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Thread: Washington Air Disaster

  1. #126

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Bob, All Jim is saying is 'That there may be a bit of truth in what Trump has said' Not that outlandish, a casual throwaway observation, the sort of thing we say to each other every day without really listening. Except that isn't what he has said at all really, i know that and so does everyone else, And he's had about 20 hits at it. He's gold is jim, i can't get wound up by him anymore, he makes me laugh.
    I quite like the conclusion that its me that was wound up 🤣!

  2. #127

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    Jim, can you tell us what you're saying again, just so that i can be sure this time......
    Stop flirting with me now! 😘

  3. #128

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    I quite like the conclusion that its me that was wound up ��!
    I've only seen you wound up on a couple of occasions, although i think that you were pissed to be honest as you were getting all melancholy, I think it had been a busy weekend for illegal crossings in the English channel or something like that, you were pretty distraught from memory. Although in fairness, you don't get that angry really, you smash that drum of yours, but you do keep it in order. Nice day today jim, those ducks wont feed themselves........

  4. #129

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuerto View Post
    I've only seen you wound up on a couple of occasions, although i think that you were pissed to be honest as you were getting all melancholy, I think it had been a busy weekend for illegal crossings in the English channel or something like that, you were pretty distraught from memory. Although in fairness, you don't get that angry really, you smash that drum of yours, but you do keep it in order. Nice day today jim, those ducks wont feed themselves........
    Sometimes you need a drum when people have fingers in their ears ;).

    Anyway, I am not meeting you by the duck pond at 2pm today after the misunderstanding last time so don't try to suggest that please.

  5. #130

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    a relatively small group of people
    Whereas your group of people (one) is a touch smaller…..you’re like the bloke who’s banned from ten pubs…. We’ve got a fair idea that it’s not the landlords’ faults. Mike Morris should put a 25% tariff on you

  6. #131

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Sometimes you need a drum when people have fingers in their ears ;).

    Anyway, I am not meeting you by the duck pond at 2pm today after the misunderstanding last time so don't try to suggest that please.
    I remember now, you got angry when I pointed out that there were 20 different species of wading bird in the lake that we visited, "way to much Diversity for a Sunday afternoon stroll 😂👍 Have a good day Jim.

  7. #132

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    Quote Originally Posted by splott parker View Post
    Trump blames diversity rules under his predecessors, saying they hired air traffic controllers who weren’t always qualified ………but offers no evidence of this. The man is an utter c*nt, attempting to point score at such a time.
    Trump's uncalled for comment shows a complete lack of understanding of Air Traffic Control recruitment. Everyone no matter what gender, race or disability has to pass the same training and rigourous testing. The policy Trump clearly doesn't understand don't lower the bar to entry.

  8. #133

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    Right so I am supposed to read his mind, I am supposed to ignore what he wrote in the written language I have known for nearly 40 years, I am supposed to take your and his rants over the NY times, Fox News, NY Post, Simple flying aviation website, AOL articles?

    I then have to ignore the fact there is a shortage of air traffic controllers. I have to ignore the fact there is a current legal case ongoing and I have to ignore the fact that the FAA's policies seemingly turned down qualified applicants based on race?

    And if we do all that then we still have to believe your position that you have put forward with zero evidence whatsoever?

    I mean, you are asking a lot here Bob! The reality is, that there may be something in what was said, however prematurely and crassly it was done. You may need to wrench open that closed mind just a tiny bit to accept it though.
    You're conflating two different issues though. Trump's comments were that there was a lack of 'common sense' by air traffic control and that this was due to diversity (the argument being that minorities have a lower IQ). This is the disgraceful part of it.
    The shortage of staff you mention is a historic problem going back to the 80s, not helped by government shutdowns and the pandemic. No-one could argue that if a recruitment programme lead to a staff shortage it has failed but a) it might be a little bit more complicated than 'its all too woke', and b) if Trump actually cared about this ,why not just fix that scheme rather than ban all diversity hiring schemes across the entire government? I'd suggest there is another agenda at play there and it's not a nice one.

  9. #134

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    Quote Originally Posted by caerkid View Post
    You're conflating two different issues though. Trump's comments were that there was a lack of 'common sense' by air traffic control and that this was due to diversity (the argument being that minorities have a lower IQ). This is the disgraceful part of it.
    The shortage of staff you mention is a historic problem going back to the 80s, not helped by government shutdowns and the pandemic. No-one could argue that if a recruitment programme lead to a staff shortage it has failed but a) it might be a little bit more complicated than 'its all too woke', and b) if Trump actually cared about this ,why not just fix that scheme rather than ban all diversity hiring schemes across the entire government? I'd suggest there is another agenda at play there and it's not a nice one.
    You can interpret his comments as such if you wish. Some will, those who hate Trump certainly will. I interpret it as linking a staff shortage with policies that turn people down due to their race. We don't really need to speculate on that, the courts will decide.

    I think thats his basis towards pausing all, the DEI stuff and the same is happening in many private sector businesses too, as some very large pay outs based on racist policies may be forthcoming.

    Anyway, I got told off by Bob for posting too much so I shouldn't have replied!

    This seems to be the best summary I can find on it though. Started with a white guy and a native American and is now a class action with 1000 names. It's probably safe to assume none of us were aware of this when Trumps poorly timed crass comments were made.

    https://iclg.com/news/22215-federal-...iversity-hires

    And now I am off to feed the ducks with Tuerto.

  10. #135

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    You can interpret his comments as such if you wish. Some will, those who hate Trump certainly will. I interpret it as linking a staff shortage with policies that turn people down due to their race. We don't really need to speculate on that, the courts will decide.
    I'm not the one overreaching with my interpretation :

    "The FAA's diversity push includes focus on hiring people with severe intellectual and psychiatric disabilities. That is amazing. And then it says, FAA says, people with severe disabilities are most underrepresented segment of the workforce and they want them in and they want them . They can be air traffic controllers. I don't think so. This was in January 14th, so that was a week before I entered office. They put a big push to put diversity into the FAA's program,"
    When asked how he had drawn this conclusion, Trump replied: "Because I have common sense. OK? And unfortunately, a lot of people don't. We want brilliant people doing this. This is a major chess game at the highest level. When you have 60 planes coming in during a short period of time, and they're all coming in different directions, and you're dealing with very high-level computer, computer work and very complex computers."

    No mention of staff shortages in his comments but I guess you know him best.

  11. #136

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    Quote Originally Posted by PontBlue View Post
    Trump's uncalled for comment shows a complete lack of understanding of Air Traffic Control recruitment. Everyone no matter what gender, race or disability has to pass the same training and rigourous testing. The policy Trump clearly doesn't understand don't lower the bar to entry.
    I was going to post something like this myself. Biden could have issued a decree that every single air traffic controller is diverse, and they'd all still be 100% qualified to do that job because the ones that ended up in the position would have had to pass exactly the same rigorous tests and training as all those that had gone before them.

    DEI programmes aren't in place to give unqualified DEI hires jobs over qualified non DEI people, they're in place because for decades qualified DEI people weren't given the same opportunities to get certain jobs as qualified (or actually let's be honest, less qualified) DEI people

  12. #137

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    [QUOTE=JamesWales;5569852]You can interpret his comments as such if you wish. Some will, those who hate Trump certainly will. I interpret it as linking a staff shortage with policies that turn people down due to their race. We don't really need to speculate on that, the courts will decide./QUOTE]

    If i call you a BS artist then you can interpret that comment as such if you wish, but i did call you a BS artist there is no interpretation needed.

  13. #138

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesWales View Post
    The point is that there may be some truth in what he has said, and this has been evidenced with various links. For that one gets a barrage of abuse.

    If the thread is only about Trumps personality (upon which there seems to be general agreement) then there already threads on that. If it's about the air disaster then I would say it's fair to look into where there is any substance in what he's said, don't you?

    We just get this all the time on here. For now it's Trump but the reoccurring feature is a barrage of abuse from a relatively small group of people if anyone dare offer a different perspective, even when it's backed up by a decent amount of evidence as in this case.

    May I suggest that if it's just a thread about who hates Trump the most maybe that good be stated at the start of or something, so people who may want to look into it a little bit more can simply not bother? I'm sure that would make some of you happier too!?
    No. That's not the point. You're either missing the point completely or ignoring it. The point is that a man deliberately used a tragic situation to speak about something he's very fond of speaking about and that it is designed to deflect and cause outrage. Something that appeals to the xenophobes he and his staff so calculatedly pander to. If the situation had been something more applicable to blaming immigrants, he would have done so. To blame something as technical and nuanced as a mid-air collision between a military helicopter and a commercial aircraft on DEI without any first-hand knowledge, before any sort of investigation, when there are still unrecovered bodies in the Potomac River and attribute his thoughts to common sense is not only outrageous but completely ridiculous.

  14. #139

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    Another Delta Airlines plane has crashed in Canada.

  15. #140

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Another Delta Airlines plane has crashed in Canada.
    Amazing that everyone got out of that, especially with the fireball.

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