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Thread: How has it got to this?

  1. #1

    How has it got to this?

    https://youtu.be/iGUGGgoEloM

    Last night in White city London.
    How can we have situations like this where riot police are having to retreat whilst having all sorts thrown at them, by cowardly arseholes covered up in hoodies.?

  2. #2

    Re: How has it got to this?

    but Black Lives Matter

  3. #3

    Re: How has it got to this?

    doesnt look like a PSU in sight at the start, then it looks like a few arrived for the 2nd go

  4. #4

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_corneli View Post
    but Black Lives Matter
    What's it got to do with the black lives matter protest ?

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    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    https://youtu.be/iGUGGgoEloM

    Last night in White city London.
    How can we have situations like this where riot police are having to retreat whilst having all sorts thrown at them, by cowardly arseholes covered up in hoodies.?
    Public order situations have always been like this

    The miners strike

    Football disorder

    Brixton , toxteth , st Paul's, Tottenham riots

    Ely riots in cardiff

    Not saying it's right and any person that is caught on camera throwing a missile is looking at a stretch but things have always been like this

    The last time this country really went up in smoke was 2011

  6. #6

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    How can we have situations like this where riot police are having to retreat whilst having all sorts thrown at them, by cowardly arseholes covered up in hoodies.?
    They're not riot police.

  7. #7

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_corneli View Post
    but Black Lives Matter
    Shut up you daft racist.

  8. #8

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    They're not riot police.
    Ok. But they are police. Is that an excuse for this sort of behaviour? You've got to be nuts to want to join the force In modern day UK. You're on a hiding to nothing from day one.

  9. #9

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Shut up you daft racist.
    I am NOT a racist. All I'm trying to say is, don't ALL lives matter.

  10. #10

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_corneli View Post
    I am NOT a racist. All I'm trying to say is, don't ALL lives matter.
    Capital letters don’t hide your bigotry!

  11. #11

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_corneli View Post
    I am NOT a racist. All I'm trying to say is, don't ALL lives matter.
    what's that, or black lives matter got to do with a thread about an illegal rave though?

  12. #12

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_corneli View Post
    I am NOT a racist.
    Sure you're not. You've convinced me. It was obviously just a coincidence that you linked a disturbance at a party in West London to the Black Lives Matter movement.....

  13. #13

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Ok. But they are police. Is that an excuse for this sort of behaviour?
    Your heading says "how has it got to this?" as if the notion of a group of policemen backing away from a rowdy bunch of thugs is a new development.

    All I can imagine is you haven't been to many City away games over the years if you've never witnessed this sort of behaviour before.

  14. #14

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Your heading says "how has it got to this?" as if the notion of a group of policemen backing away from a rowdy bunch of thugs is a new development.

    All I can imagine is you haven't been to many City away games over the years if you've never witnessed this sort of behaviour before.
    Ok. You've dissected my thread title, and maybe rightly so, as i should have worded it better.
    So lets try this one. What is the answer to disgraceful situations like this, as they continue to happen.?
    P.s your quip about not being at many City away games is a moot point, as I've probably been to as many as you, if not more, as I'm older, but lets not dwell on that 😁

  15. #15

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Ok. You've dissected my thread title, and maybe rightly so, as i should have worded it better.
    So lets try this one. What is the answer to disgraceful situations like this, as they continue to happen.?
    P.s your quip about not being at many City away games is a moot point, as I've probably been to as many as you, if not more, as I'm older, but lets not dwell on that 😁
    I meant to add, backing away is one thing, but having bricks and missiles thrown at you as you are backing away is both idiotic total lawlessness. Whats the answer to it?

  16. #16

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    I meant to add, backing away is one thing, but having bricks and missiles thrown at you as you are backing away is both idiotic total lawlessness. Whats the answer to it?
    I don’t suppose there is an answer, throughout history some folk behave and some people act like dicks, it’s nothing new, doubt it’ll ever change.

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    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    I meant to add, backing away is one thing, but having bricks and missiles thrown at you as you are backing away is both idiotic total lawlessness. Whats the answer to it?
    Are you suggesting it's worse than it has ever been?

  18. #18

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    I meant to add, backing away is one thing, but having bricks and missiles thrown at you as you are backing away is both idiotic total lawlessness. Whats the answer to it?
    I'm 53 years of age. I first became aware of incidents like this in the mid-Seventies when I was about 7 or 8. They have been happening ever since, whether it be at football matches, demonstrations, raves or pretty much any other kind of public gathering.

    What's the answer? I've no idea. Human beings are idiotic, violent, destructive creatures. Always have been and I'd guess we always will be.

  19. #19

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Are you suggesting it's worse than it has ever been?
    FFS!!!! Whats the matter with folk like you Eric. You're always trying to be argumentative.
    Im not suggesting anything.
    What i am saying, is once again, we see scenes like last night( maybe we are seeing it more now because of members of the public filming it and downloading it), and once again the mindless participants are ruling the streets.
    Why don't you try to think of a solution, or some sort of compromise, or some positive input instead of being the usual smart arse you come across as?

  20. #20

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    I meant to add, backing away is one thing, but having bricks and missiles thrown at you as you are backing away is both idiotic total lawlessness. Whats the answer to it?
    Better police training and equipment, our "riot police" couldn't handle a proper riot

  21. #21

    Re: How has it got to this?

    when you come out of loftus road and they send you right , there's always a welcoming mob appear from the estate on your right...that's where it all kicked off yesterday

  22. #22

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by alan_corneli View Post
    I am NOT a racist. All I'm trying to say is, don't ALL lives matter.
    That's obvious, even a 5 year old knows that but I think the BLM campaign is trying to suggest that Black people have not been included in ALL. Don't worry, you don't appear to be the only one who has failed to understand the message.

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    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    FFS!!!! Whats the matter with folk like you Eric. You're always trying to be argumentative. Im not suggesting anything.
    Methinks thou doth protest too much.

    You're having a bit of a 'mare in this thread. You started by asking a stupid question while presenting this situation as a new development, which it obviously isn't. It's the sort of thing that's been going on for decades. So what was your motivation, I wonder? Very curious.

  24. #24

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    FFS!!!! Whats the matter with folk like you Eric. You're always trying to be argumentative.
    Im not suggesting anything.
    What i am saying, is once again, we see scenes like last night( maybe we are seeing it more now because of members of the public filming it and downloading it), and once again the mindless participants are ruling the streets.
    Why don't you try to think of a solution, or some sort of compromise, or some positive input instead of being the usual smart arse you come across as?
    Well they are not ruling the streets , we will always have pockets of disorder , they have them in germany , france etc

    The last time this country was out of control was the 2011 riots when various parts of london , birmingham , liverpool and manchester went up in smoke

    As for the police putting up with this and being on a hiding to nothing they are trained for public disorder , all police forces have riot training where they are kitted up in riot clothing whilst other coppers chuck missiles at them and petrol bombs

    It's part of the job in the same way arresting someone with a load of heroin deals on them is , attending a domestic violence call , armed officers tracking down violent suspects etc

  25. #25

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Seen worse outside Niniian Park, Bristol
    Christmas 2001 and Stoke a few months later.

  26. #26

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    What's it got to do with the black lives matter protest ?
    I know it called white city , was it a predominantly a white party event then? I really at looked at it , as most of the black parties to be fair are in black communities in London ,and i do think black lives matter and I hope the organizers and attendees think the same .

  27. #27

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Seen worse outside Niniian Park, Bristol
    Christmas 2001 and Stoke a few months later.
    To be fair and me Man u game and the Scottish invasion in 85 was something to be behold ,guess were all guilty at the time of enjoying it , even though we went home bloodied .

  28. #28

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I know it called white city , was it a predominantly a white party event then? I really at looked at it , as most of the black parties to be fair are in black communities in London ,and i do think black lives matter and I hope the organizers and attendees think the same .
    I have no idea what you are talking about

    The video was of a disturbance between people who were at a party and the police who were clearly called because it was pissing people off

    It clearly got out of hand and the police retreated and eventually sent in with riot gear on

    The original poster said how had things come to this ?

    Then alan from Cornelly said .......because black lives matter

    What on earth the black lives matter protest .....which he clearly doesnt agree with .....has to do with a gang of drunk party goers attacking the police is baffling

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    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I know it called white city , was it a predominantly a white party event then? I really at looked at it , as most of the black parties to be fair are in black communities in London ,and i do think black lives matter and I hope the organizers and attendees think the same .
    The area now called White City was level arable farmfields until 1908, when it was used as the site of the Franco-British Exhibition and the 1908 Summer Olympics. In 1909 the exhibition site hosted the Imperial International Exhibition and in 1910, the Japan-British Exhibition. The final two exhibitions to be held there were the Latin-British Exhibition (1912) and the Anglo-American Exhibition (1914), which was brought to a premature end by the outbreak of the First World War.[2] During this period it was known as the Great White City due to the white marble cladding used on the exhibition pavilions, and hence gave its name to this part of Shepherd's Bush.

  30. #30

    Re: How has it got to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Methinks thou doth protest too much.

    You're having a bit of a 'mare in this thread. You started by asking a stupid question while presenting this situation as a new development, which it obviously isn't. It's the sort of thing that's been going on for decades. So what was your motivation, I wonder? Very curious.
    What the hell are you going on about ? We arenít in court here spider boy. youríe not some top end lawyer cross examining me😁
    Iíve admitted i worded it wrongly. I know scenes like this have been happening for yrs, i just feel angry and sickened by it every time i see it.
    I was more looking for other posters input on ways of dealing with it. Thats all. Has it transferred from the football to normal life now? You know. A bit of discussion .No ulterior motive. Youíve already said your not sure what the answer is.
    If your input was just to make me look a fool, then i hope you got what you wanted. 👍

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