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Even though EU citizens had to show their passports they were allowed in under the free movement rules.Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Yes, you are right that non-EU migration was always controlled by the UK, after all Priti Patel and her predecessors were for ever telling us they were going to reduce immigration, implying it was in their control. They just never did and then started peddling lies about the benefits Brexit
Pre-Brexit the UK had a net immigration target of +100k per annum and the governments immediately post Brexit reaffirmed it. It was never realistic but very useful each year it was broken. Quietly discarded since but I guess it served its purpose.
No problem reply how you like
I use edge just for news feed, half hour in the morning really just to see whats happening in sport and whatever else comes up.
I'm not a socialist so i'll read from the guardian to the daily mail, I don't get upset if someone writes something that I disagree with, I understand that the country is divided and most people on here will have a paddy if you link something from a paper they don't like.
That was a project of Theresa May’s if I remember rightly.
Spare a thought for Poland then, 4.4m refugees so far, still coming at the rate of 25 k per day. My local city, population 650k has 110k Ukrainian refugees, 15% growth in 4 months. My team have roughly 70 refugees between them, basically 1 each.
Started with Cameron in 2010 trying to shore up his UKIP flank. Still we know how that ended.
I've just come back in from work and some of these replies are hysterical, talk about an overreaction I think some of you were crying when you replied, get a grip and grow some.
I read it and the bit that jumped out to me is “Between 2011 and 2021, the population of England and Wales grew by a staggering 3.5 million, or about 6.6 per cent.”
As someone correctly pointed out it is due to immigration but also births outstripping deaths, but regardless it explains some of the posts we’ve seen the last few weeks, like I can’t get a doctor, dentist, ambulance, looked after in A&E, a hospital bed a policeman to call after a burglary, buy a house.
We have a problem the population of the UK and many other countries is growing at a significantly faster pace than all our important service providers.
I was expecting to see a sensible discussion about this and how it can be dealt with going forward and how immigration can bring positive benefits such as targeting doctors overseas etc.
Still I suppose it does show who just have one agenda and won’t look at any article and give a measured sensible response.
No doubt I'll come back next time to 30 replies screaming it's all Boris's fault, don't let me down
......and breathe
Presenting an alternative point of view to balance a discussion does not automatically mean you’ve presented a more balanced argument. You seem to believe that former must lead to the latter in your case but, like the rest of us, you may not actually be the best person to judge.
I enjoy reading your posts as they do provoke food for thought sometimes, but claiming victory on this basis all the time isn’t really necessary and distracts from the points you make tbh.
I might misremember and can't be bothered to look for evidence but I'm sure David Cameron talked about limiting immigration to 10 or 20k.
I thought I'd give that article a read to see how objective it is. I held out hope the Daily mail would offer well researched insight into why the population is growing. However, the author's agenda is clear for all to see as they go straight for the easy target for its readers. Credible alternatives have been presented in this thread that the DM won't be interested in as they don't appeal to their readers.
I like immigrants, but where are all the woman and children? They all seem to be fit young lads of fighting age.
Ah the DailyMail, the newspaper that distracts the plebs with stories aimed at engaging them about immigrants and benefits all while the rich are robbing us all.
I know it's not all old people but there seems to be a significant amount of the elderly who read this shit and can't see how much they're being made fools of.
My final words on this. It's hard to take an article in the DM seriously when the first illustrative photograph is this one:
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And BTL there was this comment:
'People coming here to study is a huge compliment to our country, as well as extremely lucrative. As for others coming to work, we have labour shortages. And the jet aeroplane means that places that used to be several weeks ocean voyage away, can now be reached in hours. We cant build a high wall around England.'
It had 22 upvotes and 304 downvotes!
Last edited by Citizen's Nephew; 30-06-22 at 18:14. Reason: Double posted
Can’t it be both?
Immigration is an issue and to brush it aside as xenophobia is as bad as the people who says it’s the route issue of everything.
What the debate needs to be is how is best to allow these migrants to contribute and how do we put the infrastructure in place
Which is beautiful, and noble and reasonable. The problem is, that's not what our own government does nor the MSM. The right-wing media and our rightwing government demonises (disabled, migrants, asylum seekers, even f*cking lawyers!) so it has to be vigorously challenged until we can treat this issue maturely. It's naive to think that there isn't racism and xenophobia going on. In fact, just blanket it as discrimination.
You like immigrants but you want to meet women and children rather than the fit young lads of fighting age. Have you thought this post through?
It doesn't matter where it comes from, it raises an important question, how are we going to improve services and get you in a position to buy your own house if the population keeps rising at 6.6% per year?
Let’s at least get the question right, it was 6.6% over 10 years.
You’re calling people hysterical then suggesting it’s immigrants fault that houses are too expensive here. Bit mad that tbhI've just come back in from work and some of these replies are hysterical, talk about an overreaction I think some of you were crying when you replied, get a grip and grow some.
I read it and the bit that jumped out to me is “Between 2011 and 2021, the population of England and Wales grew by a staggering 3.5 million, or about 6.6 per cent.”
As someone correctly pointed out it is due to immigration but also births outstripping deaths, but regardless it explains some of the posts we’ve seen the last few weeks, like I can’t get a doctor, dentist, ambulance, looked after in A&E, a hospital bed a policeman to call after a burglary, buy a house.
We have a problem the population of the UK and many other countries is growing at a significantly faster pace than all our important service providers.
I was expecting to see a sensible discussion about this and how it can be dealt with going forward and how immigration can bring positive benefits such as targeting doctors overseas etc.
Still I suppose it does show who just have one agenda and won’t look at any article and give a measured sensible response.
No doubt I'll come back next time to 30 replies screaming it's all Boris's fault, don't let me down
The reason you can’t get any of that stuff is because of under investment in public services and austerity and stories like this are then used to make people keep voting for the same people who don’t invest in them.I've just come back in from work and some of these replies are hysterical, talk about an overreaction I think some of you were crying when you replied, get a grip and grow some.
I read it and the bit that jumped out to me is “Between 2011 and 2021, the population of England and Wales grew by a staggering 3.5 million, or about 6.6 per cent.”
As someone correctly pointed out it is due to immigration but also births outstripping deaths, but regardless it explains some of the posts we’ve seen the last few weeks, like I can’t get a doctor, dentist, ambulance, looked after in A&E, a hospital bed a policeman to call after a burglary, buy a house.
We have a problem the population of the UK and many other countries is growing at a significantly faster pace than all our important service providers.
I was expecting to see a sensible discussion about this and how it can be dealt with going forward and how immigration can bring positive benefits such as targeting doctors overseas etc.
Still I suppose it does show who just have one agenda and won’t look at any article and give a measured sensible response.
No doubt I'll come back next time to 30 replies screaming it's all Boris's fault, don't let me down
Well done on falling for it hook line and sinker.
All the videos I have seen show young men, where are all the woman and children?
What videos are you talking about?? This thread is about the people who the UK has allowed into the country over the years not asylum seekers. Try #tommy if you are looking for a kindred spirit!
The picture in the OP showing young men on a dinghy, plus countless other video showing the same thing.
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