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Quote from an online media interview with Neil Warnock in January 2019, relating to Gary Madine’s loan move to Sheffield United - took me all of 2 minutes to find - read it and weep TLG and Mr half a bee - now who is the idiot.
”They create a lot of chances do Sheffield, and I’ve said to him: ‘go and get my old club up and get them promoted’.
”He’s felt such a heavy load on his head here, starting with missing a penalty but sometimes it’s good to wipe the slate clean.
“Financially it’s very good for us as well, everything is fully paid up and there are incentives for them going up as well.”
Come on then, what are you waiting for ? Cat got your tongue ?
I say, old chap - I see no mention of a large loan fee. Do you have a link to this interview so I can see if I can find any mention of it? Thanks awfully.Originally Posted by dml1954
Hang on, so now you think that I have typed out a fake interview by Neil Warnock to make it look like we got money in for Madine ? !!. For the last two and a half years you have been trying to ridicule me for daring to suggest that anyone in their right minds would hand any money over to City for the over priced waste of space (your opinion) that was Gary Madine. Now that is is patently wrong (they paid all his wages, plus a loan fee, plus a promotion bonus which in total amounted to a ‘large amount of money’ and probably well in excess of £1m, which is what I said in the first place) and yet you still wriggle around and try to deflect any flak from yourself by pedantically playing with words and trying to be clever. As I said before - jog on and get a life.
https://www.dai-sport.com/football-c...ffield-united/
So no mention of a large loan fee, then?
You don’t like being proved wrong, do you. Makes you look and feel particularly stupid doesn't it, after all this time lording it over this board and its members. FACT - we got over £1m from Sheffield United for Gary Madine’s loan.
That’s ok then, what a steal he was eh??
Really? FACT, huh? As the great man himself once said, prove it.
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I doubt very much whether there was a loan fee for Murphy and it is highly likely we will be picking up the majority of his wages.
50%.
Here’s the article;-
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nited-15629066
The only quotes relating to finance are from Neil Warnock.
No mention of loan fees, large or otherwise, in these;-
https://www.footballparadise.com/she...-from-cardiff/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46786641
https://www.skysports.com/football/n...m-cardiff-city
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...effield-united
Seems to me that unless the loan fee we got from Sheffield United was more than £6 million, he still was a terrible buy by Warnock.
of course it was a terrible buy, it was obvious at the time. an awful signing.
comfortably the worst purchase we've ever made which is saying something
Semantics I know but!
I don't think he was a terrible buy - I think it was a terrible deal
I think on paper it was a good signing if it was circa £0.5-1m. I think he showed some glimpses of what he could do at times and did suit us at that time
There's a difference. The terrible buys are ones that;
a) were never going to play
b) never fitted into a style
There are a handful of bad buys but hell of a lot more of bad deals
Not quite sure why you feel the need to get involved but anyway I have already provided the link, as above, where Warnock clearly states the financial situation relating to Madine’s loan move which includes incentives relating to the deal. The full figures were ‘undisclosed’ presumably because both clubs wanted to keep them quiet. My relatives in Yorkshire have indicated that the the incentive payment was around £500000 if United went up (which they did) and on top of that there were his wages, probably more than £20000 a week, which were paid in full. A loan fee was also paid but that figure has never been released. Warnock stated that the deal was financially lucrative for City. My issue with TLG is that he has always ridiculed that we got anything for Madine and will continue to do so. I have never stated that we got £6m loan fee for Madine but I do feel that his original transfer fee was good value, bearing in mind he helped us get up in 2018 and at the time we were in desperate need of a striker and £6m was the going rate in the January window.
As the man who spent all of that money on someone who turned out to be a dud st City, Warnock would try to make the terms Madine went to Sheffield United under sound as attractive as possible wouldn’t he.
Your last sentence rather says it all about the way you come at things. If some other Championship side had paid £6 million for a striker who never scored a goal in the twenty six appearances (and that’s only league matches) he made for them and missed a penalty in a top of the table game with the eventual Champions, you wouldn’t be saying “ah, but he got an assist at Sheffield United” about him, you’d be laying into the player and the team daft enough to pay all that money for him.
The only way Gary Madine’s signing represented “good value” is if you truly believe we wouldn’t have gone up if we hadn’t signed him - apart from that one, valuable, assist at Bramell Lane, Madine contributed nothing towards our promotion.
By getting promotion to the Premier League, our turnover went up from £34m to £122m. The total paid out by Warnock in transfers to get there, including Madine, was about £10.5m. If that isn't good value for money, I don't know what is. Madine played in 13 games in the promotion run in and therefore contributed fully including ‘that’ assist. To just state that is all he did is plain nonsense. The penalty he ‘missed’ against Wolves was actually saved by the keeper (Hoilett missed his but no one ever mentions that). We still went up anyway. At the time we signed Madine, we had no fit strikers and Bolton didn't want to sell, so we had to pay an inflated fee, which is standard for the January window. Sam Vokes went from Burnley to Stoke for £9m in the same window for gods sake. Accusing Warnock of lying about the loan terms is silly as well.
Tend to agree with inflated fees
You do make me chuckle at times. Where did I accuse Warnock of lying? What I wanted to get over is that having paid a fortune for a dud, he was bound to put the most favourable spin he could on the loan deal, that’s not saying he lied.
Even as I typed Madine missed his penalty, I knew you’d be back with your he didn’t miss it, the goalkeeper saved it line - he and Hoilett didn’t score from those penalties, therefore they missed them, Madine doesn’t get a quarter of a goal because his weak effort would’ve gone in if there wasn’t a goalkeeper there.
Getting all agitated about me saying Madine did nothing except that one assist doesn’t disguise your failure to address my point about whether we would have gone up if we hadn’t signed Madine - of course we would and we didn’t need him to get all of that extra money.
By the way, Zohore came back from his injury on Boxing Day 2017 in the 4-2 home defeat by Fulham - Pilkington was also around that January, so it’s not true to say we had no fit forwards when we signed Madine.
Probably feels the need to get involved because over the years since and the multiple times it's come up you've never actually proven it and often slope off hoping it falls off the page... Until it pops back up again and you still can't prove it.
Not quite. I have always ridiculed your claim that City got a ‘large loan fee’ for Gary Madine that you have previously suggested was well in excess of £1 million.
I note you are now stating the loan fee figure (should one exist) has never been released, which differs somewhat from your previous claims
So you are now finally admitting that Sheffield United paid fees and full wages to City for Madine’s loan. Thats progress anyway, having previously stated on numerous occasions that we didn't get anything. How much do you think they paid in promotion incentive then - £50, £100 ? You asked for a link and I gave you one. Now you are floundering around trying to save face.
Did Sheffield Utd pay some or most of Madine’s wages? Of course they did. That’s how loans normally work. Did they pay all of his wages? I don’t know, but I’d say it’s entirely possible.
Did Sheffield Utd pay Cardiff City a promotion ‘bonus’ of some description? That’s possible. What sort of sum would have been involved if they did? Like you, I have no idea.
Did Sheffield Utd pay Cardiff City a ‘large loan fee’ for Madine in excess of £1 million, as you have previously claimed? Not a chance.
Do you have relatives who are Sheffield Utd season ticket holders and who are acquainted with Chris Wilder, who gave them financial details of the Madine loan deal, which they in turn passed on to you? Don’t be so ridiculous.
it's all a moot point, even if they had paid us 2 million it was still a terrible signing
So, in your book, any fee paid to a club as part of a loan deal for a player, is not a loan fee if it is paid at the end of the loan as part of an incentivised loan agreement. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds. All that I have ever said is that City received in excess of £1m for loaning Madine to Sheffield United in 2019 and you have been denying that happened ever since. Next, you don't think it is possible that any fan of Cardiff City can possibly have relatives or friends who support other clubs. You are deluded. My wife was born in Yorkshire and we have relatives and friends there who that we visit regularly. Please show me where I said anyone knew Chris Wilder or that he personally gave them details of the loan deal- you are making that up, as usual. It is possible for bona fide fans of clubs to get information about their club without knocking on the managers door and having a cup of tea with him. After all, you have been claiming inside information about City for years without actually being a fan or going to games. Have you been making it up all this time ?
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