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Thread: DVLA Adding To HGV Shortages

  1. #21

    Re: DVLA Adding To HGV Shortages

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    To be fair, the phrase 'get on with it' was ambiguous.
    Yes, I acknowledge that..but the response to ambiguity isn't to accuse someone of not caring about "yourself, your family, your loved ones and your colleagues at risk, forget dilapidated buildings and shitty working conditions, forget underfunding and poor pay"

    That's just classic strawman stuff.

  2. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Yes, I acknowledge that..but the response to ambiguity isn't to accuse someone of not caring about "yourself, your family, your loved ones and your colleagues at risk, forget dilapidated buildings and shitty working conditions, forget underfunding and poor pay"

    That's just classic strawman stuff.
    Some posters are more combative and aggressive than others, of course.

  3. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Working conditions poor ?

    Flexible hours working .
    Up to 30 days Annual Leave Ex Bank Holidays
    26 weeks of maternity or a share parents up to 50 weeks
    Good pensions
    Paid Special leave
    Onsite child care and vouchers help
    Onsite Gym
    Free eyesight costs
    Advance /help salary towards cycle purchases and transport costs
    Staff discounts
    long term employment
    Salary 25 ish up can climb to 58k for managers in 6/7 grades
    usual 5 day a week Mon to Fri very flexible industry to help with home life
    Those aren't working conditions, they are benefits, possibly designed to make up for the poor working conditions.

  4. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Working conditions poor ?

    Flexible hours working .
    Up to 30 days Annual Leave Ex Bank Holidays
    26 weeks of maternity or a share parents up to 50 weeks
    Good pensions
    Paid Special leave
    Onsite child care and vouchers help
    Onsite Gym
    Free eyesight costs
    Advance /help salary towards cycle purchases and transport costs
    Staff discounts
    long term employment
    Salary 25 ish up can climb to 58k for managers in 6/7 grades
    usual 5 day a week Mon to Fri very flexible industry to help with home life
    What do you call “a good pension”. My mate worked for the CS for 44 years, how much do you think his pension is for working all those years?

  5. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    This claim really interests me. Would you care to provide some details?
    Personal data on thousands of PC in homes , that may not be secure really , yes you allow gate ways in but I'm guessing we are talking serous money, unless you have the answer and care to share ?

  6. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninian opinian View Post
    What do you call “a good pension”. My mate worked for the CS for 44 years, how much do you think his pension is for working all those years?
    I will be better than a lot of people in the private sector I read that 87% of public sector employees are currently paying into a salary-linked pension schemes , compared with 12% of private sector employees which deliver a better contributions I'm not saying they are wonderful , just better than a lot of folk out there

  7. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I will be better than a lot of people in the private sector I read that 87% of public sector employees are currently paying into a salary-linked pension schemes , compared with 12% of private sector employees which deliver a better contributions I'm not saying they are wonderful , just better than a lot of folk out there
    Yes and for a so called better pension, CS’s have to put up with crap pay. So how much is a good pension and how much do you think my mates is for working 44 years?

  8. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninian opinian View Post
    Yes and for a so called better pension, CS’s have to put up with crap pay. So how much is a good pension and how much do you think my mates is for working 44 years?
    Oh and if it’s so great working for the CS why don’t you do it???

  9. #29

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    Serwotka is a Bluebird - i met him on the train heading back to London Bridge from the Den think it might have been the night Nicky Maynard got injured.

  10. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Personal data on thousands of PC in homes , that may not be secure really , yes you allow gate ways in but I'm guessing we are talking serous money, unless you have the answer and care to share ?
    The answer is you're talking shite.

    Do you honestly believe that the hundreds of thousands of civil servants who have been working on a myriad of government databases remotely during the pandemic haven't had any access to personal data?

    You boldly claimed "you cant work remotely as you have to use secure database servers due to the nature of the work." If that were true, barely anybody would be able to work from home in any industry, let alone in the civil service.

  11. #31

    Re: DVLA Adding To HGV Shortages

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Personal data on thousands of PC in homes , that may not be secure really , yes you allow gate ways in but I'm guessing we are talking serous money, unless you have the answer and care to share ?
    I work for part of the Home Office and we are all working from home with access to individual data of hundreds of thousands including PND.

  12. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    The answer is you're talking shite.

    Do you honestly believe that the hundreds of thousands of civil servants who have been working on a myriad of government databases remotely during the pandemic haven't had any access to personal data?

    You boldly claimed "you cant work remotely as you have to use secure database servers due to the nature of the work." If that were true, barely anybody would be able to work from home in any industry, let alone in the civil service.
    Wait until he hears that HMRC staff have been WFH.

  13. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninian opinian View Post
    Wait until he hears that HMRC staff have been WFH.
    Hello from my front room🙂

  14. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman View Post
    I work for part of the Home Office and we are all working from home with access to individual data of hundreds of thousands including PND.
    The same goes for the MOD Agency I just finished working for.

  15. #35

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    Someone mentioned following the advices of individual businesses on WFH rather than Mark Drakeford; no thank you!!! Does anyone really believe many businesses would favour employee health over profit? I'll stick with my friend Mark if it's all the same.

  16. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorcus View Post
    Someone mentioned following the advices of individual businesses on WFH rather than Mark Drakeford; no thank you!!! Does anyone really believe many businesses would favour employee health over profit? I'll stick with my friend Mark if it's all the same.
    Most private sector businesses seem to be back in reasonable numbers now. It's the public sector, (particularly in Wales, presumably) that is still working largely from home, with questionable results, but that is a huge topic perhaps for discussion elsewhere.

    I certainly think it's unnecessary for Drakeford to offer a route into nightclubs, but still ask people to work from home.

    If it's safe enough for hundreds of people to gather in a pub, it should be safe enough for people to have face to face meetings in offices and it doesn't need the First Minister to intervene at that level, IMO.

  17. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Most private sector businesses seem to be back in reasonable numbers now.
    Seem to be. In reasonable numbers.

    This is all very woolly. Where are you getting your information from?

  18. #38

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    This thread just reads like the tory boys on here are desperate for someone to take part of the blame for the ongoing CF with regards to hgv drivers, and they don't want it to be the Tories or Brexit, so now we are blaming unions and mark Drakeford

  19. #39

    Re: DVLA Adding To HGV Shortages

    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Most private sector businesses seem to be back in reasonable numbers now. It's the public sector, (particularly in Wales, presumably) that is still working largely from home, with questionable results, but that is a huge topic perhaps for discussion elsewhere.

    I certainly think it's unnecessary for Drakeford to offer a route into nightclubs, but still ask people to work from home.

    If it's safe enough for hundreds of people to gather in a pub, it should be safe enough for people to have face to face meetings in offices and it doesn't need the First Minister to intervene at that level, IMO.
    not very easy to nightclub from home is it?

  20. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    Seem to be. In reasonable numbers.

    This is all very woolly. Where are you getting your information from?
    Speaking to people, friends, colleagues, co-workers, clients and obviously working myself.

    I'm not the National Statistics Office (although I will quote them when necessary).

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