Nantes will argue Cardiff got the player in the Sala case. Indeed, Cardiff announced to the world they’d got the player on their own website.Originally Posted by Ninja
Anyway, this is a daft line of discussion, so I’ll leave it there.
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Nantes will argue Cardiff got the player in the Sala case. Indeed, Cardiff announced to the world they’d got the player on their own website.
Anyway, this is a daft line of discussion, so I’ll leave it there.
We didn't as the paperwork wasn't completed correctly, tough on Nantes but they shouldn't have used an agent that thinks flying over rough Sea, at night in a storm in the middle of Winter, with a pilot not qualified to fly commercial passengers, who hasn’t flown at night before in a tiny falling apart plane is just like booking a taxi!
I see what you are trying to say, it's not fair on either losing side, but thats life, either we owned him or they did
Why?
Nantes agreed to sell, and in their mind have sold, an asset worth £15m. They no longer have that asset and haven't received £15m either.
Cardiff are claiming that the asset never belonged to them, so in their minds shouldn't pay anything.
Can't see how there is any middle ground.
It's not daft but there's little point in disputing it as neither of us know all the facts.
To suggest it should be that black and white as some have suggested just seems foolish to me.
Life is not always that black and white, that's why organisations such as CAS exist, to resolve disputes, and especially unusual ones such as this.
This is a highly unusual set of circumstances given that Sala never got a foot on the pitch for us and losing a player mid-transfer like this is almost unheard of.
Nantes will rightfully be pissed if they get nothing as they lost a player.
Cardiff will rightfully be pissed if they have to pay £15mil for a player that never got to even train with them, let alone start a match.
We'll have to wait and see what the outcome is.
The arguments and refusal to pay/accept responsibility is not the fault of Dalman or Tan personally, it is the insurance companies.
If they think there is good reason not to pay they won't pay until they have dragged every single possible argument through the courts.
even if the CAS finds against City there is still the possibility that the insurance company will refuse to pay because of a different interpretation of this or that or whatever.
If City had accepted liability before the CAS the insurance company may have said they were in breach of their contract with them and still not pay.
Whatever city are doing will be on the advice of their lawyers and the insurance company's lawyers. you don't pay for that kind of advice and then ignore it.
That’s dependent on any insurance being in place and covering this scenario. Is that even confirmed by the club?
Even then, clubs or clubs insurance companies will sue the insurers of the Agents and the Plane owners insurers, it will be still going on in decades time.
It would be very interesting to know whether the insurance had gone through.
For high profile clients insurance takes time and is usually subject to medical results. He had his medical results 18th Jan and they probably would have been rushed through to the insurer. However, I'm not sure whether they'd have required a signature from him etc and whether they'd have gotten one in order to validate any insurance before that flight.
The process for adding a player to a club's group life insurance would just be to tell the broker to add him and at what value, then for the broker to tell the insurer to do the same. No medical info or signatures would usually be needed.
However, I think there's a fair chance one or both of those things didn't happen, the "signing" happening on a Saturday afternoon. There may be a clause giving temporary cover for new signings before they're officially added, but if there is it would have a much lower limit of cover than Sala's value.
I believe Cardiff sacked their broker not long after the accident. Read into that what you want.
I am guessing here but Cardiff must think they have a fairly good chance of winning the CAS hearing , otherwise wouldn’t they have just come to some amicable arrangement with FC Nantes ?
They must have spent about %15 of the transfer fee in legal fees so far .
Forgive me if i am way off the mark here. But was the transfer fee not agreed at an initial 5 million payment and then additional payments after x amount of games played, bringing the total transfer fee up to 15million cap? As much as this is a serious tragic event and it pains to see all the haggling and arguments, but as the player is deceased, the latter part of the contract (games played) cannot be realised/completed.
Spedger
I understood it to be £15m (although a Euros figure) to be paid in three annual instalments - not £5m with another £10m based on 'add on' factors like appearances.
As others have said Emiliano Sala's registration had either been transferred to Cardiff or was still held by Nantes at the time of his death. That will be a matter of legal fact determined by CAS or a civil court. The insurers will be driving the legal process. If it is determined that Sala was a Cardiff player there will probably be series of new cases to follow - to claim compensation from those (or their insurers) who arranged the flight.
Genuine question….. would the full fee still be payable if we went into admin ? I’m sure Derby had to pay out all remaining transfers fees in full regardless of administration
Administration is an option that no right thinking fan would wish on the club and I do not believe Vincent Tan would wish it either and would do everything to avoid it.
Remember as well that the club has already made provision in the accounts for over £21m should the Sala case be lost so it would impact on cash but not on profits and would be unlikely to cause a Profitability and Sustainability problem with EFL.
In answer to your question though, yes transfer fees would have to be paid in full as football rules require all football debts to be treated with "super priority" ahead of all other creditors and a club can`t come out of Administration with complying with that.
IIRC fee was £15m/€17m
The agreed fee was £15m payable, just like many transfers, in installments. I'm pretty certain that none of it was tied to appearances. The £5m we were told to pay was just the first installment.
Administration isn't bankruptcy so they would still have to pay, but they may have been able to renegotiate payment terms with creditors.
I think they must do.
Just noticed that part 3 is now available on iPlayer
Has anyone mentioned the taxi scenario yet?
Only looked at the first page with some wild opinions on how transfers work
Just listened to the latest podcast , Sala was on €48,000 per month at FC Nantes , Cardiff we’re going to pay him £50,000 per week.
Have listened to first 3. Nothing new really, but bit eerie to hear voice notes from Sala.
He definitely wasn’t all that keen on coming really, seemed to love his life in France.
Not sure where they’re going to go with the remaining episodes, feels pretty covered.
It's just a really hard listen.
It's crazy to think that Henderson could be out of prison this month while many are obviously still mourning this boy.
The lad should never have been on that plane, although I appreciate that's stating the fvcking obvious.
I can't understand how Ibbotson took the risk in the first place, at the airport he must have seen the weather, he knew on the way to France the plane was making a warning noise and that there was a large bang, and that he was rusty on how to land that type of plane?
Why did he risk his life he was a 59 year old man, by that age you have life experience, you just ring Henderson and say I’m not getting in that thing, send someone to have it checked over, i'm get an easy jet flight home.
Then I also can't understand why Emiliano got on the plane, why didn't he just ring Warnock or his team and say they've sent a death trap, I’ll be home a day late I have to take the flight from Paris?
They were both reckless it was so unnecessary, it doesn't make sense at all, I’ve heard Ibbotson was skint, but you shouldn't risk your life for a few quid?
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