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    Zion

    I railed against the stupidity of Corbyn's Labour Party to rid itself of its anti-semitic labels but when you see these scenes of a journalist killed and her funeral intruded, condemned by the EU together with as strong a disapproval you are likely to get from the US then you do wonder whether people screaming anti-semitism provide a useful mask for the excesses of the the Israeli state.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nalist-emerges

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    Surely there are Innocent Jewish people outside the stare of Israel that don't deserve the backlash of antisemitism ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Surely there are Innocent Jewish people outside the stare of Israel that don't deserve the backlash of antisemitism ?
    Remember this post next time you’re assuming that every male coming over on a dinghy is a rapist

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    Real antisemitism is on the rise.

    Cynical use of ‘antisemitism’ as a slander to silence anti Zionists and anti racists who campaign for Palestinian rights and against Israeli apartheid and murderous discrimination (since 1948) is also on the rise.

    Whilst Israel continues to expropriate and harass and imprison without trial - when not ‘mowing the grass’ every few years - Starmer’s Labour Party (no longer mine) is focussed on expelling elderly Jewish socialists on the crass charge of antisemitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    Remember this post next time you’re assuming that every male coming over on a dinghy is a rapist
    Never said that , cant remember using the world rapist , you did , and yes there are criminals amongst the heavily weighted young single males arriving across the channel , what cant you understand about that fact , why spin it into a racist comment ,stop gaslighting ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Real antisemitism is on the rise.

    Cynical use of ‘antisemitism’ as a slander to silence anti Zionists and anti racists who campaign for Palestinian rights and against Israeli apartheid and murderous discrimination (since 1948) is also on the rise.

    Whilst Israel continues to expropriate and harass and imprison without trial - when not ‘mowing the grass’ every few years - Starmer’s Labour Party (no longer mine) is focussed on expelling elderly Jewish socialists on the crass charge of antisemitism.
    You are in denial if you cant see there was and still is a fundamental problem within the Labour Party and antisemitism , I guess it appeals to some as antisemitism is institutionalised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Never said that , cant remember using the world rapist , you did , and yes there are criminals amongst the heavily weighted young single males arriving across the channel , what cant you understand about that fact , why spin it into a racist comment ,stop gaslighting ?
    How many are criminals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tito Fuente View Post
    How many are criminals?
    One is too many in my book , if my family suffers or gets killed , fair play its a good diversion question though .

    If you need clarification on my position its simple and below:

    Single male arrival moved of shore to be put through asylum process

    Those who have already reached a safe European country stays there and applies for asylum there , and allowed then to apply and transfer to UK if a job and accommodation is viable , the jobs and accommodation determined by UK .

    If a single mail cannot qualify where they are from then they are deported to a safe country based on their language and religion

    Woman and children treated with sensitivity and care on our shores .

    Allow any number of immigrants in as long as they take a job and don't created unemployment blackspots and UK finds that fair spread so we don't fill up certain areas and effect local housing , health and schooling . .

    Any migrant than fall fouls of the law that causes harm to others or imprisonment is deported to their original country .

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    One is too many in my book , if my family suffers or gets killed , fair play its a good diversion question though .

    If you need clarification on my position its simple and below:

    Single male arrival moved of shore to be put through asylum process

    Those who have already reached a safe European country stays there and applies for asylum there , and allowed then to apply and transfer to UK if a job and accommodation is viable , the jobs and accommodation determined by UK .

    If a single mail cannot qualify where they are from then they are deported to a safe country based on their language and religion

    Woman and children treated with sensitivity and care on our shores .

    Allow any number of immigrants in as long as they take a job and don't created unemployment blackspots and UK finds that fair spread so we don't fill up certain areas and effect local housing , health and schooling . .

    Any migrant than fall fouls of the law that causes harm to others or imprisonment is deported to their original country .
    What a about female criminals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    One is too many in my book , if my family suffers or gets killed , fair play its a good diversion question though .

    If you need clarification on my position its simple and below:

    Single male arrival moved of shore to be put through asylum process

    Those who have already reached a safe European country stays there and applies for asylum there , and allowed then to apply and transfer to UK if a job and accommodation is viable , the jobs and accommodation determined by UK .

    If a single mail cannot qualify where they are from then they are deported to a safe country based on their language and religion

    Woman and children treated with sensitivity and care on our shores .

    Allow any number of immigrants in as long as they take a job and don't created unemployment blackspots and UK finds that fair spread so we don't fill up certain areas and effect local housing , health and schooling . .

    Any migrant than fall fouls of the law that causes harm to others or imprisonment is deported to their original country .
    What if some of them are able to construct intelligible sentences in English?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    What if some of them are able to construct intelligible sentences in English?


    Remember, not all Jews are Zionist, not all Zionist are Jews. Palestinians are also Semites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    What if some of them are able to construct intelligible sentences in English?
    Half off shore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tito Fuente View Post
    What a about female criminals?
    Special ladies only island

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    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post


    Remember, not all Jews are Zionist, not all Zionist are Jews. Palestinians are also Semites
    Certainly anti ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Special ladies only island
    That's exactly the vibe you're giving off: Single women and children only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    You are in denial if you cant see there was and still is a fundamental problem within the Labour Party and antisemitism , I guess it appeals to some as antisemitism is institutionalised.
    There is not a ‘fundamental’ problem of antisemitism in the Labour Party. There is not a single investigation or enquiry in recent years that has claimed that. Why do you think there is?

    There are antisemites in the Labour Party and examples of online and in person antisemitism - as there are in all parties and society more generally.

    Antisemitism is less prevalent in Labour than in the Tory Party and the political right.

    When Jeremy Corbyn made this point - basically summarising the key points from the EHRC report - Starmer took away the whip.

    However, most media reports span it a different way. I have asked you before if you
    had read the report (or the Parliamentary select committee report into antisemitism) and as usual you refuse to respond and continue to peddle your Mail headlines and other reflex prejudices.

    I have read all the reports and followed all of the cases that I can and the vast majority are of investigation or suspension or more because a Labour member (often Jewish) has challenged the state ideology or actions of Israel or defended Palestinian rights.

    Starmer claims to be a proud Zionist and denounces multiple human rights organisations (some Israeli) who characterise Israeli policy and practice as apartheid.

    If anyone is in denial it is you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    One is too many in my book , if my family suffers or gets killed , fair play its a good diversion question though .

    If you need clarification on my position its simple and below:

    Single male arrival moved of shore to be put through asylum process

    Those who have already reached a safe European country stays there and applies for asylum there , and allowed then to apply and transfer to UK if a job and accommodation is viable , the jobs and accommodation determined by UK .

    If a single mail cannot qualify where they are from then they are deported to a safe country based on their language and religion

    Woman and children treated with sensitivity and care on our shores .

    Allow any number of immigrants in as long as they take a job and don't created unemployment blackspots and UK finds that fair spread so we don't fill up certain areas and effect local housing , health and schooling . .

    Any migrant than fall fouls of the law that causes harm to others or imprisonment is deported to their original country .
    “Surely there are innocent single Middle Eastern males that don't deserve the backlash of anti male immigrantism”

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    Oh f**k no hang on they’re brown, one of your two least favourite colours

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    Quote Originally Posted by delmbox View Post
    “Surely there are innocent single Middle Eastern males that don't deserve the backlash of anti male immigrantism”
    Genuine question, but do you believe in a rules based immigration system? Or do you think that it is completely issue free for whomever wants to come to the UK to do so?

    No one wants to make uncomfortable decisions, I am just curious as to what other peoples genuine solutions to the issue is and whether they recognise that without some restrictions / controls, the numbers could grow ever higher...and is that a problem or not?

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