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I'd prefer Hugill too and was disappointed when he joined Rotherham but playing up front for Cardiff City has been a thankless task for a number of seasons now. If a ball does go anywhere near a forward, which is a rarity, it's almost always a fight ball which is what Hugill can do far better than Etete. Regarding Etete and chances as he gets scraps I'm not surprised he snatches at them.Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
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before the subs Vs after the subs
Exactly my point.
We need to find another striker of Moore’s ability which is very hard to do I know.
But just pretending that Etete is it or will become it over time and blaming the manager/tactics/everything/body else in the meantime is just naive.
The comments about Hugill are interesting though. He is certainly no world beater but it felt as though he made a significantly bigger contribution in most games than Etete does currently.
Don’t know what the Watford commentators had been told about Etete, at the start of the game they commented that the Watford defence would be in for a tough old time, being aggressively bullied by the unit that was Etete.(or words to that effect). Trades Descriptions could have taken them to the cleaners.
Huggill was a right handful when he was at Preston and, although it turned out that he didn’t quite make it in the Premier League, he had a multi million pound move to West Ham and was much sought after by Championship clubs when he was loaned out. However, when he was Etete’s age he was playing for Gateshead after being rejected by Port Vale - to write Etete off on the basis of him being stuck up front by himself as a 21/22 year old seems a bit premature to me.
Hugill was twenty nine when he was here and scored four times in nineteen appearances in all competitions, this season he’s scored three in thirty two matches, albeit for a bottom of the table team. Etete has scored five times in all competitions this season in twenty six games - not great, but not too different a scoring rate to what Hugill achieved here in 2022.
It's interesting that many wanted Hugill to stay, but he's done nothing of note since leaving us to suggest we would have been better off if we could have got him back.
Bob, It's a bit general to say that etete isn't doing what he should do because of the way we play, it's vague, it sort of exonerates him from responsibility. Of course, the players around him are important, and the tactics employed. A goalkeeper can shift 5 goals and still have a good game, but we can say why the keeper has had a good game, we can separate the things that the keeper has no influence over due to poor play and tactics, but still acknowledge his ability and potential by the good things he does. So, a question for you. What does Etete do well? He rarely scores, so what else are you seeing that gives you some hope-Touch, intelligence, movement, ability to bring other players into a game? or are you just sticking up for him based on our tactics and style of play, without any real evidence of his natural ability that could one day pay off.
It's all well and good to make comparisons with other players, but we need to see something as well in order for us as supporters to think that he has got a chance at this level. He works very hard and he's brave, he doedn't hide and he possesses a great attitude. After that i can't really see anything ability wise that stands out and make me think that he's got something for us to hold on to until he gets abit more experienced and there's a tactical change. Over to you
Good question.Bob, It's a bit general to say that etete isn't doing what he should do because of the way we play, it's vague, it sort of exonerates him from responsibility. Of course, the players around him are important, and the tactics employed. A goalkeeper can shift 5 goals and still have a good game, but we can say why the keeper has had a good game, we can separate the things that the keeper has no influence over due to poor play and tactics, but still acknowledge his ability and potential by the good things he does. So, a question for you. What does Etete do well? He rarely scores, so what else are you seeing that gives you some hope-Touch, intelligence, movement, ability to bring other players into a game? or are you just sticking up for him based on our tactics and style of play, without any real evidence of his natural ability that could one day pay off.
It's all well and good to make comparisons with other players, but we need to see something as well in order for us as supporters to think that he has got a chance at this level. He works very hard and he's brave, he doedn't hide and he possesses a great attitude. After that i can't really see anything ability wise that stands out and make me think that he's got something for us to hold on to until he gets abit more experienced and there's a tactical change. Over to you
Out of interest, did you identify clear qualities in Glatzel when he was here? He’s scored 13 and got 5 assists in 20 games in another good season with Hamburg. Did you see that coming when he left us?
I was willing Glatzel to do well and i never really got in on criticising him. He was a better player than Etete, but if i'm being honest, i couldn't see that much in Glatzels game that got me enthused. So, back to you, that's a great question, and it sort of adds a bit of weight towards bob's argument. Good Work
I did yeah . I thought he was quite a silky footballer being asked to play smash and grab football. And he was a bit unlucky.
I thought Ette was very good at prancing ,not so good at football. perhaps he will develop, unusual to see him developing at this level.
I think it's fair to use the way we play as a reason to defend many striker who have played for us in the recent past. I did say that other than Kieffer Moore, no striker has prospered at City since maybe Kewynne Jones, but, on second thoughts. if the criteria of judging how good or bad a striker is comes down to how many goals they score, then Sory Kaba could be included as well - there can also be a direct comparison between Etete and Kaba because they were at the club a the same time and I'd say Kaba wins that one.Bob, It's a bit general to say that etete isn't doing what he should do because of the way we play, it's vague, it sort of exonerates him from responsibility. Of course, the players around him are important, and the tactics employed. A goalkeeper can shift 5 goals and still have a good game, but we can say why the keeper has had a good game, we can separate the things that the keeper has no influence over due to poor play and tactics, but still acknowledge his ability and potential by the good things he does. So, a question for you. What does Etete do well? He rarely scores, so what else are you seeing that gives you some hope-Touch, intelligence, movement, ability to bring other players into a game? or are you just sticking up for him based on our tactics and style of play, without any real evidence of his natural ability that could one day pay off.
It's all well and good to make comparisons with other players, but we need to see something as well in order for us as supporters to think that he has got a chance at this level. He works very hard and he's brave, he doedn't hide and he possesses a great attitude. After that i can't really see anything ability wise that stands out and make me think that he's got something for us to hold on to until he gets abit more experienced and there's a tactical change. Over to you
However, we have seen experienced and, in some cases, proven strikers struggle to make an impact with us. Looking back, I'd say Etete is in line that includes Glatzel, Harris, Watters, Collins, Ikpeazu, Hugill, Wickham, Meite and Ugbo from recent seasons as strikers who found it hard to make an impact at Cardiff.
Someone like Wickham was a quality player in his day and was over the top by the time he came here, but the rest of them were older than Etete and of an age where they could not be said to have been on the brink of retirement. I'd also say that, for as long as I can remember, City have insisted on playing with a "big guy up front", a traditional target man who will battle for high balls knocked up to him. All of the players I've listed, plus Etete, have played as a target man for us even though it's not a role they're best suited for - I'd put Glatzel, Harris, Watters, Meite and Etete in that category.
Although, there a clear differences between them, I see some similarities between Etete and Kenneth Zohore in that they're big blokes up front who are far happier to have balls played into their feet rather than their heads because neither of them are very good at heading the ball. It's not a coincidence that Etete's most effective piece of target man play on Saturday came when the ball was played into his feet and he set up Colwill for a shot which didn't miss by that much, I think Etete has shown when he's more confident that he probably is now that he has quick feet for someone of his size and, for me, this is a skill of his that City have failed to utilise as we continue to treat him as someone who is going to win a lot of headers.
Etete was poor in pre season games and that carried into the first week or two of the season, but it's a fact that he'd scored five in his first ten appearances (six of them were as a sub), before he picked up a hamstring injury which kept him out for almost a month. He's not scored since then and his confidence in front of goal is suffering s he's snatching at chances and making wrong decisions, but I'd say his goals at Watford last season and against Coventry and Blackburn (in the League Cup) this time around show that he can be a good finisher.
It's not Etete's fault that we've spent the first half of the season without a quality Championship level striker and i would appear in recent weeks that Bulut has settled on him as the most reliable of the three strikers we had during that time. Diedhiou will surely become first choice once he's settled in and that may benefit Etete who will be coming on in the last half hour of games.
For me it’s the lack of ‘dog’ in his game, the lack of aggression. That’s not an age thing though and perhaps it can’t be taught, it’s just an individual’s temperament. Prior to the game the Watford commentators were saying their defenders were in for a torrid afternoon against Etete, don’t know where that info came from, he’s a centre back’s dream opponent. A few coaching sessions with Heider Helgusson would teach him a thing or two, if only.
Saying all that though, I did think his performance at Vicarage Rd was one of his better ones. Didn’t have a lot to surpass mind but let’s hope the penny drops for him and he realises that he needs to step up considerably to carry on at this level.
surprisingly spot on
Atleast one person gets it on here
Good post bob, and well argued. I would say though that it is very loaded Towards Etete, and apart from you saying that he has quick feet, there's not that much to say that he possesses aspects to his game that we can look at in terms of developing. I don't rate his movement, i don't think that he is clever and i can't see much awareness with or without the ball. He can play a bit, and he can show up on occasion with some great bits of skill, But he has to play the hand he has been dealt and make the most of it, because it's unlikely that he'll get many chances at this level.
What to look for then? If things aren't going his way then play clever, be strong, draw fouls, disrupt the opposition. He could drop in and act as an extra midfield player and spin off, he doesn't do any of that stuff really (although the last one could be down to bulut) He stands up front and he doesn't use his height and range (Forget strength) to impose himself on the opposition. He really needs to evaluate what type of player he wants to be or what he can do when he's out there in order to affect the game positively.
He does have some natural ability, and i like his honesty and the fact that he doesn't sulk when he is isolated. He does have to offer more though, and that's for him to work out while he's on the pitch. I believe that people put a bit to much emphasis on the influence of coaches and managers. When players are out there, they can make the small adjustments that can make the difference,
Bit of an overreaction that… I like Mark Harris but he’s got 8 goals in 27 games in league one this season. There’s no way Etete is less physical or a worse player, he’ll be fine dropping down a level.
The EFL 'Team Of The Week' features Jak Alnwick..... and super sub Kieffer Moore!
Good to see two of our players get in
Kion has a footballer in him somewhere, he must do, I cant see Spurs giving a player 2 X 2 year contracts, they must have seen something
for me, he is too weak on and off the ball, would a spell in L2 or the National league do him good, yes it would, it mist give him some drive and determination
Myself and my daughter were talking about him on Saturday, Bath City have just signed James Alabi, Now he is a lower league ( on occasion ) and National League CF, looks like a handful ( though didnt see much of that on Saturday ) my daughter said I wonder if Etete would look good at this level ( Nat league South ) she didnt think he would as he doesnt have the strength both on and off the ball, its a fair call, I argued the above that he must have something to get 2 contracts with Spurs
He has a pretty poor record in League 2
Etete played just over 1200 minutes at league 2 level as a teenager, and scored 3 goals and got one assist - that isn't bad at all
Then in league one got 3 goals and 3 assists from 942 minutes of football which is pretty good, but a small sample size
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