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    Logic would also indicate that it would be surprising if people didn't have concerns given that, including Doyle, we have nine players all represented by Unique Sports Group in our squad.

  2. #22

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    Whats wrong with Unique Sports Group? Care to explain? Thanks

  3. #23

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan butler View Post
    Whats wrong with Unique Sports Group? Care to explain? Thanks
    Logic would indicate the issue is we appear to be overwhelmingly reliant upon a single agency for sourcing players rather than any inherent problem within the agency structure per se.

    If the "transfer committee" approach is "Do USG have a player? If yes, get them else look elsewhere" then that is an area of concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logic View Post
    Logic would indicate the issue is we appear to be overwhelmingly reliant upon a single agency for sourcing players rather than any inherent problem within the agency structure per se.

    If the "transfer committee" approach is "Do USG have a player? If yes, get them else look elsewhere" then that is an area of concern.
    Does seem like our scouting network is a pile of wank

  5. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad View Post
    Does seem like our scouting network is a pile of wank
    Seemed to have got two decent players in so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan butler View Post
    Seemed to have got two decent players in so far?
    More than two.

    Top quality loan players in from Wolves, Leeds and Man City. Top quality permanent signing from Arsenal.

    If that is a 'wank' scouting network the word must have changed its meaning recently!

  7. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    More than two.

    Top quality loan players in from Wolves, Leeds and Man City. Top quality permanent signing from Arsenal.

    If that is a 'wank' scouting network the word must have changed its meaning recently!
    Top quality is stretching it a bit, Jon, but i agree with your general point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Top quality is stretching it a bit, Jon, but i agree with your general point.
    Maybe a bit of a stretch, but Doyle and McGuinness both captained their Premier League u23 sides (as well as age group international caps), and Giles and Drameh are both highly rated by their clubs and at worst on the cusp of getting top flight match time.

    Top quality for us though - compared to some of the loans we used to get!

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    Interesting Q&A with Joe Bray (Manchester Evening News) on Doyle:

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...field-22819773

    Generally very positive, but this bit worried me:

    Q. Would he be a good fit for Cardiff?

    JB : I'll be honest, I don't know too much about how Cardiff play nowadays, but if they get it down and look to play a style of football that feeds the wingers then I think he'll be all right.


    Wingers?

  10. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Interesting Q&A with Joe Bray (Manchester Evening News) on Doyle:

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...field-22819773

    Generally very positive, but this bit worried me:

    Q. Would he be a good fit for Cardiff?

    JB : I'll be honest, I don't know too much about how Cardiff play nowadays, but if they get it down and look to play a style of football that feeds the wingers then I think he'll be all right.


    Wingers?
    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...-city-21072861

  11. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Maybe a bit of a stretch, but Doyle and McGuinness both captained their Premier League u23 sides (as well as age group international caps), and Giles and Drameh are both highly rated by their clubs and at worst on the cusp of getting top flight match time.

    Top quality for us though - compared to some of the loans we used to get!
    Young players that are highly rated, yes, a definite step up.

  12. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Interesting Q&A with Joe Bray (Manchester Evening News) on Doyle:

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...field-22819773

    Generally very positive, but this bit worried me:

    Q. Would he be a good fit for Cardiff?

    JB : I'll be honest, I don't know too much about how Cardiff play nowadays, but if they get it down and look to play a style of football that feeds the wingers then I think he'll be all right.


    Wingers?
    He can pick a pass then.

    So he can look for someone else ahead of him for us, other than a winger.

    Not really a big deal is it.

  13. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Generally very positive, but this bit worried me......
    To me, the element of concern is that he failed to make any sort of a mark at Hamburg in Bundesliga 2.

    He joined them on 31/08/21 and was an unused sub for all of their games in September. He finally came off the bench on 01/10/21 for the last few minutes of their 1-1 draw with Erzegbirge, and later in the month he scored within two minutes of coming on in a 2-1 victory over Paderborn. However, from that point onwards he was mostly just an unused sub again. He didn't make a single league start for a side where Robert Glatzel is top scorer.

    It'll be really interesting to see how he gets on as he clearly has ability and City are crying out for a decent midfielder, but the first half of this season in Germany has to be a concern.

  14. #34

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_42c...nel=Bundesliga

    Cracking finish here in the 94th minute.

    Also, look out for a sneaky Glatzel assist for the first goal, pushing the defender out of the way of the shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman View Post
    To me, the element of concern is that he failed to make any sort of a mark at Hamburg in Bundesliga 2.

    He joined them on 31/08/21 and was an unused sub for all of their games in September. He finally came off the bench on 01/10/21 for the last few minutes of their 1-1 draw with Erzegbirge, and later in the month he scored within two minutes of coming on in a 2-1 victory over Paderborn. However, from that point onwards he was mostly just an unused sub again. He didn't make a single league start for a side where Robert Glatzel is top scorer.

    It'll be really interesting to see how he gets on as he clearly has ability and City are crying out for a decent midfielder, but the first half of this season in Germany has to be a concern.
    My concern is the physicality of the championship. He will not have experienced anything like the intensity on a physical level that the championship presents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    My concern is the physicality of the championship. He will not have experienced anything like the intensity on a physical level that the championship presents.
    I think he’ll be alright. He spent 10 years training with Man City’s youth set up and has played about 40 times for England from U16 to U21. He's spent his entire life training with English teams and players. He’s at a better advantage than some Brazilian starlet from Rio.

  17. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by dml1954 View Post
    Even if the jury is still out on the Collins signing, how about using some of this famous ‘logic’ you are supposed to have and tell us why the arrival of McGuiness and Giles didn't improve the squad - both young talented players from Premier League clubs and now followed by an England U21 player from Man City. Who the hell cares who their agents are.
    You think Giles didn't improve the squad?

  18. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    You think Giles didn't improve the squad?
    Think heís making the opposite point

  19. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    My concern is the physicality of the championship. He will not have experienced anything like the intensity on a physical level that the championship presents.
    So by your way of thinking, we shouldn't sign any players that have no Championsip experience?

  20. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lung View Post
    So by your way of thinking, we shouldn't sign any players that have no Championsip experience?
    That's about the size of it Alan.

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