are why this country is more divided than I can ever remember it being. In saying that, although Cummings was unconvincing for me at times, much of what he said seemed plausible and was just a rehash of things that were in the public domain already.

    By the same token, Hancock seemed wholly unconvincing to me when he spoke about what was happening in care homes last spring and the link I posted yesterday showed that he was, being charitable, mistaken in his claim that tens of thousands of people were being vaccinated in Bolton every day.

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    Hancock asked specifically whether he gave the assurance to Cummings and others that patients would be tested before discharge to social care

    Hancock glosses over saying “so many” of the allegations were unsubstantiated but doesn’t specifically refute it

    He then goes off on a tangent about how the Scottish government made the same mistake about discharge.

    Indeed they did. Difference is the Scottish government is not maintaining they put a protective ring in place as they did so.

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...59475231498242
    It is being incorrectly reported this morning that this new PHE report shows just 1.6% of care home outbreaks were seeded from hospital discharges.

    It says 1.6% were seeded from *confirmed* Covid-positive patients. Most were *not being tested*!

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/sta...84022472335362
    I'd rather go for a drink with Hancock than Cummings but can find it believable that Hancock was (and is) being kept in a job so could be sacked at the right time.

    Probably should add that reports suggest Hancock has long backed vaccines to get us out of this mess while others opposed lockdown including, if media reports accurate, Sunak in the autumn/winter.

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    I sort of begrudgingly admire the Tory boys loyalty to this shambolic government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    I'd rather go for a drink with Hancock than Cummings but can find it believable that Hancock was (and is) being kept in a job so could be sacked at the right time.

    Probably should add that reports suggest Hancock has long backed vaccines to get us out of this mess while others opposed lockdown including, if media reports accurate, Sunak in the autumn/winter.
    Really? Cummings has always struck me as a complete oddball. Hancock is just a wannabe bullingdon boy trying to fit in, spit 3ft in the city of London and it will land on 15 guys just like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    I struggle to believe factually anything he says, as everybody did when he went to Durham. I read an article today written by someone woo has worked with him who says he has enormous difficulty in actually admitting he is in any way responsible for when something goes wrong even when he is part of the team, and he pointed out that he did exactly the same in the committee, he apologised initially and from then on blamed everyone but himself.
    There is almost certainly kernels of truth in what he says but finding them when you take away the bile lack of any admission of real fault and the revenge and you'd be hard pushed to find them.
    In a few months he will be forgotten. And if he keeps coming back with more 'Revelations' he will become less and less plausible.
    If he felt so strongly about everything why didn't he resign and go to the press at the time? That alone questions his motives if not his veracity.
    there may be proof out there, but this modern information world being what it is for every piece of information that says A there will be another that say B.
    I wouldn't like to be the person with the job of unravelling it all and coming up with the real answers at the end of it all.

    And now I'm going to the pub - - because I can But God knows for how long!
    The difference with his complete nonsense about Barnard castle is that a lot of what he says fits incredibly neatly with what we already know:

    Doris being an initial covid denier (he pretty clearly was, it's on video)
    The mass shifting of old people into care homes being a complete shambles (I can't believe the whole cabinet went along with this knowing the lack of testing)
    The ridiculous situation around the 100k test target (tests went up to 100k and down within days it was obviously bullshit)

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    The decades of failure that led to Wales' catastrophic Covid-19 death toll
    The underlying factors that made the coronavirus pandemic so much worse than it might have been

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ophic-20679608
    I'm sure there will be similar story in the Guardian but will be interesting to see if papers with more readers do a similar piece for England and Scotland - though the latter has managed much lower peaks really up until this latest period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    The difference with his complete nonsense about Barnard castle is that a lot of what he says fits incredibly neatly with what we already know:

    Doris being an initial covid denier (he pretty clearly was, it's on video)
    The mass shifting of old people into care homes being a complete shambles (I can't believe the whole cabinet went along with this knowing the lack of testing)
    The ridiculous situation around the 100k test target (tests went up to 100k and down within days it was obviously bullshit)
    I know all these things but I fail to see why you feel the need to point them out to me. I have stated my opinion of his trustworthiness his veracity and his goals. It is what it is. Do you think you will change it?

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    Throughout the last fifteen months, I’ve been convinced that I’ve been living in one of the areas with the most potential to become one of the worst Covid hotspots in the UK - the same applies to Merthyr a few miles away. Around this time last year, RCT was the worst affected area in the country for a few weeks and Merthyr has had its time at the “top of the league” in the linked table.

    Of course, there could be a time when we’re top again, but for weeks now, us and Merthyr have been a lot closer to the bottom of the table than the top. That said, I’ve not seen a week like this one where, out of the near four hundred areas involved, there are only eight with lower rates than RCT and Merthyr.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...inations-today

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    FAO people in #Cardiff and the Vale:

    @CV_UHB
    are asking people who haven't had an invite for a second vaccine 11 weeks after the first to call their phone line on 02921 841234.

    https://twitter.com/GillibrandPeter/...18698090553348
    Just in case anyone falls into that bracket.

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    Latest figures show Wales has first dosed 85.3% of people above age of 18 and second dosed 45.1%.

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

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    looks like Portugal is coming off the green list on the day over half the adult population has had the 2 doses in England

    another blow for the travel industry

    With so many fully vaccinated now thought it would open up more destinations not decrease ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    looks like Portugal is coming off the green list on the day over half the adult population has had the 2 doses in England

    another blow for the travel industry

    With so many fully vaccinated now thought it would open up more destinations not decrease ?
    "The Government put Portugal on the green list only 2.5 weeks ago..."

    Yvette Cooper today. What exactly has changed in 2.5 weeks apart from people booking holidays in Portugal and now either having to cancel without easy access to compensation or go and quarantine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    "The Government put Portugal on the green list only 2.5 weeks ago..."

    Yvette Cooper today. What exactly has changed in 2.5 weeks apart from people booking holidays in Portugal and now either having to cancel without easy access to compensation or go and quarantine?
    Perhaps it was form the analysis of these fans returning::

    Football fans returning from the Champions League final in Portugal have been told to self-isolate after multiple flights reported passengers testing positive for coronavirus.

    Posting on one fan forum, passengers reported as many as five flights organised by Manchester City for the match against Chelsea have been affected.

    It follows reports that Portugal will be removed from the green travel list on Thursday.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b1859177.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZER2 View Post
    looks like Portugal is coming off the green list on the day over half the adult population has had the 2 doses in England

    another blow for the travel industry

    With so many fully vaccinated now thought it would open up more destinations not decrease ?
    It’s a massive blow to the travel industry and also to people’s Mental Health.
    Maybe it’s a way of getting people to accept a vaccine passport.

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    If we cannot get away to countries that as safe / similar / less C19 numbers than us, then we really have issues with the future of the travel industry in the UK

    with a good % having had 1 or both jabs, its almost at a point that its as good as its going to get for a while

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    Why do I get the impression again that Wales is going to be kept restricted more than England?
    This health Minister talking about this big spike (59 cases) meaning we may have to wait, this despite continuous low hospitalisations and deaths. They seem to be cherry picking the bits of information that suit the narrative they have already decide to follow, which seems a bit arse backwards to me
    The hospitality sector is being singled out again with no change to indoor restrictions, which means a lot of places that have no outdoor facilities still cannot make a living. Indoor live music can forget any hope of revival if this goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Why do I get the impression again that Wales is going to be kept restricted more than England?
    This health Minister talking about this big spike (59 cases) meaning we may have to wait, this despite continuous low hospitalisations and deaths. They seem to be cherry picking the bits of information that suit the narrative they have already decide to follow, which seems a bit arse backwards to me
    The hospitality sector is being singled out again with no change to indoor restrictions, which means a lot of places that have no outdoor facilities still cannot make a living. Indoor live music can forget any hope of revival if this goes on.
    there have been something like 1000 fewer deaths in Wales than if we had the same fatality rate than England has had. So perhaps our more cautious approach has its merits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    there have been something like 1000 fewer deaths in Wales than if we had the same fatality rate than England has had. So perhaps our more cautious approach has its merits
    Maybe so, or maybe it is because Wales is more rural, I don't know. It seems though as if restaurants and pubs (Which have far stricter controls than shops and other places) are being left behind. Not to mention indoor music venues and nightclubs. We will need to wait and see but I just get the feeling. as I said, that they have already decided to block reopening the country and as choosing the narrative now to justify it later.
    I hopw I'm wrong.

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    xsnaggle, good reminder to us all to support our local businesses throughout this and when they're recovering after

    "The UK regulator has approved the use of the Pfizer vaccine for 12-15 year olds. It's now up to the JCVI to decide" as per Peter Gillibrand of ITV.

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    Not sure what the UK ( i will include all home nations in this ) plan / end game is

    I watched a USA news article in Universal studio's theme park a few days ago, it was a big day for them, The end of social distancing, no face masks, its back to normal

    yet over here we have another dark shadow lurking in the background ( be it the delta or Thai variant , which they also have in the USA )

    The mindset of the 2 countries are a mile apart on life returning to normal

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Not sure what the UK ( i will include all home nations in this ) plan / end game is

    I watched a USA news article in Universal studio's theme park a few days ago, it was a big day for them, The end of social distancing, no face masks, its back to normal

    yet over here we have another dark shadow lurking in the background ( be it the delta or Thai variant , which they also have in the USA )

    The mindset of the 2 countries are a mile apart on life returning to normal
    The Government [and advisors] have become stuck in a mental groundhog day. They just can't bring themselves to break free of the psychological hold the virus has put them in. New 'variants' are going to keep coming to the surface indefinitely, and when a new 'variant' appears, it's closedown again.

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