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Thread: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You just have to browse social media , you will see that is the impression , even among Labour voters

    Even on here he's been called duckford , dickford

    He's no leader , might be a nice bloke but he's no leader like Carwyn Jones was


    You can gauge peoples opinions on the Internet and multi media far quicker than talking to people in the street
    As far as I can recall that was known when he was voted in. His strengths were that he is one of the most intelligent people in the Senedd and knowledgeable about his brief.

    What is Drakefordism? — Liz Silversmith: https://hiraethblogcymru.medium.com/...h-9fb73a1a3d21

    1) Government as a force for good (further explanation for each point discussed in the link)
    2) Universal rather than mean-tested services
    3) Cooperation is better than competition
    4) Improve the collective voice, not individual choice
    5) Service users and service providers are engaged in a joint enterprise with high trust, not merely servers and recipients
    6) And finally, pursuing the equality of outcome rather than the equality of opportunity

    Mark ends his pamphlet on a prophetic note: that “the environmental dimension of a more equal Wales will have to move more centre stage”. This was back in 2008, before Extinction Rebellion; before the more urgent warnings from the UN; before we accepted — even if scientists had been warning for years — that the nature crisis and the climate crisis will engulf us all unless we do something about it.

    Ever the professor, ever the forward-thinker, he is both the architect of clear red water and the inventor of Drakefordism.
    Most criticism hasn't focused on who he is, what he believes or the choices he's lead. Sometimes that has worked in his favour and sometimes it has not, but isn't the plan for him to step down within the next term as happened when he took over the role? Deciding to vote Labour or not on basis of Drakeford is only relevant for short term.

  2. #42

    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Why are you so fixated over what other peoples politics may be?
    Again you avoid what has been said and try to deflect attention on a different course.
    But what you said does speak volumes of your opinion of the people you want to see governing us. and it would appear your opinion is not very high.
    And it seems you are concerned that the conservatives may make gains at the election. I suppose this must mean there are more completely stupid people in Wales that you thought there was. After all they must be mustn't they?
    They shouldn't be allowed to vote, they're too stupid.
    Interesting suggestion. I do worry about anyone who would want RT leading the country.

  3. #43

    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Interesting suggestion. I do worry about anyone who would want RT leading the country.
    This is an election for the parliament as a whole, and not a presidential election. you're voting for a party to govern, you're not voting for a leader outright.

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    the only sensible option when choosing your party allegiance at this election is Abolish


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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    the only sensible option when choosing your party allegiance at this election is Abolish

    I know you're on a windup Damien but did you see their party spokesman on Wales Politics this morning?

    Comedy gold

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Off with their heads

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Why are you so fixated over what other peoples politics may be?
    Again you avoid what has been said and try to deflect attention on a different course.
    But what you said does speak volumes of your opinion of the people you want to see governing us. and it would appear your opinion is not very high.
    And it seems you are concerned that the conservatives may make gains at the election. I suppose this must mean there are more completely stupid people in Wales that you thought there was. After all they must be mustn't they?
    They shouldn't be allowed to vote, they're too stupid.
    I know what your politics are , you are a tory

    Anyone who votes tory isn't in my phone book

    And thats the way it is

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    Interesting suggestion. I do worry about anyone who would want RT leading the country.
    Hes promised loads

    All uncosted

    Dreadful bunch of chanchers

    Boris mk 2

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I know what your politics are , you are a tory

    Anyone who votes tory isn't in my phone book

    And thats the way it is
    You know sweet FA about me! Failed!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claude Blue View Post
    I know you're on a windup Damien but did you see their party spokesman on Wales Politics this morning?

    Comedy gold
    Unfortunately not. Can I assume qualities such as charisma, articulation and intelligence were bereft of this interview?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Labour won't have your vote because mark drakeford doesn't believe in devolving the benefits system to Wales?

    I want him gone for a lot of reasons but if we do take over the welfare system its going to cost a shed load of money to pay for it

    How are we going to raise that money ?
    How are the current UK government paying for it?

    Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    How are the current UK government paying for it?

    Hmmm...
    An independent Wales would have to borrow an awful lot of money.

    Where would it borrow it from?

  13. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    You know sweet FA about me! Failed!!
    I know on every political thread you sound like a tory pent up with rage

    That will do for me

    People who never say who they vote for are almost always tories

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Claude Blue View Post
    An independent Wales would have to borrow an awful lot of money.

    Where would it borrow it from?
    Tom Jones

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    How are the current UK government paying for it?

    Hmmm...
    The economic success of London and the South East

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Feedback View Post
    The economic success of London and the South East
    Feedie, humour a simpleton like me.

    Are the current UK government estimated to be in over 2 trillion quids worth of debt, Covid-19 has probably upped that number?

    Did they balance the books through their austerity measures?

    Did GDP fall during austerity?

    Hasn’t Brexit further fuucked the economy?

    If we are in 2 trillion quid over our heads where all this money from Laaaandaaan Town going? It’s not ending up in Perthcelyn.

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by Jordi Culé View Post
    Feedie, humour a simpleton like me.

    Are the current UK government estimated to be in over 2 trillion quids worth of debt, Covid-19 has probably upped that number?

    Did they balance the books through their austerity measures?

    Did GDP fall during austerity?

    Hasn’t Brexit further fuucked the economy?

    If we are in 2 trillion quid over our heads where all this money from Laaaandaaan Town going? It’s not ending up in Perthcelyn.

    I may be wrong but I understood the government funded its Covid spending (and much else besides) by printing more money. The effect of that is not to add to the debt but to fuel inflation. Inflation that will hit the poor harder than the rich.

    That hasn't stopped most of the main client journalists (Peston, Kuenssberg, Rigby etc) repeating the line that Sunak has been borrowing like it's going out of fashion - people before pennies! - and in promoting that lie they are happily preparing the ground for the next round of austerity (to reduce the debt!).

    Sunak will turn into Osbourne II in about a year whether he is Prime Minister by then or still Chancellor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    I may be wrong but I understood the government funded its Covid spending (and much else besides) by printing more money. The effect of that is not to add to the debt but to fuel inflation. Inflation that will hit the poor harder than the rich.

    That hasn't stopped most of the main client journalists (Peston, Kuenssberg, Rigby etc) repeating the line that Sunak has been borrowing like it's going out of fashion - people before pennies! - and in promoting that lie they are happily preparing the ground for the next round of austerity (to reduce the debt!).

    Sunak will turn into Osbourne II in about a year whether he is Prime Minister by then or still Chancellor.
    Cheers Jon, it’s always reassuring to know that the government’s SPAD for dealing with monetary arrangements during Covid-19 was Wrexham’s Mickey Thomas

    Agree with you 100% austerity on steroids is on the way.

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    Re: Eluned Morgan , Next Labour Leader In Wales , I hope

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I know on every political thread you sound like a tory pent up with rage

    That will do for me

    People who never say who they vote for are almost always tories
    Pent up with rage? You really are a ****ing idiot. Live in your drug scrambled world mate. Jog on!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Pent up with rage? You really are a ****ing idiot. Live in your drug scrambled world mate. Jog on!!
    Me thinks thou doth protest too much my lord

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