Reply With QuoteJust watched a brief highlights package. Looks like we got lucky with that offside decision in the first half.
Fine header from Meite. The man's obviously a natural goalscorer.
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Riza gets the substitutions right this time even if I groaned when I saw Meite coming on!
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Just watched a brief highlights package. Looks like we got lucky with that offside decision in the first half.
Fine header from Meite. The man's obviously a natural goalscorer.
Broken clock is right twice a day.
If they had anything about them the board would sack him right now. No chance though of course
At the end of the day, I feel we won the match as Valerian Ismael, is almost as inept as Riza. Definitely the worst two managers in the division by a long chalk.
if Risa is more inept than Ismael, then how did we win?Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
Think Riza cocked up at Sunderland and on Tuesday, but did well yesterday -simple as that really. I’d be okay with him taking us into next season if he keeps us up.
yeah same, although I'd like him to be a little less flexible tactically
No offence but this is why the board get away with half their decisions and what I was posting about the other day regarding apathy. Not meant as a personal dig as many are like you but you have been ground down into thinking we’re ok to stumble forwards with a cheap option that has made poor decision after poor decision whilst here and showed his total lack of experience.
I just don’t understand how anyone can be happy with him being in charge come August
If he could net another 3 or 4 this season, stop laughing, it would help. Maybe now he's got one, we might see him go on a goalscoring spree.Just watched a brief highlights package. Looks like we got lucky with that offside decision in the first half.
Fine header from Meite. The man's obviously a natural goalscorer.
I'd be surprised if anyone would be happy if he was still here. If we stay up, he'll have done his job, but I don't see him capable of building anything here.
There’s probably an element of that with me, but I was adamant that Bulut had to go this time last year. If Riza is to keep us up this season, he will need to have something like a fifty per cent record in terms of wins and losses when you consider the situation when Bulut was sacked. If he doesn’t manage that, I’ll be expecting him to leave, but if, say, Schumacher had been appointed in September and he kept us up with something like forty seven points, I’d think there’d be stuff like ‘typical Cardiff” coming from the pundits if we then decided to sack him, I’m not sure why it should be different with Riza.
It’s not just about results though, is it? Although that’s why so many managers who are clearly not very good retain jobs they shouldn’t have - they cobble together a few results, often more by luck than judgement, get retained or given new contracts, and then get sacked the following season when things go tits up.
Bulut was a very clear example of that.
Got stop playing him out wide.
At the end of the season your finishing position is usually a fair reflection of your merit (although I’ll always maintain it wasn’t with City last season). We were consigned to a season long relegation struggle after a worst ever start in our history of one point from a possible eighteen and therefore Riza is somewhat lucky that many people will judge a twenty first place finish as success, but, as I mention , he’ll need to virtually win as many as he loses to finish that high now. This time last year, Bulut had the freedom to experiment a little with youngsters, style of play etc. but Riza doesn’t have that luxury, he’s going to be judged entirely on results.
100% agree. I think one of the reasons Bob thinks he's ok is because he's included more younger players, or players who came through the system.
We win in spite of him in my opinion. A bit like the Russel Slade days. It like the old adage throw enough darts at the bullseye and eventually you will hit one.
He did it again yesterday made a load of changes, changed the formation again, used all his substitutes and thankfully this time it worked. It won’t change my opinions though, we are never going to get any consistency with this guy. He’s winging it and I have no doubt the step forward we took yesterday will be two steps back sooner rather than later.
Thing is, i would like to know what people who want him to stay are seeing, in terms of potential in terms of improvement. I don't think it's enough to say that he'll do, or he's better than the last bloke, and the bloke before that etc. There has to be some method to the thinking.
I think the players we have who can be viewed as game changers tend to be the younger ones, so I’d back anyone who’s willing to include them, but I find us a bit more enjoyable to watch this season compared to other recent ones. Anyway, what im saying is Riza has to go if we get relegated, but I think it’s far from straightforward if we stay up. There aren’t too many out there who’d be obvious improvements on the likes of Riza, Bulut, Lamouchi, Hudson, Morison, McCarthy and Harris who’d come to Cardiff under the current ownership.
we've clearly improved under him, I suppose the question is are we going to improve further, or have we reached the end of this particular cul de sac.
I think there is scope to improve more under Risa - our attack from open play is definitely better - I wouldn't like to go back to some of the games under Bulut where everything was just so laboured and slow, with no bodies getting into the box etc.
on the negative side we have become very fragile defensively, however a lot of the goals we concede seem to be individual errors, players switching off and not tracking a simple straight through ball. it seems entirely possible to me that we could improve this aspect of our game and our set pieces without taking away anything from our attack.
if we manage that we would be looking up the table rather than down.
that said I can perfectly well see the other view point, and if we do decide to go another way then I won't be getting my pitchforks out any time soon
Sorry, but a stretch of 4 wins in 20 games is as big a factor in our struggles as the pathetic start we had.
Riza is not up to it.
Man for man, we had a better 20 man squad yesterday. Also the fans from what I could hear were getting on Valerian Ismael's and the teams back during the 2nd half yesterday.. It seemed to make the players nervous. Plus from what I have been told by an ex work colleague who follows Blackburn the players don't want to play for him. That last part I don't quite believe as he has only been at the club for three matches.
It was 4 wins in 24, so it was even worse, but in the other League games we’ve played under Riza, it’s 5 wins in 8.
Riza’s overall league record is 9 wins, 11 draws and 12 defeats for 38 points from 32 games which would equate to something like 55 points over a 46 game season, not great, but good enough to stay up. It would probably mean we finished in around the place where the bookies and many of the pundits had us finishing in their pre season predictions.
I suppose then it becomes a question as to whether that represents under achievement for the group of players he inherited? There are many who think the squad is much better than its league position suggests, but I’m not so sure of that - I reckon there’s potential for it to improve, but it’s a bottom six squad at the moment.
We can say with certainty that we've improved since the days of Bulut, but these things are relative and depends on high or low you set the bar. For example, if you are of the opinion that Bulut was an awful manager and the bar that he had set was so low that could be used to dig up anthracite, then Riza isn't doing much of a job with a decent squad of players. However, if you think Bulut did ok, then we've got an average squad of players and Riza is doing a fine job.
Performance statistics can be debated for ever and a day.
I won’t argue with the figures you quote, nor the case you are supporting with them.
My point is that Riza cannot be allowed the excuse that Bulut set us up for relegation in those first six matches. He is equally culpable.
I agree completely, if we go down Riza shouldn’t be given something akin to a free pass - he will have failed, there’s no doubt about that.
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