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Thread: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

  1. #21

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Maybe thereís a reason to thank him for galvanising and uniting (most) of our fan base due to the rebrand. It was fansí anger and (the majority) getting behind the back to blue campaign that showed that perhaps our fans have got the balls to fight and right wrongs. Hated the red but itíll go down as fansí win in the history of our club Iíd imagine.
    Bit of re-writing of history there. Vast majority of fanbase was happy to go along with it, some turned when red scarves were handed out but kept on supporting the project, some more turned December time in that premier league season but there were only a maximum of a thousand who marched before the Liverpool game so active resistance was always just a small percentage of fans, although by that time most were passively resistant instead of passively supportive. It was relegation and rubbish championship football that made most actively resistant to the project.

    Weren't we still under Slade when change back to blue happened? Crowds returned for very short period of time before just how dull the football was dropped numbers down again.

    Anyway, it's a long time ago now. Several owners have come in and taken on crown of being worst in the league leaving Tan and Blackburn owners to quietly repair their reputation.

  2. #22

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Maybe thereís a reason to thank him for galvanising and uniting (most) of our fan base due to the rebrand. It was fansí anger and (the majority) getting behind the back to blue campaign that showed that perhaps our fans have got the balls to fight and right wrongs.
    Are you taking the piss?

  3. #23

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Bit of re-writing of history there. Vast majority of fanbase was happy to go along with it, some turned when red scarves were handed out but kept on supporting the project, some more turned December time in that premier league season but there were only a maximum of a thousand who marched before the Liverpool game so active resistance was always just a small percentage of fans, although by that time most were passively resistant instead of passively supportive. It was relegation and rubbish championship football that made most actively resistant to the project.

    Weren't we still under Slade when change back to blue happened? Crowds returned for very short period of time before just how dull the football was dropped numbers down again.

    Anyway, it's a long time ago now. Several owners have come in and taken on crown of being worst in the league leaving Tan and Blackburn owners to quietly repair their reputation.
    Was it a coincidence that the change back to blue was announced after a crowd of just 4,194 for an FA Cup tie with Colchester?

  4. #24

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Was it a coincidence that the change back to blue was announced after a crowd of just 4,194 for an FA Cup tie with Colchester?
    I heard his mum is/was a Colchester fan so really that was the first time she got to see how the Cardiff project was going

  5. #25

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by light up the darkness View Post
    History is littered with examples of people who made their wealth out of exploiting the working classes and then attempted to return a portion of their wealth through charitable foundations.

    Carnegie and Rockefeller for example set up foundations that are still going strong today

    Whitchurch library was built with money gifted by the Carnegie Trust

    Contemporary philanthropists include Bill Gates, Warren Feeney, George Soros and Douglas Tompkins the North Face founder who returned ownership of 2 million acres of land to Chile and Argentina for the creation of national parks.

    My point is, it’s not a new thing and a lot more money has been returned to the citizens over the years via the establishment of facilities that are available to the community than Tan owns.

    I agree with TOBW Tan has done a lot of good things for the club but this is balanced by some of the poor decisions made.

    I don’t believe for one moment that he is a bad person. Possibly badly advised but there comes a time in the lives of some people when they reflect on their lives and consider their legacy. The richness of the individual's life, including what that person accomplished and the impact he or she had on people and places. Ultimately it’s the story of a person's life.

    For CCFC he will always be a part of the club’s history and the club will always be part of him.
    Warren Feeney?

  6. #26

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Blue View Post
    Hats off to him.
    God willing.

  7. #27

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    But you don't need an analogy to explain it, it was fairly simple.
    I agree with Blue Genie. In 50 years if he's remembered for anything, it'll be for turning us red. Managers might be remembered for promotions or players, but not owners.
    The reason I used that analogy was not as a tool to emphasise or clarify the point I was trying to make. At the time, like many others I was disappointed when the re-brand was announced I but I read the analogy somewhere and it just resonated with me. It helped me put things into perspective after the turmoil the club had gone through prior to VT's arrival, a time when the club's very existence was threatened.

  8. #28

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Are you taking the piss?
    😂😂

  9. #29

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Was it a coincidence that the change back to blue was announced after a crowd of just 4,194 for an FA Cup tie with Colchester?
    No it wasn’t, I have it from a reliable sauCe tHat the change back to blue was decided after the season had started

  10. #30

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    He's just a twat with deep pockets. Nothing he has done at Cardiff City has made any sense fiscally. If he's a billionaire he could give half his wealth away now and oversee a foundation.

  11. #31

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    He's just a twat with deep pockets. Nothing he has done at Cardiff City has made any sense fiscally. If he's a billionaire he could give half his wealth away now and oversee a foundation.
    Oh dear

  12. #32

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Are you taking the piss?
    So it wasnít action by the fans that reversed the rebrand? Or do you reckon Tan really did act on his mother's advice.

  13. #33

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Was it a coincidence that the change back to blue was announced after a crowd of just 4,194 for an FA Cup tie with Colchester?
    If it was because of that attendance it would point to the (lack of) fans and discontent that swayed him.

  14. #34

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    So it wasnít action by the fans that reversed the rebrand? Or do you reckon Tan really did act on his mother's advice.
    It was, although i'd say that most of the fans who really took up the protest were against the rebrand from the start. Plenty, in fact the large majority accepted it, albeit reluctantly, whatever that means. One person who posts on here went on TV sanctioning it, with the bloke who compared it to Treats and M and M's, whatever happened to him?

    I'm pretty certain that if the club had established itself in the Premier league and 30,000 crowds were a fortnightly occurence, then we'd still be in red. The shit football under Slade and the dwindling crowds certainly helped persuade Tan on putting us back into our rightful colours.

  15. #35

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    If it was because of that attendance it would point to the (lack of) fans and discontent that swayed him.
    Nah, the lack of fans was because we were shit and it was an FA cup match against Colchester.

  16. #36

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    It was, although i'd say that most of the fans who really took up the protest were against the rebrand from the start. Plenty, in fact the large majority accepted it, albeit reluctantly, whatever that means. One person who posts on here went on TV sanctioning it, with the bloke who compared it to Treats and M and M's, whatever happened to him?

    I'm pretty certain that if the club had established itself in the Premier league and 30,000 crowds were a fortnightly occurence, then we'd still be in red. The shit football under Slade and the dwindling crowds certainly helped persuade Tan on putting us back into our rightful colours.
    Yes, that's much more in line with my recollection of what happened. Who can forget Red Scarf Night?

    Anyway, time moves on......

  17. #37

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo View Post
    Dup
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    It was, although i'd say that most of the fans who really took up the protest were against the rebrand from the start. Plenty, in fact the large majority accepted it, albeit reluctantly, whatever that means. One person who posts on here went on TV sanctioning it, with the bloke who compared it to Treats and M and M's, whatever happened to him?

    I'm pretty certain that if the club had established itself in the Premier league and 30,000 crowds were a fortnightly occurence, then we'd still be in red. The shit football under Slade and the dwindling crowds certainly helped persuade Tan on putting us back into our rightful colours.
    That's how I remember it.

  18. #38

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo View Post
    That's how I remember it.
    Cos that's how it happened Tan threatened fans over the blue, basically, stay in Blue, no cash, play in red, thousands of shirt sales in Malaysia and cash for the Prem. To be fair to Tan, he was true to his words, or threat, however people see it. I think it was the grovelling letters that some of our 'super fans' sent to Tan that saved the day. Have a read of them if you already haven't, begging letters to a lottery winner.

  19. #39

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    It was, although i'd say that most of the fans who really took up the protest were against the rebrand from the start. Plenty, in fact the large majority accepted it, albeit reluctantly, whatever that means. One person who posts on here went on TV sanctioning it, with the bloke who compared it to Treats and M and M's, whatever happened to him?

    I'm pretty certain that if the club had established itself in the Premier league and 30,000 crowds were a fortnightly occurence, then we'd still be in red. The shit football under Slade and the dwindling crowds certainly helped persuade Tan on putting us back into our rightful colours.
    We weren’t going to establish ourselves in the Premier League though and it was realised that the hangers on would drift away diluting the thousands who didn’t give a shite about what colour we played in, leaving the back to blue crowd in the majority, a majority that ensured a return to the colour. Ironically the club’s mishandling of our initial Premier League stint led to the eventual return to blue, the ones that only craved success disappeared until the next false dawn leaving the remaining core support to stir the shit, and it worked. As some have said, it’s in the past now and will always be an interesting, if sad, footnote in our history. But, what’s also sad is that some ex fans (who, in my opinion still care deeply about the club, because it’s bloody hard not to for them) won’t return to the fold and support 100%, they still, again in my opinion, hold a grudge which is quite unhealthy and not good for the mind.

  20. #40

    Re: Vincent Tan to give half his wealth to charity after he dies...

    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    We weren’t going to establish ourselves in the Premier League though and it was realised that the hangers on would drift away diluting the thousands who didn’t give a shite about what colour we played in, leaving the back to blue crowd in the majority, a majority that ensured a return to the colour. Ironically the club’s mishandling of our initial Premier League stint led to the eventual return to blue, the ones that only craved success disappeared until the next false dawn leaving the remaining core support to stir the shit, and it worked. As some have said, it’s in the past now and will always be an interesting, if sad, footnote in our history. But, what’s also sad is that some ex fans (who, in my opinion still care deeply about the club, because it’s bloody hard not to for them) won’t return to the fold and support 100%, they still, again in my opinion, hold a grudge which is quite unhealthy and not good for the mind.
    Yup, there were fans who wanted to go back to blue, but i'm not sure how vocal they were initially, those that still went to watch games. I suppose it was difficult for them, as there would've been a sizeable amount of support who didn't give a shit either way, and an element who were for the rebrand. Poor form, the debacle with Malky and that other bloke who were found to have sent racist text messages, Ole ****ing up, relegation, and general Slade, all helped in Tan reconsidering, and i'm sure it helped in swaying some fans to become more vocal, why not if hardly anything was gained from it all, we'd re assumed our previous position or lower, with inferior players. A good time to be vocal and critical, and much easier to protest when the team is struggling and there is no incentive (anymore) to play in red.

    As for the fans that walked. Well, i stayed away, but returned when my son went mad for the club, although he hated red. We actually went back under Slade, or he sort of dragged me along. I'm very pleased that he did. Others who haven't returned were probably more hurt by the reaction of our support than that of Tan, although i can't speak for them. The one thing that i learnt from the whole shit show is that we may all support the same team, but our morals, ethics and perceptions are different towards the club and what we find important. That sounds a bit stupid now, why wouldn't they be? I think that i went through my CCFC supporting life thinking that when it came to the club, we all thought and wanted the same thing. How stupid and naive i was.

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