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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Bob, are you sure there was only one for Ole?
I can remember Healy and Tom James coming on against Chelsea and I'm sure he played Barnum-Bobb too.
Is it cos Barnum Bobb and Healy came from other clubs?
Lennie Lawrence =175 games
Dave Jones = 325 games and he only played 10 academy players.
Malky = 125 games
Ole = 30 games
Russell = 79 games
Slade as only been in charge for 3 cup games at Cardiff so not had much chance of playing Academy players.
Last edited by Tandy; 04-04-16 at 15:03.
How many of Malky's came in that one FA cup game he wrote off away at Macclesfield?
How many played more than 1 game?
Yes it is - James was the only Academy product Ole gave a debut to.
It's crazy people are so desperate to find a negative about Slade that disingenuous stats are being presented even by Bob.
I'd love to see more academy products get a chance but players looking good in development matches means not a lot for actual first team matches.
Right, so having that Slade "has done about as much with the youth team as the last 4 managers before him did", you start trying to backtrack when I show that this is just not true.
17 year old Joe Ralls was a pretty regular selection in league games during Malky Mackay's first season here and started in the League Cup Semi Final First Leg at Palace. Ben Nugent was nineteen when he made the first of the fifteen appearances he made for us during our Championship winning season (Mackay's second season) and Declan John was eighteen when given his league debut by Mackay in our first Premier League match - Malky and Ole picked him twenty three times that season between them.
All I'm really interested in doing here is to show that to claim Slade has done as much for youth development at Cardiff as his four predecessors is rubbish.
They aren't disingenuous stats at all - it's you who was being disingenuous when you claimed Slade was as willing to give youth as much of a chance as his four predecessors.
But Joe Ralls was loaned out, Ben Nugent was forced on both due to injury then loaned out and the released.
So you've named 3 youth players under both Malky and Ole, 1 of which was used in an emergency and never again (being honest Nugent was never going to make it) and Ralls who was used out of desperation then loaned out and has made more progress under Slade than both.
What about the other 7 youth team players Malky played? Because imo he threw them to the wolves against Northampton and Macclesfield in the cups and then never bothered with them again.
Declan John being loaned out mistifies me but I still think he was rushed in to the team but to act as if Malky and Ole did much different to slade with the youth team is disingenuous.
DJ is my favourite city manager ever and I'm aware he did bring plenty of youth players through but was still slagged off in exactly the same way slade is now. Strange how things change to fit the narrative of the masses.
He had two months at the back end of last season when we had nothing to play for - none of our previous four managers ever had a season where we were not in relegation trouble or still hoping to go up as we entered March. Russell Slade has had plenty of chances to pick some kids if he was of a mind to do it.Lennie Lawrence =175 games
Dave Jones = 325 games and he only played 10 academy players.
Malky = 125 games
Ole = 30 games
Russell = 79 games
Slade as only been in charge for 3 cup games at Cardiff so not had much chance of playing Academy players.
I've just discovered another problem with this new board - your avatar is hurting my eyes!
That combination of colours was never good but it looks particularly bad here for some reason :sunglasses:
Slade has managed city for 70 games during which time Joe Ralls has flourished and become a much better player than he ever was under Malky and ole.
I'd love to see slade play more academy players but to act like the club was pumping out quality youth players under Malky and ole is disingenuous. Every manager we've had since DJ has underused the academy as do most top level managers.
It's a shame but I imagine it's because 90% of academy products won't make the grade and a few of the 10% will slip through the net due to immense pressures top level managers are under.
Maybe slade didn't want to throw youth players into a toxic atmosphere at the club's lowest ebb?
Maybe not but you don't know the reason any more than I do.
Maybe our youth players just aren't that good?
That wasn't what I said was it ?
I said " " especially if we fluke promotion ".
So even if by some miracle the numpty took us up then I know
he wouldn't keep us up.
That's why.
So if slade gets us promoted it'll have been a fluke!? How do you fluke a 46 game season plus a 2 legged knock out game?
What I find truly strange is that you are still trying to justify a claim you made which I have proved was rubbish - when you said "The man has done a cracking job and has done about as much with the youth team as the last 4 managers before him did" you did not qualify that by saying that any youth players picked by the other four didn't count if they played in Cup matches, were used in "desperation", were later loaned out or were "never going to make it" etc, etc, etc - we cannot have the same discussion about whether any youngsters given a debut by Russell Slade really count or not because it's not happened yet.
Trouble is Slade hasn't got half a mind to do it let alone a whole one.
Our recent form has only arrived because he was forced into it personell wise.
Oh and he picks useless Piggy Malone regardless of the fact the man is a plank.
Are you Chepstow in disguise ? I think you are.
Despite our success Russell still wants you as a fan
I made an exaggerated comment because this isn't really a stick to beat slade with yet. The man has hardly been here 2 seasons ffs and has been under immense pressure the whole time.
And you could almost say he did as much as Malky and Ole as both of them did more or less **** all for the development for any youth players barring Joe Ralls who has improved since slade has been here.
If he's still here in 2 years and the patterns the same it will be a stick to beat him with but it's also one you could beat 90% of top level managers with.
And that's ignoring the fact that our academy is still very much in its infancy compared to the ones top level ones at Spurs, Southampton and man united.
Malone may be a weaker link but calling him useless is very harsh considering he's played the majority of games for a team sitting 7th in the league.
I suppose you're clamouring for Fabio despite him being incapable of defending.
Paul is right .
However Slade has given a few players more game time than the the past two managers, and the main ones that spring to mind are Connolly , Mason and Ralls.
Whether picking the younger players from our development squads would see us in a better position than we are in now , is a very difficult one to judge, in this tough ,uncompromising league.
To be fair, Slade has had chances to play youth players , most notably at the end of last season when we had nothing to play for, and didn't. Choosing instead to have gabbidon on the bench.
Slade is paid to win football matches. The last ten games of last season we won 5 drew 3 and lost 2. He wouldn't of lasted 2 minutes if he'd had thrown a load of Academy players in just to see if they could hack it. To say there was nothing to play for is ludicrous. Them 10 games have built in a winning mentality.
Do you think Slade is some sort of idiot? If the Academy players were better then he would play them.
I wonder if there is heavy politics involved in who plays , and when, because we seeing the same happening with Sammy Ameobi, are we seeing the same , I am sure his bench place could go to Harris or O' Sullivan ??
In DJ tenure-ship we had a man who didn't play Ramsey in a cup final , allow Gunter a regular slot ??
Slade is managing what he can , where he can , when he can , he does not have full control, surly we can see that ?
Hilarious....... You plank!!
You are a hopeless case.
Change your name to king Canute........ You are trying to hold back a tide of support for slade with well..... Quite Ridiculous suggestions. You are in an ever dwindling minority you basket case.
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