20mph online petition

[JamesWales]

It'll hit 300,000 today. Likely becoming something more than just about 20mph stuff now, a bit like the Ulez in London. A general pushback against WG politicians now it seems.

[The Bloop]

Whilst I'm broadly in favour of the new limit, the process of implementation has been arse over tit. Rather than an imposition and a late amendment to allow councils to apply for exemptions, it could easily have been the reverse, which I think people would be much more accepting of.
If they given councils powers to install 20 limits in certain areas, subject to local consultation, there would be much more engagement and overall acceptance, whilst maintaining more 30 limits on more arterial routes.
They haven't though, which could be damaging to them at the ballot box.
Maybe though, it will encourage more people to read manifestos before choosing who to vote for.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Whilst I'm broadly in favour of the new limit, the process of implementation has been arse over tit. Rather than an imposition and a late amendment to allow councils to apply for exemptions, it could easily have been the reverse, which I think people would be much more accepting of.
If they given councils powers to install 20 limits in certain areas, subject to local consultation, there would be much more engagement and overall acceptance, whilst maintaining more 30 limits on more arterial routes.
They haven't though, which could be damaging to them at the ballot box.
Maybe though, it will encourage more people to read manifestos before choosing who to vote for.

Yes of course no one is against 20mph in small residential streets or outside schools, 20 is way too fast sometimes, but going down thornhill road it's pathetic and completely unnecessary. They deserve a massive backlash or where does it end, 20mph on motorways, you can't travel more than five miles again?

[Rjk]

Yes of course no one is against 20mph in small residential streets or outside schools, 20 is way too fast sometimes, but going down thornhill road it's pathetic and completely unnecessary. They deserve a massive backlash or where does it end, 20mph on motorways, you can't travel more than five miles again?

nobody is proposing 20mph on motorways you mentalist

[Father Dougal]

That is going to happen, there will be a political backlash, I'm not saying it will change the landscape because Wales will always vote labour in but some will lose seats and majorities will reduce, and maybe Plaid will be the man benefactor, they should definitely say they will change it back in their manifesto.

Policiticians can't win sometimes.

The 20mph was in the labour manifesto. Clearly.

Welsh Labour won. They proposed it in the senedd. It was debated. It was passed.

Politicians in actually doing what they said they would shocker.

[North Cardiff Blue]

nobody is proposing 20mph on motorways you mentalist

But why not the argument is simply that fewer people die in accidents at 20mph.

It makes no sense to change road speeds for that reason, yet they've just done it?

If they get away with this it will be let's think of the next stupidest thing we can and implement it, we can do what we want.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Policiticians can't win sometimes.

The 20mph was in the labour manifesto. Clearly.

Welsh Labour won. They proposed it in the senedd. It was debated. It was passed.

Politicians in actually doing what they said they would shocker.

Labour voters didn't read the manifesto obviously, I've heard loads now saying they will never vote for them again because of this.

[Rjk]

But why not the argument is simply that fewer people die in accidents at 20mph.

It makes no sense to change road speeds for that reason, yet they've just done it?

If they get away with this it will be let's think of the next stupidest thing we can and implement it, we can do what we want.

the road speeds theyve implemented give a lot of positives for very little negative impact.
journey times are hardly affected at all.
changing the motorways to 20mph would have a massive negative impact, other than through the Bryn glas tunnels where it is a slight improvement

[pipster]

the road speeds theyve implemented give a lot of positives for very little negative impact.
journey times are hardly affected at all.
changing the motorways to 20mph would have a massive negative impact, other than through the Bryn glas tunnels where it is a slight improvement

What is the negative impact then in your opinion ?

[splott parker]

It doesn't bother you yes and previously you've said the same, now you're saying they should change some back, so back peddling once you finally realise it's nonsense and you are virtually on your own backing Dripy's crackpot idea.

With an added bit of deflection then, we can all see through that

It doesn’t bother me and I’ve not supported it or reneged against it, perhaps you should read back through my posts. My amusement has been the way people like you have pompously reacted. Not once did I say it was nonsense, I said it should be reviewed and rejigged. But if it is you’ll get on your high horse over something else then. Your childish name calling of Drakeford and sycophantic love in with your ‘Boris’ is a bit cringeworthy

[Rjk]

What is the negative impact then in your opinion ?

1 or 2 minutes added to journeys

[superfeathers]

But why not the argument is simply that fewer people die in accidents at 20mph.

It makes no sense to change road speeds for that reason, yet they've just done it?

If they get away with this it will be let's think of the next stupidest thing we can and implement it, we can do what we want.

yes if 20mph was implemented on the m4 there would be less cars crashing into the trains
stop the lockdowns

[nomad blue]

It'll hit 300,000 today. Likely becoming something more than just about 20mph stuff now, a bit like the Ulez in London. A general pushback against WG politicians now it seems.

Or just the same people, and gammons/15 minute city conspiracists/people from outside Wales, adding multiple entries?

And is ULEZ much if a thing now the right wing media and tories aren't pushing it due to a by-election?

[The Bloop]

Or just the same people, and gammons/15 minute city conspiracists/people from outside Wales, adding multiple entries?

And is ULEZ much if a thing now the right wing media and tories aren't pushing it due to a by-election?

ULEZ will disappear in a few years time as it will become a loss making exercise. Fewer and fewer vehicles will be subject to the charge as older vehicles are gradually replaced with those which are exempt.

[lardy]

yes if 20mph was implemented on the m4 there would be less cars crashing into the trains
stop the lockdowns

WHY DON'T THEY JUST KILL US AT BIRTH

[Rjk]

ULEZ will disappear in a few years time as it will become a loss making exercise. Fewer and fewer vehicles will be subject to the charge as older vehicles are gradually replaced with those which are exempt.

isnt that the point?

[North Cardiff Blue]

It'll hit 300,000 today. Likely becoming something more than just about 20mph stuff now, a bit like the Ulez in London. A general pushback against WG politicians now it seems.

New petition to sign - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/643987

3629 votes in a few hours

Petition
Hold a referendum on ending devolution in Wales
Hold a referendum on Welsh Devolution and whether the people want the Welsh Senedd to be abolished.

More details
The establishment of the Welsh Senedd, as an additional layer of government in Wales, was intended to empower the Welsh people and provide them with more control over their own affairs.

We believe the recent controversial implementation of a blanket 20mph speed limit across restricted roads in Wales has shown that the current Welsh Government are not representing the democratic rights of the Welsh people, by ignoring calls for a cease once the estimated economic impact came to light.

[North Cardiff Blue]

isnt that the point?

It won't happen they will move the goal posts, 2020 cars will be required to pay in the future to keep the cameras and pay the stealth tax, it will just keep rolling.

[BLUETIT]

ULEZ will disappear in a few years time as it will become a loss making exercise. Fewer and fewer vehicles will be subject to the charge as older vehicles are gradually replaced with those which are exempt.

They’ll just increase the readings, as they have done 3 times with coaches !

Lots of coaches are now subject to incredible charges to enter London, they just keep on moving the goalposts

[Rjk]

New petition to sign - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/643987

3629 votes in a few hours

Petition
Hold a referendum on ending devolution in Wales
Hold a referendum on Welsh Devolution and whether the people want the Welsh Senedd to be abolished.

More details
The establishment of the Welsh Senedd, as an additional layer of government in Wales, was intended to empower the Welsh people and provide them with more control over their own affairs.

We believe the recent controversial implementation of a blanket 20mph speed limit across restricted roads in Wales has shown that the current Welsh Government are not representing the democratic rights of the Welsh people, by ignoring calls for a cease once the estimated economic impact came to light.

the economic impact estimation is extremely flimsy. it considers the case over 30 years for a start - who knows what our driving behaviours will be like in 30 years time?
anyone here that was working in 1993, did you expect you'd see working from home en mass and zoom calls etc?
not wearing a tie in the office seemed outlandishly fanciful only a few years ago

[North Cardiff Blue]

the economic impact estimation is extremely flimsy. it considers the case over 30 years for a start - who knows what our driving behaviours will be like in 30 years time?
anyone here that was working in 1993, did you expect you'd see working from home en mass and zoom calls etc?
not wearing a tie in the office seemed outlandishly fanciful only a few years ago

Just sign it we need Drippy gone.

Boris has gone, Sturgeon has gone, he needs to, and you can't trust any of the rest of them in the Sennedd either if they voted that through.

[superfeathers]

Just sign it we need Drippy gone.

I know you don't know the difference between cars and trains.
I feel it might be too much of a stretch then to try and explain the difference between Mark Drakeford as a single politician and the senedd/welsh assembly as an entity.

But it's the equivalent of me saying I want the UK government to be eradicated because Boris Johnson.

I don't know if you're on a wind up and your posts are a massive wooosh for me and if that's the case, hats off to you

[North Cardiff Blue]

It doesn’t bother me and I’ve not supported it or reneged against it, perhaps you should read back through my posts. My amusement has been the way people like you have pompously reacted. Not once did I say it was nonsense, I said it should be reviewed and rejigged. But if it is you’ll get on your high horse over something else then. Your childish name calling of Drakeford and sycophantic love in with your ‘Boris’ is a bit cringeworthy

"I said it should be reviewed and rejigged" = Back pedal

Well done you got there

It's nonsense you know it, I know it!

[HiVis]

I've just read the actual petition, and it has to be the most poorly written load of nonsense I've ever seen on there, it reads like something from the Wales online comments section, with random BLOCK CAPITALS and somehow stating that this is the end of socialism in Wales.
I'm actually embarrassed for anyone associated with this.

the irony meter is off the charts with this one

[Rjk]

the irony meter is off the charts with this one

have you read the actual petition?